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What does it take to move 94.7 the Block to the Empire State Building?
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Inviting Fybush and the real engineers to join in, but FM (unlike AM) is based on channel allocations that obey separation requirements for each channel and its first and second adjacents.
Given the decrease in value of stations in the last few years and the fact that the stations that totally prevent 94.7 from moving are some fairly valuable properties themselves, I doubt that such a situation could exist in the NYC area. In other less congested areas, there are ways to move multiple stations to create a "hole" for a moved. But around New York City, the congestion of the band is so extreme that there are no places other stations could move to clear a path for WXBK.
Calling Scott Fybush!
Given the decrease in value of stations in the last few years and the fact that the stations that totally prevent 94.7 from moving are some fairly valuable properties themselves, I doubt that such a situation could exist in the NYC area. In other less congested areas, there are ways to move multiple stations to create a "hole" for a moved. But around New York City, the congestion of the band is so extreme that there are no places other stations could move to clear a path for WXBK.
Calling Scott Fybush!
This has been discussed many times. If it was possible, it would have been done.
The one example I think of whenever this is brought up is WBGO, which moved it's tower from downtown Newark to 4 Times Square. In the process they cut their power by about half and built in a null at 60 degrees. Here are two threads from 2011 on the process and the results:
Practically speaking, the station lost some of west Essex County and beyond, and didn't seem to gain much in Queens, which was their main goal.
The one example I think of whenever this is brought up is WBGO, which moved it's tower from downtown Newark to 4 Times Square. In the process they cut their power by about half and built in a null at 60 degrees. Here are two threads from 2011 on the process and the results:
Practically speaking, the station lost some of west Essex County and beyond, and didn't seem to gain much in Queens, which was their main goal.
That's the best answer yet!
In a hypothetical situation, I suppose 94.7 could move to ESB if it were a conforming class A. That would be cutting off their nose to spite their face, though. You’d have many of the same reception issues 105.9 would have in midtown, plus less coverage in the Jersey suburbs. 600w ain’t gonna do the trick.
As a class B, even directional, no dice. Unless someone had deep pockets and downgraded/turned in the license of about a half-dozen other stations, it isn’t really feasible.
As a class B, even directional, no dice. Unless someone had deep pockets and downgraded/turned in the license of about a half-dozen other stations, it isn’t really feasible.
As one who was involved with the programming of another 600 watt station on the ESB, I can tell you that even 10 or 12 blocks away that signal had nearly no building penetration... I had to hold a radio up to the hotel room window to hear it!
That was diagonally across the street from 485 Madison, the CBS building before they built Black Rock.
And a block or two from the 13th floor pleasure palace that once was WMCA's 415 Madison suite.
That makes sense. That 60 degree null would have cut through a big chunk of Queens on its way to whatever station it was protecting in -- where? Providence? New Haven? Martha's Vineyard?
a wild guess.. WLIW 88.3 southampton
I doubt it, Paul. The Hamptons are virtually due East of midtown (90° +/- a couple of degrees). You need more like ENE of Times Square, a 60° heading, which (eyeballing a map) is more like the north shore of the Long Island Sound in Connecticut, so Stamford, Bridgeport, New Haven, or less likely (due to distance) Providence RI, Fall River MA or New Bedford MA. Hartford's probably too far north of that line.
Audacy's "94.7 The Block" DOES NOT have a translator on 98.3 in Palisades Park. Sound of Long Island owns W252CS and leases WXBK-HD3 to feed its "Radio Korea" programming.
Full powered stations and translators have different separation rules. Additionally many of the second adjacent signals in the New York area are only allowed because they were licensed before the FCC created their spacing rules in 1964 and are grandfathered in place.
Lance, I think you interpret "they" more literally than I do. I doubt Xale intended "they" to refer specifically to Audacy, regardless of who owns WXBK-HD3 or who's leasing it to originate Radio Korea for the translator. Not everyone poster is as precise in their language as you.
Right. But under no circumstance is the translator rebroadcasting The Block, which is what I construed the poster to be complaining about.
When I started this site I was 17 years old and basically used it to learn as much about the industry. My role now is an attempt whether wanted or not to give back the knowledge I've accrued over the past 27 years so people understand why things happen in radio instead of people simply doing this...
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Including me. Another example of Mark Roberts' Law: Anyone who criticizes another poster's spelling [or grammar] will invariably have a typo in their own post.
Hey, who gave permission to publish my picture on the board?
I wasn't talking about the Block but the logic of the spacing rules. 96.7 was allowed to move to New Rochelle and this was nearly 5 decades after 1964. Same thing with 103.9.
Doesn't 94.3 WJLK, 94.3 in the Hudson Valley, 94.5 PST, 94.3 The Shark, and 94.7 WMAS all have to move in order to do that?
Only WWSK is short-spaced. Audacy already downgraded WMAS adding a directional null when they moved WXBK from South Orange to the WOR tower. The others are not factors.
So can WWSK go directional with a null to the west in order to allow WXBK to move to Empire?
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