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January '24 Buffalo and Rochester trends

Well....haven't done this in a while, so let's have at it. Disclaimer: These are per **************** and radioinsight.com . 12+ only. YMMV.

To Buffalo first: WBLK(Power 93.7) is STILL #1, with a 10.0 overall trend-moving up 1.4 from the last book. At #2, WGRF(97 Rock)declines slightly to a 8.1, down a tenth. WYRK(Country 106.5)saw no change at 7.2 to finish third. WHTT(Classic Hits 104.1)gained half a point to 6.6 and finishes 4th. WTSS(The New 96.1)didn't come down THAT badly from its all-Christmas stint, dropping .6 to 6.3 . Tied for 6th was WGR(SportsRadio 550)and WKSE(Kiss 98.5)at 5.8 .

Over in Rochester, just like Buffalo, WDKX is #1 ,regaining the top spot with a 10.0 . WBEE, which had been the top station in the last trend, drops to #2 and a full point to 9.1 . At #3: WHAM, gaining .3 to 7.0. Pulling into #4 is WCMF/96.5 AND WRMM(Warm 101.3) with a 5.3 . WPXY-FM(98 PXY)locks into #6 with a 4.3.

Comment away.
 
Since this is a rolling 3 month average the Christmas ratings will affect the ratings for at least one more book. Let's see where 96.1 is by May. WHTT and probably WECK seem to be the stations who lost the most share to Jingle Bell rock. WHTT seems to be recovering. WECK, not so much.

WBFO continues to trend upward. WBEN doesn't move much.

Keep in mind that anything in about the .3 share range is within the statistical margin of error and that these are 12+ numbers. Results in different demos are likely to be much different.
 
Here's the link to:

Buffalo-Niagara Falls January 2024 Persons 12+

This is November-December-January. The Star numbers still reflect All Christmas listening and they look rather robust. Aside from WBLK's 1.4 pop, the rest of the top ten looks quite consistent. Remember when we bantered about the midday changes at 97 Rock and the station taking an overall hit. Apparently not. Speaking of, WECK's wobble is a surprise. I thought like WHTT, they'd trend up in January. Oh, and there's 107.7 and 92.9 ... gurgling in mediocrity. But the suits say it's all good, so carry on.
 
Oh, and there's 107.7 and 92.9 ... gurgling in mediocrity. But the suits say it's all good, so carry on.
Those two formats have a long way to go before they get to "Mediocrity". WBUF has one of the strongest FM signals and abysmal ratings. The Wolf has proved that there is no demand for more Cow Pie. 107.7 may soon be available at a Fire Sale price...
 
I think it's pretty evident that Audacy isn't going to be investing much in the Buffalo cluster. It's surprising that Townsquare hasn't done more with 92.9. I guess that they're happy taking profits from WBLK and trying to shore up 96.1 (whatever it's called this week). The formula that works for them is smaller markets just isn't as effective in Buffalo where there's a lot more competition. That's one of the problems with top-down management that doesn't respond well to localized issues.
 
Since this is a rolling 3 month average the Christmas ratings will affect the ratings for at least one more book.
Thanks for mentioning that in Diary Markets we still have 3-month rolling averages! Because Nielsen calls them by the month, more than one person I know thinks that these are just 4-week measurements like the PPM.
 
Thanks for mentioning that in Diary Markets we still have 3-month rolling averages! Because Nielsen calls them by the month, more than one person I know thinks that these are just 4-week measurements like the PPM.
Which is more reliable -- Diary or PPM? Many stations didn't want PPM, but advertisers did. Stations with low ratings will always question the credibility of either system...
 
Equal Opportunity ... here's the link to
Rochester Persons 12+ November-December-January
 
Audacy should have moved Star 102.5 Hot ac format to 107.7. Now they are stuck with a low rated country station that will never be competitive
Yeah, I thought that too, but the compelling argument on this board against that move was the 107.7 signal sucks to such a great degree that it wouldn't have made a difference. The argument was Wolf Country, such as it was (blowing cow farts), remained a better format for the 107.7 signal. In the end, it's really a moot debate ... even for the radio dorks on this board. Mirror.
 
Really? They have three stations in the Top 5. What a terrible job they're doing.
They've essentially got two unchallenged formats in the market and one enjoying a serious Christmas music bonus. WTSS is likely to be out of the Top 5 after one more book even though that's essentially another unchallenged format. In this case, the discussion was about WBUF, one of the biggest signals in the market languishing well under a 2-share, getting consistently beaten by classical and oldies.
 
They've essentially got two unchallenged formats in the market and one enjoying a serious Christmas music bonus

So what? Their management has responded to the local community. People have lots of other choices from things other than the radio, and in these cases, the stations make those other options unnecessary. You can't win with every station you own. In their case it's 3 out of four. That's pretty good.
 
They've essentially got two unchallenged formats in the market and one enjoying a serious Christmas music bonus. WTSS is likely to be out of the Top 5 after one more book even though that's essentially another unchallenged format. In this case, the discussion was about WBUF, one of the biggest signals in the market languishing well under a 2-share, getting consistently beaten by classical and oldies.
96.1 has literally no competition it will be fine
 
Which is more reliable -- Diary or PPM?
Hard comparison. The diary is a random probability sample with single-week participation. The PPM is a panel that mirrors the market and participants can be on the panel for up to months.
Many stations didn't want PPM, but advertisers did.
The main reason we did not want it was because it nearly doubled the cost of ratings. But agencies wanted more immediate data such as what they had in television.
Stations with low ratings will always question the credibility of either system...
That applies to nearly everything: you don't like the color of your living room, so blame the paint brand rather than your poor taste.

And, of course, stations that are #1 never think that Nielsen helped show how good they are... it is always the great station, great staff and great management!
 
I find it amazing that WBFO is within a share point of WBEN. I couldn’t have imagined this “back in the day.“ I wonder if they’re popping champagne bottles at BTPM headquarters downtown! As someone who has criticized the reduction of local news coverage at WBFO, I’ll admit that it might not have been warranted. Give listeners NPR content, and they’ll tune in. A 4.4 share!

WBFO made a big change in its midday lineup in early February. We’ll see if that has any impact on the ratings in future books. Gone is NPR’s 1A. WBFO is now running BBC content at 11am. I happen to be traveling in my car during that hour two to three times a week. I have found the BBC content to be interesting when I’ve tuned in. For me, it‘s more of a draw than the esoteric topics that were often a part of hour two on 1A.

But rather than returning Here and Now to its traditional 12noon starting time, when people are interested in hearing the latest news during their lunch hour, WBFO is running this inane show about words. Most stations relegate this show to weekend afternoons or evenings. But WBFO is running it at 12noon weekdays! I’ve sampled a bit of this show. It’s not what I’m looking at 12noon. Fortunately, Alexa gives me Here and Now from Boston’s WBUR at noon. Again, I’m shaking my head at what WBFO management is thinking.

That said, kudos to management for introducing a new show Friday mornings at 10am. WBFO has launched a show called “Group Chat.” It’s hosted by “The Bridge’s” Tiffany Bentley. I’ve heard two of the first three shows. Bentley is a great host. The guests are local influencers. Very listenable! The topics are primarily about current trends and pop culture. This is clearly intended to attract a younger audience. Yet, this listener in his late 60s finds it quite informative and entertaining.
 
Audacy should have moved Star 102.5 Hot ac format to 107.7. Now they are stuck with a low rated country station that will never be competitive
Said that from the day the sale of 102.5 to EMF was announced. I still can't believe Audacy didn't do it. It was such an obvious move that would have cost next to nothing to implement.
 
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Audacy should have moved Star 102.5 Hot ac format to 107.7. Now they are stuck with a low rated country station that will never be competitive
Said that from the day the sale of 102.5 to EMF was announced. I still can't believe Audacy didn't do it. It was such an obvious move that would have cost next to nothing to implement.
It may have cost nothing, but would have added nothing. The ratings would have plummeted. Expecting the STAR audience to put up with a marginal signal for generic content doesn't work. Something unique that isn't being offered elsewhere is the best hope(That's if finding listeners even matters anymore).

Audacy isn't stuck with a Country format. They are free to try something else. Their history of programming blunders on 107.7 are glaring after The Lake. The bankruptcy means even less effort in the future.

Some here have criticized NPR and WBFO for programming changes. Their content is STILL better in comparison to Commercial Radio and many people can hear the difference...
 
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I find it amazing that WBFO is within a share point of WBEN. I couldn’t have imagined this “back in the day.“ I wonder if they’re popping champagne bottles at BTPM headquarters downtown! As someone who has criticized the reduction of local news coverage at WBFO, I’ll admit that it might not have been warranted. Give listeners NPR content, and they’ll tune in. A 4.4 share!

WBFO made a big change in its midday lineup in early February. We’ll see if that has any impact on the ratings in future books. Gone is NPR’s 1A. WBFO is now running BBC content at 11am. I happen to be traveling in my car during that hour two to three times a week. I have found the BBC content to be interesting when I’ve tuned in. For me, it‘s more of a draw than the esoteric topics that were often a part of hour two on 1A.

But rather than returning Here and Now to its traditional 12noon starting time, when people are interested in hearing the latest news during their lunch hour, WBFO is running this inane show about words. Most stations relegate this show to weekend afternoons or evenings. But WBFO is running it at 12noon weekdays! I’ve sampled a bit of this show. It’s not what I’m looking at 12noon. Fortunately, Alexa gives me Here and Now from Boston’s WBUR at noon. Again, I’m shaking my head at what WBFO management is thinking.

That said, kudos to management for introducing a new show Friday mornings at 10am. WBFO has launched a show called “Group Chat.” It’s hosted by “The Bridge’s” Tiffany Bentley. I’ve heard two of the first three shows. Bentley is a great host. The guests are local influencers. Very listenable! The topics are primarily about current trends and pop culture. This is clearly intended to attract a younger audience. Yet, this listener in his late 60s finds it quite informative and entertaining.
Now then ... WBEN wobbled up one tenth of a share, December to January, while WBFO is trending up a half share December to January and over four months, WBFO is up a whole share since October '23. Conversely, WBEN is down more than a share for the same four month period. That should be of concern for WBEN.

It's impressive share growth (remember the definition of shares as it relates to people actually listening to radio) for WBFO, but if I were at BTPM I wouldn't be popping the champagne quite yet. There have been countless stations/formats that went up incrementally over a one to two book (three month period) only to plateau and settle down a share (or more) below their high point after a full year. (At this writing WECK seems to be in that mode, down more than a share over a four month period.) There have been stations/formats that skyrocketed and then plateau'd.

The diary system presents a number of variables with which even the most astute programmers grapple. David Eduardo makes a good point earlier in this thread.

As to "Group Chat," it can be interesting ... yet I find myself disinterested (I loathe the essence of "influencers." The word itself conjures images of the brainless but very successful Kardashian clan.)

"Group Chat" is a good attempt at trying to reach younger demos. The host is articulate. The question is, will the younger listeners find the program and make it appointment listening OTA or on-line? And will these lsiteners be properly credited for their listening. At this point the program might be attracting geezers (mirror) who are interested in what these young whipper-snappers are doing and talking about. Not altogether a bad thing, of course.

What's more, at this point Group Chat being on one day only, will the show make an impact? And how will that impact be measured? In a PPM market a program director would be able to zero-in on that. In a diary market, the metrics are more broad. Again, see Eduardo's comments about diary v. PPM.

One more observation about comparing WBEN to WBFO: WBFO it seems is sifting through possibilities for growth, especially in youngher demographics, while WBEN plays the same tired MAGA tune, slogging about in a soft, pungent bog of mediocrity.

Now, the lauding of WBFO having been made, a few barbs: What once was extensive local news content in morning and afternoon drive has been noticeably reduced. As a result, my Time Spent Listening ("TSL") in these dayparts has decreased significantly. Correspondingly, my TSL to the NPR programming in these dayparts also has decreased. Anecdotal of course, but I can't be the only geezer-member who feels this way.
 
What's more, at this point Group Chat being on one day only, will the show make an impact?

Here's what I noticed: The show is locally funded. That is the goal you have for every local show.

Group Chat is presented in part by The National Comedy Center.

That's why this show is on the schedule, and to answer your question, it's already had an impact.

Perhaps this is a tryout to replace What's Next? I'm thinking we'll hear more of The Bridge in some way on WBFO.
 
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