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February '24 Rolling Average

I doubt Cumulus, who is ready for bankruptcy 2, is paying S and R “ whatever they want”
"Talent" has almost no leverage these days. The previous morning show on 97 Rock was terminated. Did any of them ever resurface on Radio on any other station or market? Many long time personalities have taken pay cuts to stay employed. The offer is "Take it or leave it".

Luca Brasi sleeps with the fishes...
 
Which is why Cumulus, even coming out of bankruptcy, continues to pay Shredd & Ragan whatever they want. If they could find a few more like them, they'd gladly pay them. They picked the right time to transition them to classic rock. Great move that has paid off.


I think there's a real push to find "entertaining talent." The problem is what constitutes "entertaining." If they can't sing, then they have to be clever with words. There was a guy in Buffalo who thought it was entertaining to compare women's complexion with toast. Let's pause for a moment. Can you believe that actually happened? Whenever anyone complains about emotionless VT, I bring up that example.
All Cumulus did was move them from one station to the other. The Edge has declined somewhat while 97 Rock has stayed roughly the same. Hardly a great move.

Many Classic Rock listeners probably cannot tell the difference between the fired morning show and S & R. Morning Zoo shows were always based on trying to be zany entertainment. Most of them sucked, so it's not surprising that the "Toast" remark happened. Keep in mind that many people that listen to this station said they would boycott because of the termination. That apparently didn't happen...
 
I doubt Cumulus, who is ready for bankruptcy 2, is paying S and R “ whatever they want”
It's a figure of speech. The point is, they're getting paid well ... substantially more than any other jock on the radio station, if not the cluster, the same with Clay Moden. That noted, Buffalo is market #59. These morning guys are not syndicated, so they're probably not making what air talent of their stature and performance level are making in market #25. Still, they're doing just fine.
The TV networks figured this out in the 1950's with Steve Allen and then Johnny Carson being the television equivalents of "morning men". Radio, enhanced by FCC "localism" policies, stuck with the same wheel being reinvented hundreds of times all across the USA.
And here I expected you to credit Dave Garroway and Jack Lescoulie ... the morning pioneers of the television morning shows when NBC launched the Today Show. Also J. Fred Muggs. Every radio morning show has a J. Fred Muggs ... who doesn't know he or she is J. Fred Muggs ... recalls that old saying, "If you walk into a room (betting parlor) and you don't know who the 'mark' is ... you're the 'mark.'"

For those whippersnappers who are unknowing ... here's J. Fred Muggs' bio
 
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Huh? Really? Which stations do you listen to?

WYRK's Clay & Co. has won the CMA Award for Broadcast Personality of the Year. I suggest Clay is a real personality.

But there are several others who I'd put in that category. You might not listen because you don't like the music. But they are there.
WYRK had their first ever (2) nominations and wins with Val in under 3 years. I don’t think Clay is the real personality there.
 
WYRK had their first ever (2) nominations and wins with Val in under 3 years. I don’t think Clay is the real personality there.
C'mon man, seriously? Moden lives and breathes Country. Val was/is talented, but Clay is the name on the marque. Surprised Val hasn't turned up on another frequency ... although, IIRC, when she left WYRK, she laid tracks of scorched earth and ripped radio in general "a new one." Bold lady.
 
"Talent" has almost no leverage these days.
Wrong. Ratings and revenue generating talent has a great deal of power.
The previous morning show on 97 Rock was terminated. Did any of them ever resurface on Radio on any other station or market?
Maybe because they were not at the level to warrant interest elsewhere.
Many long time personalities have taken pay cuts to stay employed.
Also if they are not true audience magnets who draw people to the station.
The offer is "Take it or leave it".
... if you are not a ratings-increasing or revenue-generating talent.
 
Wrong. Ratings and revenue generating talent has a great deal of power.

Maybe because they were not at the level to warrant interest elsewhere.

Also if they are not true audience magnets who draw people to the station.

... if you are not a ratings-increasing or revenue-generating talent.
I know it's not "radio" but ask Joe Rogan if he has any power or leverage.
 
Wrong. Ratings and revenue generating talent has a great deal of power.
Those are the rare exceptions. S & R are working in Buffalo at a station that has played the same music for over 30 years. The music is the brand like Coke or Pepsi. They would be not granted any outrageous salary demands.

All talent is ultimately expendable -- no matter if it's Radio or TV. The consequences will differ when stations make these moves. In the case of 97 Rock --the station fired the long time PD and morning show and the midday guy quit.
None of those changes had any discernable impact...
 
Those are the rare exceptions. S & R are working in Buffalo at a station that has played the same music for over 30 years. The music is the brand like Coke or Pepsi. They would be not granted any outrageous salary demands.

All talent is ultimately expendable -- no matter if it's Radio or TV. The consequences will differ when stations make these moves. In the case of 97 Rock --the station fired the long time PD and morning show and the midday guy quit.
None of those changes had any discernable impact...
I have to agree with tbolt909. The only way I could see an air personality making a difference is if they are doing talk radio. Otherwise do people really care about liner card readers. ? s and R do a talk show. Thats why they matter
 
Those are the rare exceptions.
That is always the case with artists of any kind, from Picasso to Hemingway to Bayoncé. That goes for really good radio hosts, too.

And that is why I am a proponent of national formats. There was only one Steve Allen, one Johnny Carson, one Jay Leno. what's the difference? If we want radio to survive, presenting this type of national talent with a signficant support staff is essential.
S & R are working in Buffalo at a station that has played the same music for over 30 years. The music is the brand like Coke or Pepsi. They would be not granted any outrageous salary demands.
So? What is your point? That they are not "stars" and merely complement the music?
All talent is ultimately expendable -- no matter if it's Radio or TV.
Replaceable, with difficulty if at all. And there are some that are not expendable or Stern would not be making what he does for just a few hours a week just a few weeks out of the year!
 
And there are some that are not expendable or Stern would not be making what he does for just a few hours a week just a few weeks out of the year!
Stern is on Sirius XM. People have to pay for that. Obviously, the company thinks he brings in enough subscribers to justify his salary.

I agree that compelling content is more important than "Live & Local". WBUF is an example of failure. The syndicated Beer Morning Show is a train wreck. On the other hand, Steve Harvey does very well...
 
Stern is on Sirius XM. People have to pay for that. Obviously, the company thinks he brings in enough subscribers to justify his salary.
No different than AM and FM: the management finds that the investment in talent brings in the necessary and desired revenue. The source of the revenue is irrelevant as the determining factor is the number of people a talent can attract.
I agree that compelling content is more important than "Live & Local". WBUF is an example of failure. The syndicated Beer Morning Show is a train wreck. On the other hand, Steve Harvey does very well...
And that goes way back. Jack Parr did less well than Steve Allen on the Tonight show, so they finally found Johnny Carson to replace him. The network was happier and the host was less moody. But they stood with Parr for about 5 full years because they did not have enough security about any potential replacement.

In the U.S. I've worked with two morning show hosts who both went from a suburban AM in Orange County to being nationally networked; the road resembles a pass through the Alps rather than an Interstate Highway. It is not easy and the talents tend to think they are indispensable long before their training and coaching makes them so.
 
Or if they're a celebrity. Steve Harvey is a celebrity, and has one of the most popular morning shows in Buffalo.

Steve Harvey is an example that you don't have to be live & local to appeal to a mass audiencSteve Harvey is pr
 
More people are watching tv than ever before. It's just that there are many diffrent platforms that people currently watch tv. There is shows that get huge boosts in ratings once multiplatform viewing is factored in
 
...the road resembles a pass through the Alps rather than an Interstate Highway. It is not easy and the talents tend to think they are indispensable long before their training and coaching makes them so.
This thread has been like "a pass through the Alps," yet a good discussion has ensued.

I do not argue the point that a national show can exceed the impact as a local show, but here's some 716 Perspective. Two things: Steve Harvey is on WBLK, a legacy urban format with deep, generational heritage in the African-American community. There is no substantial in-format competition. Locally owned urban-gospel (kilowatt day timer) WUFO 1080 and its minuscule-powered translator on 96.5, sandwiched between Class B 96.1 and 96.9, offers scant direct competition to WBLK. This is not to discount the value of WUFO to the African American coimmunity, nor the multi-generational breadth and appeal of Steve Harvey's show and nationally known brand. Harvey proabably appeals (depending on topic and timeliness) to a segment of Kiss 98.5 or New 96.1 listeners ... but the fact is, Harvey has all four lanes of the Urban superhighway to himself.

Now then, Howard Stern: When he was in Buffalo on WBUF (then owned by Infinity) and WWKB-AM (then owned by ... Kemarket?), Stern made an impact but did not dominate the competition as he did in many other (larger) markets. In Philadelphia, for example, John DeBella ("the Morning Zoo master") on WMMR was quite literally physically and emotionally wrecked by Stern on (Infinity's) WYSP (and his cadre of antagonistic often malicious in-show sycophants. But in Buffalo, the 97 Rock morning show with Norton and supporting cast, survived the onslaught and often beat Stern on WBUF ("Howard Stern in the morning, Classic Rock all day.") Stern was less impactful when he was on WWKB-AM (although he was the main attraction) which offered a patchwork of guy-talk, including Don and Mike in the afternoon.

In Cleveland, John Lanigan (doing Oldies, but still the dominant morning man in the market) survived in the face of Stern's constant harassment. Lanigan stayed above the fray, did his act, and remained quite robust. These are two markets where localism and local shows, combined with the all important steady promotion and street presence, fended off the competition from the often obnoxious ... although entertaining ... national interloper.

When Shredd & Ragan moved from WEDG to 97 Rock, they replaced a morning show that was in reasonably in good shape until the "toast" debacle. That mess was damning, far more on the revenue side than on the programming side. The show had zero chance of weathering the economic pushback. Account executives lost thousands of dollars in billing and substantial income as their commissions shrank due to client cancellations. I don't have the count and amount ("from the top"), but it appears from sporadic listening that most of the clients who cancelled are back with Shredd & Ragan in the time slot.

Some irony, Stern often got away with bits that were far more crude and contextually racist than the "toast episode" that aired on 97 Rock. Times and technology have changed, as has Stern who often disavows his bellicose past. He's all "growed up" now and credits psychotherapy for making him a better man. Ahem.

As to the personalities involved in the "toast debacle," that bit will likely be the albatross about their necks. They were a talented lot, and arguably decent people who made a grossly stupid mistake, enhanced by the further mistake of putting the bit on the station's website where it received national scourge.

One might think that after all this time the offending morning personalities have been rehabilitated and the advertising and African American communities would be forgiving, but with (Buffalo) radio facing strong economic headwinds, there are few if any stations will risk the threatened and potentially real loss of revenue.

Wait ... WEBR and WLVL? Something to bring much attention to two frequencies that have little if any recall among radio listeners. Umm, no.
 
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Steve Harvey is on WBLK, a legacy urban format with deep, generational heritage in the African-American community. There is no substantial in-format competition.

People still make a decision whether to listen to Steve or listen to Sirius or Spotify. Having heritage doesn't mean he can do a crappy show. Because he's also on in markets where he HAS in-format competition, such as DC, and he's beating the two heritage urban stations. So there is support for Steve because of him and his show. It may not be evident in Buffalo, but it's there.

Would they still be #1 with a local show? Probably. But they'd be cheating their listeners out of a quality morning show hosted by someone they know, love, and trust. Its worth it to Townsquare to make less money, and allow iHeart to sell spots on their station, by running an outside show. It gets iHeart inroads into markets where it doesn't own a station.
 
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More people are watching tv than ever before. It's just that there are many diffrent platforms that people currently watch tv. There is shows that get huge boosts in ratings once multiplatform viewing is factored in
They are watching streaming on a TV screen. Broadcast TV is in far worse trouble than radio. Radio stations have fans. Broadcast TV have fans of shows, not the station itself.

Don’t get me wrong, radio and audio content are super fragmented, but TV, with the amount of apps that provide all kinds of programming content is far more fragmented, and will only get worse.

Radio got kicked in the arse but the damage has been done, TV is next, soon
 
More people are watching tv than ever before. It's just that there are many diffrent platforms that people currently watch tv. There is shows that get huge boosts in ratings once multiplatform viewing is factored in
That is why we have "same day" ratings as well as delayed viewing data.

With some of the network-owned streaming services like Paramount+, Hulu and Peacock delaying the stream from the live broadcast, this is essential data. Segregation of streams is important as those network controlled services don't usually carry ads (premium) or different ads.

Then you have the still huge percentage of homes with cable who have recording devices that allow one to view at their convenience. Those have ads, but advertisers know that most of us skip them.

So not only does multiplatfom viewing need to be considered, the type of ad content, if any, and "skipping" have to be considered.
 
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