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The Crowdstrike software update

This is one area where legislators, few of whom are engineers, should let the market self-regulate.

Self regulation in any field, sounds fine in theory until you realise that self interest will play a big factor in outcomes for the general public. Those industries that have previously/currently do self regulate, quite often are found to be acting with little regard for the custmer/public, when investigated.
 
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Didn't they try that with AM stereo. The FCC had a standard and the commission let a Kahn go ahead and ruin it for everyone. IIRC didn't the FCC make a "deal" for FM stereo. Motorola almost pulled it off by putting their system in their auto radios.
The difference is when the Commission approved Magnavox as the AM stereo standard, Leonard started suing everyone. Since the FCC didn't think AM stereo was worth getting into a protracted legal battle over, they essentially said fine, let the marketplace decide. Electronics manufacturers approached Leonard about building ISB equipment if Leonard gave them skin in the game, but Leonard refused the help. Magnavox said screw it, the AM stereo business is too small, and Motorola and Harris were the only manufacturers left standing. Harris backed out of the competition, leaving Motorola and Kahn. Kahn's manufacturing was home brew, and he was trying to control everything including receivers (which no manufacturer wanting to get into bed with cranky Kahn).
It was a cluster-you-know-what with Motorola ultimately taking the hollow victory. Music listeners had already abandoned AM, and radio manufacturers weren't interested. The whole concept rightfully died on the vine.
 
The whole concept rightfully died on the vine.
It really is a shame though, as the concept had promise. I've heard AM Stereo "in the wild", and in good conditions (strong local station, manageable interference), it sounds quite good compared to regular AM. It still doesn't compare to FM, of course.

Had that whole brouhaha witk Kahn not happened and the FCC more decisive in selecting and establishing a standard system, AM Stereo probably would've been more successful, I think.

But what's done is done, I suppose.

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Had that whole brouhaha witk Kahn not happened and the FCC more decisive in selecting and establishing a standard system, AM Stereo probably would've been more successful, I think.
Doubtful. If AM stereo had any chance, it should have been introduced no later than the mid-60s. But I don't want to continue devolving this thread with comparisons of modern government regulation challenges to a failed modulation technique relegated to the dustbin of history. Consumers don't care about modulation techniques and only a handful of radio nerds even remember anything about its history. It's much simpler than all that. Consumers want content they want, and regulators want to regulate.
 
Doubtful. If AM stereo had any chance, it should have been introduced no later than the mid-60s. But I don't want to continue devolving this thread with comparisons of modern government regulation challenges to a failed modulation technique relegated to the dustbin of history. Consumers don't care about modulation techniques and only a handful of radio nerds even remember anything about its history. It's much simpler than all that. Consumers want content they want, and regulators want to regulate.
The point was David posted let the market place decide. That doesn't always work. We never found out if AM stereo would have worked because of a lack of standard. Where would FM be without a stereo standard? Would the public be served if there were multiple HD systems that didn't work with each other.

IMHO You have to have rules or technology standards before you can have "a level playing field". I feel in the case of AM stereo we never had a "playing field".

Back to Cloudstrike: I saw on the news that Delta finally got their crew scheduling program going. They were booked at 85% + capacity most of this month. Supposedly last week was their busiest week. It will take time to find seats for the Delta Customers still sleeping in Atlanta airport. Thankfully it wasn't cold because the homeless folks that usually sleep there in the winter nights would have to find somewhere else to sleep.

Back before airline deregulation, I have had a couple of flight cancellations. The airline sometimes would get you a seat on another airline.
 
The point was David posted let the market place decide. That doesn't always work. We never found out if AM stereo would have worked because of a lack of standard.
But that's the point; the FCC selected a standard in the early 80's, arguably too late for AM anyway. That standard was Magnavox. Once lawsuits started or were threatened, the Commission rightfully thought the juice wasn't worth the squeeze of fighting litigation over what amounted to a simple decision. Since the Commission didn't technically oppose any of the proposed standards, they let the marketplace, aka potential vendors, fight to the death.
It's a different situation to what David was referring to. A ridiculous and benign media footnote like AM stereo can't compare with airlines or modern cyber security.
Where would FM be without a stereo standard?
The FM stereo standard was chosen in the late 50s. If an AM stereo standard had been chosen around the same timeframe, AM may have kept music longer, but there are still enough negatives with AM as a band that likely wouldn't have stopped the ultimate listener migration to superior FM.
Would the public be served if there were multiple HD systems that didn't work with each other.
There were several versions and large companies all working on IBOC modulation methods starting back in the late 70s. That included companies like AT&T. The Ubiquity method chosen was a combination of several after the original organizations bailed out, or sold out. Ultimately HD was a marketplace decision going in and what was left in the end was just approved by the Commission, except for DMR, which didn't try very hard in the States. Completely different situation than ridiculous AM stereo.
IMHO You have to have rules or technology standards before you can have "a level playing field".
That's the reverse of what happens. Industry develops a design and tests it with the idea of solving a problem that might make the company money. Potentially their competitors do the same with a different or similar design. In the case of radio or TV, the government body has rules of how a modulation complies with existing rules for occupied bandwidth and protecting the public interest. If accepted, rules are then put into place to accommodate the new technology to incorporate it alongside legacy rules/technology.
I feel in the case of AM stereo we never had a "playing field".
Mainly because it came about thirty years too late. Even then, it was still inferior to FM
Back to Cloudstrike: I saw on the news that Delta finally got their crew scheduling program going. They were booked at 85% + capacity most of this month. Supposedly last week was their busiest week. It will take time to find seats for the Delta Customers still sleeping in Atlanta airport.
Yes, Delta is going to take a beating over their slow ramp-back-up. I get it, once they get the database back they've got to reposition a lot of aircraft and crews. It's just that their competitors were able to recover so much quicker.
Back before airline deregulation, I have had a couple of flight cancellations. The airline sometimes would get you a seat on another airline.
Having your flight canceled sucks for whatever reason. The airlines do their best while trying to keep their shareholders happy. They've got consumers over a barrel because they own certain routes. It's no longer a matter of being upset at an airline because of service or a flight being canceled that one could honestly claim they won't ever fly an airline again. If you want to be a passenger on a route and don't want to pay a ton extra, your other options are driving, bus, or potentially train. But even trains get canceled or crash.
 
"Self-regulation" gave us Standard Oil and Ma Bell.
You are confusing technology with monopoly. Very different.

Government should stay out of technology unless it has health or privacy concerns.

And I'll take a well regulated Ma Bell over the current wired and wireless phone providers any day.
 
Self regulation in any field, sounds fine in theory until you realise that self interest will play a big factor in outcomes for the general public. Those industries that have previously/currently do self regulate, quite often are found to be acting with little regard for the custmer/public, when investigated.
By "self-regulation" I meant that an entire industry will dynamically self-regulate based on consumer acceptance and demand. I did not mean that companies should engage in collusion to control a sector.
 
And RCA had the patent on color TV, but they licensed it to anyone who wanted to make it. That's why they weren't a monopoly.
But RCA licensed the technology because that prevented other companies from introducing different systems or standards. By licensing to others, they kept everyone in the same "herd".
 
But that's the point; the FCC selected a standard in the early 80's, arguably too late for AM anyway. That standard was Magnavox. Once lawsuits started or were threatened, the Commission rightfully thought the juice wasn't worth the squeeze of fighting litigation over what amounted to a simple decision. Since the Commission didn't technically oppose any of the proposed standards, they let the marketplace, aka potential vendors, fight to the death.
It's a different situation to what David was referring to. A ridiculous and benign media footnote like AM stereo can't compare with airlines or modern cyber security.

The FM stereo standard was chosen in the late 50s. If an AM stereo standard had been chosen around the same timeframe, AM may have kept music longer, but there are still enough negatives with AM as a band that likely wouldn't have stopped the ultimate listener migration to superior FM.

There were several versions and large companies all working on IBOC modulation methods starting back in the late 70s. That included companies like AT&T. The Ubiquity method chosen was a combination of several after the original organizations bailed out, or sold out. Ultimately HD was a marketplace decision going in and what was left in the end was just approved by the Commission, except for DMR, which didn't try very hard in the States. Completely different situation than ridiculous AM stereo.

That's the reverse of what happens. Industry develops a design and tests it with the idea of solving a problem that might make the company money. Potentially their competitors do the same with a different or similar design. In the case of radio or TV, the government body has rules of how a modulation complies with existing rules for occupied bandwidth and protecting the public interest. If accepted, rules are then put into place to accommodate the new technology to incorporate it alongside legacy rules/technology.

Mainly because it came about thirty years too late. Even then, it was still inferior to FM

Yes, Delta is going to take a beating over their slow ramp-back-up. I get it, once they get the database back they've got to reposition a lot of aircraft and crews. It's just that their competitors were able to recover so much quicker.

Having your flight canceled sucks for whatever reason. The airlines do their best while trying to keep their shareholders happy. They've got consumers over a barrel because they own certain routes. It's no longer a matter of being upset at an airline because of service or a flight being canceled that one could honestly claim they won't ever fly an airline again. If you want to be a passenger on a route and don't want to pay a ton extra, your other options are driving, bus, or potentially train. But even trains get canceled or crash.
We know your answer to anything related to AM is "turn it off and mail the license back to the FCC.

This is a radio site and sooner or later radio will work it's way into topics.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but a station manager told me Kahn threaten to sue Motorola if their AM receivers would not work on his system too.* I believe it's called restraint of trade or something like it under the anti trust laws. So Motorola just dropped AM stereo all together. The real shame is their system was literally already in millions of cars. Somehow a lot of folks didn't know they had AM Stereo. Kinda like the Hyundai I rented last month. It has HD radio capabilities but they were turned off. I turned it on at the first red light. Not that much different between WSRV anolog and HD 1. It was a real pain to try to tune HD2 or HD3 while driving.

* He was a nice guy and could figuratively sell the ice box to the Eskimo but occasionally he stretched the truth. The paychecks didn't bounce so I never really "fact checked" him.
 
We know your answer to anything related to AM is "turn it off and mail the license back to the FCC.
That's not true either. I never said such a thing.
What I have said is AM station owners are facing increased headwinds even more than radio as an industry is because their audience is dying, literally.
I've also said that AM station owners who can't afford to maintain their equipment properly or be in compliance with the rules should plan on getting out of the business.
This is a radio site and sooner or later radio will work it's way into topics.
But tying modern topics affecting thousands or millions of people to what happened with AM stereo? Come on.
Please correct me if I am wrong, but a station manager told me Kahn threaten to sue Motorola if their AM receivers would not work on his system too.* I believe it's called restraint of trade or something like it under the anti trust laws. So Motorola just dropped AM stereo all together.
Leonard was either threatening or was in the process of suing everyone who had anything to do with AM stereo. Kahn was an equal-opportunity offender.
He even used to chew out and threaten people in the industry who were trying to help him. It was rather sad actually, unless you were one of those having to hire a lawyer to defend yourself from what amounted to a madman and his unreasonable demands. In that case, he was just a jerk.

From what I recall like others in the AM stereo race that jumped out years prior, Motorola determined there was no consumer demand for such a thing. Sales in AM stereo transmission gear stalled, partly because interfacing their exciter to older transmitters proved difficult and the gear wasn't cheap for little to no financial gain for the station.
The real shame is their system was literally already in millions of cars. Somehow a lot of folks didn't know they had AM Stereo.
Nor did they care. As I mentioned at least twice now, music listeners had long moved to the FM dial by the time factory AM stereo tuners started showing up in vehicles. My 1998 Jeep Cherokee was equipped with AM stereo, but there were no stations within my driving area still doing music, let alone broadcasting in stereo. Sometimes at night, I'd switch to AM, and the heterodyne of carriers beating used to trigger the radio to demodulate in stereo. All it sounded like was wide heterodyne. Woo hoo!
Again, most consumers don't know what stereo is. They may have heard of it, but history has shown that in itself isn't going to drive listening. Content is still King.
Kinda like the Hyundai I rented last month. It has HD radio capabilities but they were turned off. I turned it on at the first red light. Not that much different between WSRV anolog and HD 1. It was a real pain to try to tune HD2 or HD3 while driving.
HD-1 has full frequency response up to 20kHz. Analog FM cuts the high frequencies at roughly 13kHz. Not noticing the difference in high frequencies are probably age-related hearing loss.
 
Leonard was either threatening or was in the process of suing everyone who had anything to do with AM stereo. Kahn was an equal-opportunity offender.
He even used to chew out and threaten people in the industry who were trying to help him. It was rather sad actually, unless you were one of those having to hire a lawyer to defend yourself from what amounted to a madman and his unreasonable demands. In that case, he was just a jerk.

HD-1 has full frequency response up to 20kHz. Analog FM cuts the high frequencies at roughly 13kHz. Not noticing the difference in high frequencies are probably age-related hearing loss.

Was it the Kahn system where you could get two AM analog tuner radios in opposite sides of a room tune one slightly high and the other slightly lower and have "whole room" stereo?

I had a hearing test last year and I am cursed with "sensitive" hearing. I thought I was going crazy (insert joke) because I really can't do crowds at sporting events any more. Movie theaters and air travel are now painful without ear plugs. The Doctor said he had only seen 2 other patients that had improved hearing "perception" in 30 years. He said when you have a lot of anesthesia sometimes your brain wire "retrain" it's self. I am not complaining I am really glad to be alive.

IMHO Before the Internet, OTA radio and TV effected most people in the world like the internet now. Radio was a big thing. Thankfully the chances of one thing taking out most of the stations at one time never happened.
 
Was it the Kahn system where you could get two AM analog tuner radios in opposite sides of a room tune one slightly high and the other slightly lower and have "whole room" stereo?
Correct, but back in the day you needed to use slide-rule capacitance-tuned radios to accomplish it. The idea to a nerd was cute, but pretty useless to the average consumer. The 'whole room' concept wasn't a thing in reality because all you're adding is a distance delay between two radios.
I had a hearing test last year and I am cursed with "sensitive" hearing. I thought I was going crazy (insert joke) because I really can't do crowds at sporting events any more. Movie theaters and air travel are now painful without ear plugs. The Doctor said he had only seen 2 other patients that had improved hearing "perception" in 30 years. He said when you have a lot of anesthesia sometimes your brain wire "retrain" it's self. I am not complaining I am really glad to be alive.
As I understand the concept, hearing sensitivity may be good at the sacrifice of bandwidth. Midrange frequencies around speech are highly focused because the overall range at the other ends of the spectrum is less. Speaking to an Audiologist once, she mentioned that most people have sensitivities to certain frequencies over others. Those sensitivities change as one ages.
IMHO Before the Internet, OTA radio and TV effected most people in the world like the internet now. Radio was a big thing. Thankfully the chances of one thing taking out most of the stations at one time never happened.
And I don't think having choices in the way one consumes media and entertainment is a bad thing. But, to assume it would all stay the same as back in one's youth, or that it's the radio industry's fault when more competition moves in, is in my mind, a bogus argument.
 
IMHO AM stereo could have extended some full service ACs, classic country stations, and possibly oldies by a decade or more. According to amstereo.org, Kahn* had a system that worked "well" in the 1950's. Could the FCC not have adopted it because it was promoting FM? I am surprised some conspiracy folks haven't had a field day with this.

Media consumption does change. According to some history books at one time there were town cryers. Once moveable type was perfected newspapers, then radio, TV, and so on. Who knows someday they might have some kind of "mental telepathy wave" no devices at all. I hope you will be able to turn it off to go to sleep.

*If had a "workable" AM stereo in the 1950s and couldn't get it accepted, then 30 years later the commission picked another system I would be Mad too.

Another "mad scientist" was Tesla, I saw a History Channel" show about him, and apparently he had sued Marconi over patent infringement for radio. His suit won after he died. If Tesla, Marconi or someone else could have figured out a way around AM skip at night and overcome few physics laws that would have been a patent worth a lot.
 
IMHO AM stereo could have extended some full service ACs, classic country stations, and possibly oldies by a decade or more. According to amstereo.org, Kahn* had a system that worked "well" in the 1950's. Could the FCC not have adopted it because it was promoting FM? I am surprised some conspiracy folks haven't had a field day with this.
The system that "worked well" had the two channels on the separate AM sidebands, requiring two identical radio equally spaced. That is hardly "worked well" to consumers. Yes, it did create true stereo, but it was difficult and complicated to use... well beyond the interest of average consumers.
*If had a "workable" AM stereo in the 1950s and couldn't get it accepted, then 30 years later the commission picked another system I would be Mad too.
The technology of the late 50's was primitive and tube based. It's really not comparable in any way to that of the late 70's. To do in the 50's with tubes what the various AM systems did in 1978 would have filled at least half of a full rack!
Another "mad scientist" was Tesla, I saw a History Channel" show about him, and apparently he had sued Marconi over patent infringement for radio. His suit won after he died. If Tesla, Marconi or someone else could have figured out a way around AM skip at night and overcome few physics laws that would have been a patent worth a lot.
Different kinds of craziness. Kahn was just ornery and his fight to have his system selected delayed AM stereo to a time when AM for music was totally dead. In my opinion, Kahn single-handedly killed any chance of AM music formats being successful.
 
Not sure if this is related to radio but at least this is relevant to the topic of the thread.

Computers had a problem at UNC Health (The University of North Carolina's medical school and hospital) and for a while they had to go back to using paper. Maybe trying to go paperless isn't such a good idea.
 
Not sure if this is related to radio but at least this is relevant to the topic of the thread.

Computers had a problem at UNC Health (The University of North Carolina's medical school and hospital) and for a while they had to go back to using paper. Maybe trying to go paperless isn't such a good idea.
I agree wholeheartedly!

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I agree wholeheartedly!

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Computers allow health care providers to share information across the departments of large hospitals and other associated hospitals as well as among both "on campus" and other location physicians and health care providers. That means extensive test results, historical treatment and more.

In a manual system, the data has to go by mail or by sneakernet to get to those who need it. In the meantime, the patient can die.
 
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