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Good Karma To Lease 880; WCBS News Programming To End

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If WCBS's billing "came from sports" wouldn't we expect to see a bump when they grabbed the Mets contract?

I said "a large chunk." Not all of it. We're talking about percentages. At what point did WCBS add all the infomercials on the weekends? Perhaps around 2019? I'd say another large chunk comes from weekend infomercials. Marchand was talking about profits at WOR, I was talking about billing. Two different things. Once again, we know the station billed $30 million with news & sports, but we don't know if it was profitable. Audacy was billing about $10 million with alternative music and blew it up for WINS.

Down in Dallas, Audacy is morphing its news station KRLD into a talk station. (I actually was expecting that to happen to WCBS at some point.) KRLD is one of the top billing stations in Dallas. Why would they mess with it? Probably because the audience is getting older and is declining in size, similar to what we see at WCBS.

This isn't strictly an Audacy problem. All of broadcast radio is struggling. If you broaden the picture, all ad-supported media is struggling, including broadcast TV, satellite radio, and even some streaming services.
 
I disagree. It keeps quality programming on one of NYC's best AM signals.
If you consider sports to be quality program, I feel sorry for you. Talking heads that spew the same crap about the same Big 3 sports [football, basketball, baseball] every day. Ignore any other sports teams, unless they do something noteworthy ["Hey, Women's National soccer team won an Olympic Gold Medal! Sorry to waste 10 seconds of your time on reporting this. Now let's get back to discussing whether Tyrod Taylor should throw the football overhand or underhand for the next three hours"]. I can tolerate baseball but the other two soon as I hear 'foot" or "basket", my finger is stabbing the off button. My interest in sports lies with other games that don't involve those three listed.
I believe the 50,000 watt clear channel stations were licensed to "serve the nation's interest" if I remember correctly. Sometimes I wish the FCC was more like the CRTC, they don't allow stations to change their formats nilly-willy' you have to prove why you need to change your format. Least that way Canadian cities don't have 4 flavors of country stations polluting the airwaves.WCBS was one of the main news stations I listened to while driving around as there is nary a news station anywhere in my neck of the woods. National news at the top of the hour is what I usually waited for but when they basically started repeats of the overnight "local" portion, I tuned out. Listened to them most of one night driving home from Florida till the sunrise wrecked the signal.
 
Sometimes I wish the FCC was more like the CRTC, they don't allow stations to change their formats nilly-willy' you have to prove why you need to change your format. Least that way Canadian cities don't have 4 flavors of country stations polluting the airwaves.
The CRTC is hardly perfect. They allowed telecos to own the major Canadian broadcast chains. Bell is run by bean counters that are gutting the former CHUM stations and the CTV-owned stations at a shocking rate.
 
If you consider sports to be quality program, I feel sorry for you.

Compared to ethnic or religious? I'd rather have local sports. The other direction WCBS could have gone is the way KRLD is going, with 3rd string syndicated conservative talk. The shows that can't get cleared on WABC or WOR. Those are the choices. I don't consider that quality either.
I believe the 50,000 watt clear channel stations were licensed to "serve the nation's interest" if I remember correctly.
That was in 1934. I think it was Bill Paley, founder of CBS, who said "the public interest is what the public is interested in." Clearly the public is interested in sports.

I wish the FCC was more like the CRTC,
Don't get me started on government mandated Canadian content rules.
 
WINS currently carries ABC Radio News content. Perhaps they can find room to use both ABC and CBS, but I doubt it.

The only other station that could be in the mix would possibly be WOR.
In Boston, WBZ, like WCBS, a former member of the CBS Radio family, is affiliated with both ABC and CBS.

Please, not WOR. iHeart has ruined them beyond recognition, dumping most of the local content, save for the morning show, and running infomercials throughout the weekend. WOR is tasked with carrying Premiere's lineup, which pairs well with Fox News, but not CBS.
 
If you consider sports to be quality program, I feel sorry for you. Talking heads that spew the same crap about the same Big 3 sports [football, basketball, baseball] every day. Ignore any other sports teams, unless they do something noteworthy ["Hey, Women's National soccer team won an Olympic Gold Medal! Sorry to waste 10 seconds of your time on reporting this. Now let's get back to discussing whether Tyrod Taylor should throw the football overhand or underhand for the next three hours"]. I can tolerate baseball but the other two soon as I hear 'foot" or "basket", my finger is stabbing the off button. My interest in sports lies with other games that don't involve those three listed.
Sorry, but not everyone thinks like you. (And if people truly didn’t care about sports as much as we see in society, sports talk wouldn’t be a fairly lucrative format and business.) I like music as much as the next person, but I also personally find sports talk entertaining to listen/watch. I guess that makes me part of the lower common denominator, eh?
I believe the 50,000 watt clear channel stations were licensed to "serve the nation's interest" if I remember correctly.
The public dictates the marketplace.
Sometimes I wish the FCC was more like the CRTC, they don't allow stations to change their formats nilly-willy' you have to prove why you need to change your format. Least that way Canadian cities don't have 4 flavors of country stations polluting the airwaves.
And yet, those four flavours of country may pull in stellar ratings and a boat load of ad $, depending on the market. (I live in one of those.)

Plus, the local should dictate the format a station airs. The Feds are already involved with a lot of things in the broadcasting space, they don’t need to be involved in matters like that.
 
In Boston, WBZ, like WCBS, a former member of the CBS Radio family, is affiliated with both ABC and CBS.

Please, not WOR. iHeart has ruined them beyond recognition, dumping most of the local content, save for the morning show, and running infomercials throughout the weekend. WOR is tasked with carrying Premiere's lineup, which pairs well with Fox News, but not CBS.
Are there any iHeart stations with CBS outside of WBZ? They typically link with ABC or Fox or their own in-house service.
 
A sad day, for sure, and one that feels emblematic of where we are headed. Not just with people losing jobs but with the fate of commercial radio as a whole.

Obviously, this had to have been in consideration for some time. Audacy probably looked at billing and the brands of each station (notably those pesky CBS call letters) and decided it was going to keep WINS some time ago, probably when the opportunity for an FM simulcast emerged. Now, the opportunity for someone to lease the AM facility has emerged, so it's arrivederci. It's unfortunate a merger of equals in terms of format and personnel was not on the drawing board.

I just wanted to put to bed a tangent here that I saw about Canada. Wishing for Canadian media is like a death wish. It's an emaciated industry struggling with the pace of change, with American competitors in the streaming sector, and with the extent that vertical integration (read: really expensive cell phone service) has become necessary to sustain it. Corus might belong on the endangered species list. If anything, the CRTC is lumbering.
 
And yet we still have people on this site celebrating the kind of insane corporate consolidation where big, bloated, dead bankrupt companies have killed competition, killed this once-great heritage brand, killed the jobs, killed the creativity, homogenized programming, driven audiences down the drain, need I go on? Congratulations on your retirement, you are beyond lucky to be out of it.
You are blaming the wrong people.

Radio has reacted to the FCC's ill-conceived Docket 80-90 by pushing consolidation 30 years ago when half of all stations were losing money and the big, traditional owners wanted out.

Radio reacted to the 2008 recession and a loss of nearly a third of revenues by cutting costs.

Now we have a quasi-recession, enormous inflation, huge consolidation of retail leaving few local advertisers and other factors like online sales and high regulatory compliance costs in many states.

Radio has cut staff, cut promotion and cut expansion in nearly all cases.

The problems were done to radio, not by it.
 
It's unfortunate a merger of equals in terms of format and personnel was not on the drawing board.
There are no equals. NYC is the only city where there still are two traditionally staffed all-news radio stations. Bonneville couldn't do it in Seattle or Phoenix, as you well know. They had to chop away at the integrity, and both stations have diluted their content with conservative talk. As I said, that was likely to be the fate of WCBS, had they not gone with sports. The thing that made it such a great partner for Good Karma was Mets baseball.

We have a poster here from the Boston board, and he can testify what happened when the former CBS owned all-new WBZ was sold to iHeart. There were huge staff layoffs to bring the budget down to size. I see people talking about the debt from Audacy and iHeart, but the fact is that CBS Radio was losing money when it was sold to Entercom. That's why Les Moonves wanted to get rid of it. Entercom thought they could get the spending under control. They couldn't. So it's safe to say that WCBS would be in the same boat or worse if it was still owned by CBS Radio (spun off from TV).
 
When have I ever said such a thing? And who are you to suggest I did?

Also, why do you feel such a need to dominate every thread on this site with your endless gaslighting? Do you think people here want to see Big A in every third post of every thread? Do you believe people here will actually believe what you say if you talk enough, like what a great day this is for radio in New York? Maybe step back a bit and take the temperature of the room. No one here thinks that. In fact, I'll bet most of us think it's a pretty dark day for radio.
Not all of us agree with you... most of the time. But we don't post negative comments about you.

You can always set BigA to "ignore" and be done with it.

I don't think this is a dark day for radio. Here is why:

WCBS was making most of its revenue from play-by-play. The costs of the rights are unknown by me, but generally those are not big profit centers and mostly are engaged in to support a surrounding all sports format. In the case of WCBS, the surrounding format was news, and sports actually interrupted the "all news all the time" success formula for all-news stations.

Conclusion: WCBS was not really very profitable. Two news stations in the same market is one too many. Putting WINS on FM solved that AM's coverage issues in the MSA and left no future for the second AM-only news station.

Karmazan is doing something interesting by taking a different approach to sales and programming, going after sports dollars and not paying much attention to ratings. Good Karma may be creating a viable alternative for failing stations.

It's not a dark day for radio. It may, in fact, be a very important transition at a time when radio listening, expressed as Persons Using Radio, is now at just about 30% of where it was 20 years ago.
 
CBS content could still come from newscalls. You don't necessarily have to have a CBS network anchor to read copy; correspondent voicers and actualities could still be used as part of the station's own news wheel.
True and also does CBS News really care about local all news affiliates at this point given where we are today. CBS News itself is putting their feeds directly to the Audacy App for phones and car dashboards.



Interestingly Paramount puts the Audio Feed of CBS New York on the Audacy app.

Yes all CBS O&O's News feeds are on Audacy for the same reasons Paramount is putting their audio content on the Audacy app as part of the aim to get their broadcasts to the car dashboard and phones.

 
I seriously can’t believe Audacy is killing off $30 million of revenue for this.
Much of the revenue went to sports rights. They are keeping those if I understand the deal. The AM news operation was not profitable and what matters is not billing but profits.
 
Please. Big Radio consolidation has been good for no one but the few at the top.

Even the people at the top have been hurt. David Field and his father have lost millions of their own money and equity in the company their family built.
Would you like to go to family dinners and sit at a table with the father whose company you bankrupted? How does that conversation go?

It has nothing to do with consolidation. It has to do with people shifting from traditional to digital media. The move began before consolidation. Had the digital shift not happened, the audience would still be there. They left because they had options. Once they left, they didn't come back. It has also destroyed the traditional music business, especially the retail side. Take a look around at what computers and smart phones have done. We're a few years away from linear TV being completely replaced by subscription streaming services. They don't know how they're going to pay for news anymore. This is the tip of the iceberg.
 
And yet we still have people on this site celebrating the kind of insane corporate consolidation where big, bloated, dead bankrupt companies have killed competition, killed this once-great heritage brand, killed the jobs, killed the creativity, homogenized programming, driven audiences down the drain, need I go on? Congratulations on your retirement, you are beyond lucky to be out of it.

Most everyone knew formats were going to change when the Telecommunications Act was signed into law. People had differing opinions on how it might shake out and what the best way to handle it was, but most markets had entirely too many country, AC, and oldies stations. Everyone knew that. New Yorkers were somewhat insulated from that because the market had so many stations, but most markets weren’t so well-equipped.

Nobody likes to see this. Good people who did nothing wrong are losing their jobs. The color green, unfortunately, is what matters in business. I'm not saying the bottom is going to drop out soon, but, maybe, the end of news radio is closer than we realize. Why do we need it when we have push notifications directly on our phone telling us about breaking news? Want the details? Tap the notification, and you can read the story when you want. Most of those stories even have audio and video so you can hear it if you’re not in a good position to read it. Why even bother turning on the radio and waiting up to 30 minutes to hear it when you can have instant gratification?

Everything has a beginning and an end. Remember when New York had easy listening on 93.1 and 105.1? Seems like there was a third easy listening station, too, but I can’t remember which station. The market also had two commercial classical stations until the early 90’s. It had an FM station that specialized in Yiddish, Greek, and Italian programming until 1989. It sauntered over to AM and continued for a few more years, but a for profit operation can’t be a charity service forever. All of those stations saw their audience age out and no longer be in demand from advertisers. Maybe the younger generation doesn’t want to get its news off the radio anymore, and news radio is going the way of those stations. Every great radio station eventually ends up on the broadcast tower in the sky.

If you want to say consolidation didn’t achieve the desired results, knock yourself out. When the four largest radio companies have gone through bankruptcy, I can’t put up a great argument against that. Just know that the alternative was the auto industry. Twenty years ago, we had too many Ford, GM, and Chrysler dealerships, too. The Great Recession hit, and roughly half are gone now. That was the alternative to consolidation. If you wanted that for radio, more power to you, but most people wouldn’t agree.

I just wanted to put to bed a tangent here that I saw about Canada. Wishing for Canadian media is like a death wish. It's an emaciated industry struggling with the pace of change, with American competitors in the streaming sector, and with the extent that vertical integration (read: really expensive cell phone service) has become necessary to sustain it. Corus might belong on the endangered species list. If anything, the CRTC is lumbering.

Canadian radio is also more consolidated than US radio. In 1990, when half of US stations were losing money, about 60% of Canadian stations were operating in the red. It's not the situation there that most Americans think it is.
 
If you consider sports to be quality program, I feel sorry for you. Talking heads that spew the same crap about the same Big 3 sports [football, basketball, baseball] every day. Ignore any other sports teams, unless they do something noteworthy ["Hey, Women's National soccer team won an Olympic Gold Medal! Sorry to waste 10 seconds of your time on reporting this. Now let's get back to discussing whether Tyrod Taylor should throw the football overhand or underhand for the next three hours"]. I can tolerate baseball but the other two soon as I hear 'foot" or "basket", my finger is stabbing the off button. My interest in sports lies with other games that don't involve those three listed.
You are saying the same thing as people who want long playlists and lots of new releases on music stations. That does not work, and neither does talking about sports that are not mass appeal.
I believe the 50,000 watt clear channel stations were licensed to "serve the nation's interest" if I remember correctly.
That was a valid concept before man-made noise made distant reception impossible; it was back when there were less than 600 stations in the U.S. that the clears were created. Now there are around 15,000 not including LPFM and translators.
Sometimes I wish the FCC was more like the CRTC, they don't allow stations to change their formats nilly-willy' you have to prove why you need to change your format.
That is pretty much gone in Canada, where everyone agreed that AM is dead and nearly everyone except ethnic and niche broadcasters is now on FM.
Least that way Canadian cities don't have 4 flavors of country stations polluting the airwaves.
How many cities in the U.S. have four full signal country stations?

And country is one of the few formats that has managed to keep listeners coming to radio, so it is hardly polluting the airwaves. I have only two preselects in my car for local radio: the two country stations.
WCBS was one of the main news stations I listened to while driving around as there is nary a news station anywhere in my neck of the woods. National news at the top of the hour is what I usually waited for but when they basically started repeats of the overnight "local" portion, I tuned out. Listened to them most of one night driving home from Florida till the sunrise wrecked the signal.
And how did that station or any other one make any money from out of market listeners?

With inflation adjusted radio revenue off by about two-thirds in the last 24 years, how can you expect the big budgets that allowed live overnights to continue?
 
Remember when New York had easy listening on 93.1 and 105.1? Seems like there was a third easy listening station, too, but I can’t remember which station.

You're probably thinking of WVNJ at 100.3, but there was also WTFM at 103.5. All of them were gone before consolidation. There were two commercial classical stations plus WNYC. That was before FM became profitable.

If you want to say consolidation didn’t achieve the desired results, knock yourself out. When the four largest radio companies have gone through bankruptcy, I can’t put up a great argument against that. Just know that the alternative was the auto industry.

Try retail. How many department store chains have gone bankrupt? The canary in the radio coalmine was when NBC and GE got out of radio in 1988. They could see the writing on the wall. Their stations weren't as profitable as they had been, so they got out while the value was still high. After that, things kept sliding.
 
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