KEGL

[TheBigA]

You guys are sitting around hemming and hawin' over a song that never charted a station's format - defending it.

How high did Running Up That Hill chart for Kate Bush when it was a current? I can't tell you because I never played it.

But last year, it became a cross-format smash. What should that tell you?

Don't base what you play now by what was done 30 or 40 years ago. Nobody cares about then. They care about now.

ZZ Top never got country airplay. But today Billy F. Gibbons is a guitar god in the country format. Had their records come out today, they would have been played on country radio. I don't care about what charted or didn't. That's for the historians.

BTW, the only person I see making a big deal about a song here is you. It's just one f-ing song. Get over it. The reason I asked about the Chili Peppers is both KVIL and KEGL play them. You say KEGL needs to distinguish itself from KVIL. They do, but with other songs.

I just did a Mediabase search to see what other active rock stations are playing Sabotage. I found 85 other stations including WRIF Detroit. So other stations in the format are playing it now.

 

[davideduardo]

You guys are sitting around hemming and hawin' over a song that never charted a station's format - defending it. THIS is exactly why we are where we are now. You play the hits. Simple. Play the songs your AUDIENCE likes. Look at the Eagles Facebook page, they're TELLING YOU what they like and don't like, and they for damn sure don't like Sabotage or 21 Pilots. SO WHY PLAY IT?

Stations don't program artists, they program songs. Each one is evaluated based on how much listeners want to hear it today.

In many cases, it does not matter how much, where or what station did or did not play it when new. It's about whether it fits today.

 

[davideduardo]

Don't base what you play now by what was done 30 or 40 years ago. Nobody cares about then. They care about now.

I put a "like" on that post. It really deserves more than one, so here...

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[TheBigA]

In many cases, it does not matter how much, where or what station did or did not play it when new. It's about whether it fits today.

Let me add, if it was about my personal taste, I would NEVER play this song. But a lot of rock stations are.

 

[Kramer]

Stations don't program artists, they program songs. Each one is evaluated based on how much listeners want to hear it today.

In many cases, it does not matter how much, where or what station did or did not play it when new. It's about whether it fits today.

Well if a song didn't chart, why would you ever WANT to play it? Why would you play it? There's a reason there are different charts for different formats. Are we really having this conversation?

If you listen to your audience, they will tell you what to play and what not to play. The Eagle's audience doesn't want to hear Jelly Roll, 21 Pilots, Beastie Boys, and I could sit here and name 50 other artists. It's a ROCK station in a ROCK market with an ALTERNATIVE station - and 2 other stations that share similar music with KVIL, so why would you even CONSIDER playing alt music of ANY kind?

 

[Kramer]

Don't base what you play now by what was done 30 or 40 years ago. Nobody cares about then. They care about now.

They care about now . . . hmmmm. You mean like NOW NOW, like if they don't like a song they can just flip over to Youtube and play one they want right NOW? Cuz, that's where we are. Now we have another version of the Eagle that isn't listening to it's audience, right now. The nucleus of the music is almost there. My point ABOUT the music was that there are still songs like Sabotage that keep coming up when it's painfully obvious the Eagle shouldn't be playing it. If you have low cume, which it will, you at least want the few who listen to stick around. Let's remember that even though it's 'now', that rule still applies. Ben and Skin come on - BZZZZZ. People are gone. The ratings have now proven that for HOW many years? You play the wrong music, like it did last time, of which I said exactly so when I got here - you have a 2.0 rating and switch formats. Mavs come on - BZZZZZZ. The PD told me the Mavs were ranked near the bottom when I first got here and that it was all shoved down his throat. Three things that kill the signal on 97.1 are right here in this thread - PROVEN to be losers, and here we are.

I rest my case.

 

[Kramer]

Oh and PS: A new morning show coming soon that's as Vanilla as Mister Rogers. So let's throw another log on that fire.

 

[TheBigA]

The Eagle's audience doesn't want to hear Jelly Roll, 21 Pilots, Beastie Boys, and I could sit here and name 50 other artists.

The hardest part of being in radio is to know the difference between what you want, and what your listeners want. They're not always the same thing. Reading your list of what they don't want just goes against what they actually DO want to hear.

Audiences today aren't as parochial as they were 30 years ago. They're not as focused on format. They're more interested in authenticity. That's what they get from Jelly Roll. If you spent 5 minutes with him, smoked a cigar with him (or a joint) you'd get it. Do you know how many active rock stations are playing Need A Favor by Jelly Roll? Almost 100. Top spinner is in Cincinnati. WMMS in playing it in Cleveland. Jelly just KILLED it at Stagecoach last week. He is what the rock audience wants to hear. He has cred with them because his first hits were in rock before he switched to country. So spend some time with Jelly. Talk to his fans. Listen to what they say. They may change your mind.

My point ABOUT the music was that there are still songs like Sabotage that keep coming up when it's painfully obvious the Eagle shouldn't be playing it.

And yet 80 of this country's biggest active rock stations are playing it. Maybe they know something you don't.

 

[TheBigA]

Oh and PS: A new morning show coming soon that's as Vanilla as Mister Rogers. So let's throw another log on that fire.

It really doesn't matter. The truth is new morning shows take a while to build an audience. So regardless of who they got, it will take a while. It may never happen. But the thing about national shows is they're not based on local ratings. Just market clear and national cume. Adding Dallas, even with a 1 share, is a win.

 

[E-Cam]

That is surprising to me because I never heard them get airplay on AOR when they broke in 1986/87 nor did they have any rock cred. I only heard them on CHR back then. Now suddenly they are rock artists.

The same goes to an All-American Rejects song, "Move Along" was only charted on Billboard's Hot 100, Adult Top 40, and Mainstream Top 40. But years later and up to today, nearly every alternative station in the nation (including KVIL) is playing this song, even though it never was on Modern Rock/Alternative Airplay or any rock chart despite it being a pop-rock song.

Another one is Johnny Cash's cover of "Hurt" by Nine Inch Nails. I know it charted on (then) Modern Rock but was it ever on Active Rock? I know KEGL didn't play it then but did play it before they flipped to "Freak."

I guess it has to do with demographics on why we think these examples (and possibly others) have been appearing on alternative/rock stations for years.

 

[TheBigA]

I guess it has to do with demographics on why we think these examples (and possibly others) have been appearing on alternative/rock stations for years.

You're right, part of it is demographics. Young people today have no idea about what charted 30 or 40 years ago. It's all new to them, and they're able to judge music under different criteria than people used then. To them, it's whether they like the song now, not based on chart position or radio format. If you look at streaming charts, you'll see that music taste is all over the map. The country audience today thinks Old Town Road was a country song. It barely charted country. But it's a massive hit.

 

[101tm]

JMO, but putting a talk show in PM drive that didn’t do well on the previous format and barely plays any music doesn’t seem like a smart idea if you’re trying to rehabilitate a once popular but damaged brand and frequency. How is 4 hours in PM drive of hardly any music different than the Freak was? And just 2 weeks after the thing relaunched?

Get people in for the music, then research if taking up your biggest listening time with talk is a direction you want to go in with said audience. People could love the music, but all of the talk with B&S could potentially be a massive turnoff.

 

[TheBigA]

JMO, but putting a talk show in PM drive that didn’t do well on the previous format

Maybe they weren't the reason it didn't do well in the previous format. They're getting a second chance. Sometimes hosts do better the second time around. According to Kramer, the music sucks. They're playing all the wrong songs. So playing more of them won't help.

If you look at the most successful active rock stations around the country, the primary reason is not the music.

 

[Loverofradio]

Maybe they weren't the reason it didn't do well in the previous format. They're getting a second chance. Sometimes hosts do better the second time around. According to Kramer, the music sucks. They're playing all the wrong songs. So playing more of them won't help.

If you look at the most successful active rock stations around the country, the primary reason is not the music.

I could be way off. But, I feel iHeart justifies keeping them to not ruin their relationship with the Mavericks. It may not be smart to “fire“ someone who works for the team. one of them, forgot who, does work for the Mavs. I don’t think Mark Cuban cares much about what actually airs on 97.1, but I could see him having an issue with actually letting go of someone who works for him

 

[TheBigA]

I could be way off. But, I feel iHeart justifies keeping them to not ruin their relationship with the Mavericks. It may not be smart to “fire“ someone who works for the team. one of them, forgot who, does work for the Mavs.

Especially as long as they're still in the playoffs

 

[Kramer]

According to Kramer, the music sucks. They're playing all the wrong songs. So playing more of them won't help.

That's completely incorrect and not what I said. I said the music sounds pretty good, but there are duds here and there and Sabotage was an example. I've given them props for how much the music this time sounds. I've also said nothing about what I like personally.

Ben and Skin came on and SKRRRRRRRRRRR - the brakes squeaked. As I said it would. Go read the FB comments on their debut from a remote. Everyone says stuff like, "It was great for a while, but now back to Sirius. This show sucks."

Ben & Skin.
Mavs.
Weak morning show forthcoming.
Just heard a 9 minute stopset.

Back to dat 2 share. It did feel cool for a minute.

 

[Loverofradio]

Especially as long as they're still in the playoffs

It’s just weird. it’s not being promoted anywhere? And theyre not on the website showing they’re on the air daily. I’m confused by all of this

 

[TheBigA]

That's completely incorrect and not what I said. I said the music sounds pretty good, but there are duds here and there and Sabotage was an example.

You focus on one song out of 500, a song that over 80 other active rock stations are also playing, and declaring that it doesn't belong on a rock station, even though lots of other rock stations are playing it. That sounds like a personal problem, not a professional one. If you have research, show it. I gave you documentation on why they play it.

Ben and Skin came on and SKRRRRRRRRRRR - the brakes squeaked.

Same thing happens on other active rock stations, such as KISW and WMMS. They are the model. There will be talk on this station. For now, it's B&S. This will not be a 24/7 music station.

Back to dat 2 share. It did feel cool for a minute.

As I said, ratings don't matter. They get good ratings with their other stations in the market. This station serves another purpose.

 

[TheBigA]

It’s just weird. it’s not being promoted anywhere? And theyre not on the website showing they’re on the air daily. I’m confused by all of this

They may only last as long as the Mavs last in the playoffs.

 

[macattack]

Who is the KEGL PD right now?

According to AllAccess (what’s left of it), the PD is Patrick Davis.