I see that 105.3 is showing that its fed from WKDD hd2 . The Air 1 site only shows 92.7 now as its Cleveland signal along with WKDD HD2. 101.1 is off the site as it is BIN now but is 105.3 replacing it. What is on 105.3 thanks.
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105.3 TRANSLATOR
- Thread starter RadioRonnie285
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I thought it was to be used by WCCD, 1000.
Nothing on 105.3 FM translator right now. It will be interesting if WCCD or Air 1 eventually end up there? That translator doesn't seem well maintained. The last thing I heard there was a muffled simulcast of WZAK. I've heard simulcast of WKRK in the past.
I heard "Air 1" on 105.3 FM, near downtown Cleveland.
Wonder if 105.3 could move closer to downtown.
Wonder if it could be put on taller tower. A very quick look @ radio-locator, 105.3 is a pretty clean channel. I know RL isn't perfect. The FCC site was running very slow. After 20 minutes I got frustrated. A translators ability to accept interference might be an advantage in "shoehorn ing in" something in here.
There probably could be a major improvement on 105.3. They would have to consider interference to Mansfield's 105.3 and co-channel 105.1 in Salem, but these are far enough away that they could probably have some nice market coverage.
If it was possible it would've been done. Translators need to protect against interference from up to a station's 45 dBu contour. 105.1 WQXK's protected contour gets very close to Cleveland (see Orange circle on this map), while WYHT is not much of a factor.
W287DQ's current CP will slightly improve its coverage in Cleveland proper slightly, but not much else it can do.
Plenty of room to expand. And if WQXK is a factor, they can go directional and cut a bit toward them.
I'm going to give away a few trade secrets here.
Don't tell anyone!
More than any other FM service, translator viability varies greatly from market to market based on local factors.
The translator service is unique in that it doesn't have to reduce power based on antenna height. It can be 250 watts at 100 feet above average terrain, or at 2500 feet above average terrain. Anywhere above about 900 feet and a 250-watt translator is actually more powerful than an equivalent "6 kW" class A that's derated for height. Up above 2000 feet and a 250-watt translator is still 250 watts, which can be more than a height-derated "25 kW" C3/B1. (Assuming there's still clearance to the contours of other signals, of course)
But here's the catch: most markets don't actually have suitable sites to build a translator that high. If the tall-ish towers in your market aren't right in the center of population, and if that population is spread out, your signal might lack "grunt" (the pseudo-technical term for the dense 65 dBu-plus coverage that can penetrate buildings and reach cheap radios) in heavily populated areas.
That's Cleveland - the only really tall towers are in the antenna farm in Parma, they're not all THAT tall, and they're just too far from the areas you'd probably most want to serve with a translator. You will never get "grunt" over downtown, or the east side 271 corridor, or the good western suburbs from a Parma translator with 250 watts at 600 or 700 feet. Even less so from one of the AM tower sites or the relatively short downtown rooftops.
And because there aren't many tall towers, it's expensive to get on the ones that do exist.
Compare that to Akron, where the Copley towers are taller, relatively close to the core of the market and the market itself is much more compact. 93.5 and 102.5 do pretty well there as a result.
And then compare THAT to a market like Atlanta, with very tall towers right in sight of Midtown, or Albuquerque, with Sandia Crest rising 2500 feet above the city. Translators in those markets can easily match the signal reach of a class A FM.
There's no way to do that in Cleveland, where those sites don't exist. The best you can do is to pick one area you want to super-serve and move the translator there, but anything beyond about 8 miles just isn't going to get a competitive signal.
Don't tell anyone!
More than any other FM service, translator viability varies greatly from market to market based on local factors.
The translator service is unique in that it doesn't have to reduce power based on antenna height. It can be 250 watts at 100 feet above average terrain, or at 2500 feet above average terrain. Anywhere above about 900 feet and a 250-watt translator is actually more powerful than an equivalent "6 kW" class A that's derated for height. Up above 2000 feet and a 250-watt translator is still 250 watts, which can be more than a height-derated "25 kW" C3/B1. (Assuming there's still clearance to the contours of other signals, of course)
But here's the catch: most markets don't actually have suitable sites to build a translator that high. If the tall-ish towers in your market aren't right in the center of population, and if that population is spread out, your signal might lack "grunt" (the pseudo-technical term for the dense 65 dBu-plus coverage that can penetrate buildings and reach cheap radios) in heavily populated areas.
That's Cleveland - the only really tall towers are in the antenna farm in Parma, they're not all THAT tall, and they're just too far from the areas you'd probably most want to serve with a translator. You will never get "grunt" over downtown, or the east side 271 corridor, or the good western suburbs from a Parma translator with 250 watts at 600 or 700 feet. Even less so from one of the AM tower sites or the relatively short downtown rooftops.
And because there aren't many tall towers, it's expensive to get on the ones that do exist.
Compare that to Akron, where the Copley towers are taller, relatively close to the core of the market and the market itself is much more compact. 93.5 and 102.5 do pretty well there as a result.
And then compare THAT to a market like Atlanta, with very tall towers right in sight of Midtown, or Albuquerque, with Sandia Crest rising 2500 feet above the city. Translators in those markets can easily match the signal reach of a class A FM.
There's no way to do that in Cleveland, where those sites don't exist. The best you can do is to pick one area you want to super-serve and move the translator there, but anything beyond about 8 miles just isn't going to get a competitive signal.
Right you are. The best coverage of any low power FM in the Cleveland metro is 92.7 which is 99 watts at 915 AAT from the channel 61 TV tower. Not bad coverage. Gets over the city pretty well (from personal listening experience) and hits some big suburbs, but yes....not the whole metro. Also. has to take a cut to the south. W224CD-FM Radio Station Coverage Map
Since it's a translator and would most likely have 1 or 2 bays could it go in the Key Tower?
VintageMac
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99.1 FM does even better than 92.7 in some places although is is 250 watts:
W256BT-FM Radio Station Coverage Map
radio-locator.com
92.7:
W224CD-FM Radio Station Coverage Map
radio-locator.com
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