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KEGL

You might be overthinking the AI rumor. I Heart has suggested several times over the last year that they are using AI to do the music rotations and scheduling. That's probably the AI part here.

It's unlikely they will play AI produced music. Earning good ratings in PPM (diary too) for music radio stations has been about playing familiar music in almost all situations.

AI produced music as radio content would upend that completely. Would they experiment with that in a market as big as Dallas?
And has iHeart done any AI show hosting yet anywhere?

Isn't this stuff you would test in, say, Waco or another smaller market first?

Bet you that the next version of the Eagle will be straight from the iHeart Rock PPM playbook (and won't be much different musically from KEGL a few years ago).

It will be mostly gold during the day (maybe more current at night, maybe not). Music will be primarily 1990s and early 2000s rock gold & grunge. There will be some 70s & 80s classic rock (maybe 1-2 an hour, maybe a bit more).

The overall playlist will be tight, probably 250-300 titles. This will not be at all adventurous radio.
 
From earlier in the thread

mnradiofan said:
Its a dark future, but yeah. If you look at platforms like Suno AI, it can already spit out some pretty good tracks (although it needs improvement, but considering where we were just a few years ago, I don't doubt it will get there).
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This is how I imagine The Eagle debuting on Monday:
  1. Top hour (KEGL HD1 Fort Worth, Dallas)
  2. A voice goes "you know what? You know the KEGL history by now. And if you didn't pay attention, look up the Wikipedia page"
  3. The Eagle debuts "Welcome back to the Eagle, a third time. Why do we do this to ourselves?"
  4. First song: "Freak On a Leash" by Korn
 
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exdjted said:
This is what happens when MAXIMUM profits are the goal because of hedge-fund ownership. As old-time broadcasters, we were used to having live local talent to make a decent profit because that's what listeners wanted. Now, we are being replaced by shareholders who only see the world in a P & L statement. Radio has become a jukebox because we ALLOWED it to become a jukebox.Thank God I won't be around for the end of Radio as I once knew it.
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Oh, dear. I hate to break it to you, but maximum profit was always the goal. Listeners aren’t the customers, advertisers are.
 
E-Cam said:
This is how I imagine The Eagle debuting on Monday:
  1. Top hour (KEGL HD1 Fort Worth, Dallas)
  2. A voice goes "you know what? You know the KEGL history by now. And if you didn't pay attention, look up the Wikipedia page"
  3. The Eagle debuts "Welcome back to the Eagle, a third time. Why do we do this to ourselves?"
  4. First song: "Freak On a Leash" by Korn
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The only thing about this is that iHeart doesn’t mention HD1’s in their Legal IDs. But this would be awesome! Haha

On a side note, just heard a liner on the HD2 that said something like, “We’ll be back again, I guarantee it! 97-1 HD2 The Eagle” and it sounded like that was added on to an existing liner. Could’ve airing for a while, but I’m not sure. I don’t listen to 97.1 HD2 too often, because I’m not a fan of all the classic rock they play.
 
So does UNT Mean Green football go back to KHYI?
 
What's so special about Florida? Two Sunshine State Hot Talk stations do very well in the ratings.

Tampa ... WHPT 102.5 ... Cox Media ... #5

Orlando ... WTKS 104.1 ... iHeartMedia ... #5 tie

Daytona ... WTKS 104.1 ... iHeartMedia ... #6

So why was KEGL unable to find an audience in Dallas? And why is Hot Talk untried in other markets?
 
Gregg. said:
What's so special about Florida? Two Sunshine State Hot Talk stations do very well in the ratings.

Tampa ... WHPT 102.5 ... Cox Media ... #5

Orlando ... WTKS 104.1 ... iHeartMedia ... #5 tie

Daytona ... WTKS 104.1 ... iHeartMedia ... #6

So why was KEGL unable to find an audience in Dallas? And why is Hot Talk untried in other markets?
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The male talk format is a great format, although it comes with a ton of overhead right off the jump.

The Freak branded itself as a rebellious, loud, out of the box male leaning talk station - but it's execution was some weird hybrid of female based talk with men and topics and discussions on absolutely nothing. I could never get over how each show sounded like they all just wandered into a room and turned the mics on. That's not how it works. The most off the cuff remark on Stern is planned, in fact everything Howard does is planned. His strength is making that sound easy. Then you have positioning the station with every single host being from a sports background, running the Mavs, and building the station around Mike Rhyner, whom to that audience was just irrelevant.

THE NEWS JUNKIES which is a show from one of the stations you mentioned WTKS in Orlando was the best thing on The Freak. THAT show is what the entire station should have been.

I'm so extremely curious as to who saw the 'talent' in the Ben and Skin show that really thought that fit in the 1st place on The Eagle. It was the 2nd fault, only to the awful music that was the ultimate demise of the Eagle.

If the music isn't right on MONDAY ALONE - The Eagle will fail. It's not rocket science. It cannot be B sides and deep cuts. It cannot be old. It cannot be alternative. It has to play as I've posted now twice - DAD ROCK, meaning music that's relevant to Dads. This is 2024, so that doesn't mean Zepplin and The Eagles - it means:

Godsmack, Five Finger Death Punch, Dirty Honey, Blackstone Cherry, Pantera(!), Drowning Pool, Tool, Marilyn Manson, White Zombie, Korn, Disturbed, Shinedown, Avenged Sevenfold, Slipknot, Killswitch Engage, Limp Bizkit, Trivium, Puddle of Mudd, Staind, Three Days Grace, Lacuna Coil, Kitty, Rise Against, Saliva, Iron Maiden, Theory of a Deadman, Silverchair, Cold, Trapt, Velvet Revolver, Coal Chamber, Rammstein, Static X, Machinehead, Stone Sour, Ozzy (post 1992), Brother Caine, Greta Van Fleet, Royal Blood, Chevelle, Volbeat, The Pretty Reckless, Saint Asonia, Zakk Wylde, Ayron Jones, Bush, Bring Me The Horizon, Breaking Benjamin, Dorothy, Ghost, Papa Roach, 10 Years, Kenny Wayne Sheppard, Halestorm, Default, Sevendust, The Killers, Messer, Candlebox, Finger Eleven . . .
 
E-Cam said:
This is how I imagine The Eagle debuting on Monday:
  1. Top hour (KEGL HD1 Fort Worth, Dallas)
  2. A voice goes "you know what? You know the KEGL history by now. And if you didn't pay attention, look up the Wikipedia page"
  3. The Eagle debuts "Welcome back to the Eagle, a third time. Why do we do this to ourselves?"
  4. First song: "Freak On a Leash" by Korn
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i think they either pick "Flying High Again" by Ozzy Osbourne just like the last time they flipped back to the Eagle, or Eagles Fly by Sammy Hagar, either would be callbacks to the previous 2 incarnations as Flying High Again kicked the 2007-2022 incarnation off and Eagles Fly was the final song played in the 1992-2004 incarnation before the launch of Sunny 97.1 20 years ago.
 
Kramer said:
The male talk format is a great format, although it comes with a ton of overhead right off the jump.

The Freak branded itself as a rebellious, loud, out of the box male leaning talk station - but it's execution was some weird hybrid of female based talk with men and topics and discussions on absolutely nothing. I could never get over how each show sounded like they all just wandered into a room and turned the mics on. That's not how it works. The most off the cuff remark on Stern is planned, in fact everything Howard does is planned. His strength is making that sound easy. Then you have positioning the station with every single host being from a sports background, running the Mavs, and building the station around Mike Rhyner, whom to that audience was just irrelevant.

THE NEWS JUNKIES which is a show from one of the stations you mentioned WTKS in Orlando was the best thing on The Freak. THAT show is what the entire station should have been.

I'm so extremely curious as to who saw the 'talent' in the Ben and Skin show that really thought that fit in the 1st place on The Eagle. It was the 2nd fault, only to the awful music that was the ultimate demise of the Eagle.

If the music isn't right on MONDAY ALONE - The Eagle will fail. It's not rocket science. It cannot be B sides and deep cuts. It cannot be old. It cannot be alternative. It has to play as I've posted now twice - DAD ROCK, meaning music that's relevant to Dads. This is 2024, so that doesn't mean Zepplin and The Eagles - it means:

Godsmack, Five Finger Death Punch, Dirty Honey, Blackstone Cherry, Pantera(!), Drowning Pool, Tool, Marilyn Manson, White Zombie, Korn, Disturbed, Shinedown, Avenged Sevenfold, Slipknot, Killswitch Engage, Limp Bizkit, Trivium, Puddle of Mudd, Staind, Three Days Grace, Lacuna Coil, Kitty, Rise Against, Saliva, Iron Maiden, Theory of a Deadman, Silverchair, Cold, Trapt, Velvet Revolver, Coal Chamber, Rammstein, Static X, Machinehead, Stone Sour, Ozzy (post 1992), Brother Caine, Greta Van Fleet, Royal Blood, Chevelle, Volbeat, The Pretty Reckless, Saint Asonia, Zakk Wylde, Ayron Jones, Bush, Bring Me The Horizon, Breaking Benjamin, Dorothy, Ghost, Papa Roach, 10 Years, Kenny Wayne Sheppard, Halestorm, Default, Sevendust, The Killers, Messer, Candlebox, Finger Eleven . . .
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so Modern Classic Rock then (i.e the 80s-2000s stuff).
 
Gregg. said:
What's so special about Florida? Two Sunshine State Hot Talk stations do very well in the ratings.

Tampa ... WHPT 102.5 ... Cox Media ... #5

Orlando ... WTKS 104.1 ... iHeartMedia ... #5 tie

Daytona ... WTKS 104.1 ... iHeartMedia ... #6

So why was KEGL unable to find an audience in Dallas? And why is Hot Talk untried in other markets?
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Decades of heritage for starters. Hot Talk in Central Florida serves the same demographic niche that Sports talk holds in the rest of the country. And many elements of both formats have seeped into one another.

It's also a format that takes time to develop an audience and needs marketing support, something iHeart did not give KEGL.
 
lanceventa said:
It's also a format that takes time to develop an audience and needs marketing support, something iHeart did not give KEGL.
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Then again, they spent the money hiring two heritage talents, who had established audiences, who were credited with actually creating the format at a competitor. The hiring got massive local media attention. The problem was those two talents didn't deliver on expectations. People tuned in to hear their heroes, and heard people who were out of touch with the demo and no longer as exciting as they had been. In this case, it wasn't that the audience wasn't aware of the station, or needed time to develop, but that they simply didn't like it.

However, there also was residual negativity about the abrupt way the music was dropped. In Tampa (and at KISW in Seattle), the move from rock to talk was gradual. Not here. They should have kept the music on the weekends and off hours.
 
TheBigA said:
Then again, they spent the money hiring two heritage talents, who had established audiences, who were credited with actually creating the format at a competitor. The hiring got massive local media attention. The problem was those two talents didn't deliver on expectations. People tuned in to hear their heroes, and heard people who were out of touch with the demo and no longer as exciting as they had been. In this case, it wasn't that the audience wasn't aware of the station, or needed time to develop, but that they simply didn't like it.

However, there also was residual negativity about the abrupt way the music was dropped. In Tampa (and at KISW in Seattle), the move from rock to talk was gradual. Not here. They should have kept the music on the weekends and off hours.
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@TheBigA - right on the MONEY! Couldn't agree more.
 
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