Larry Elder Officially Returns To Salem's Conservative Talk Lineup In Former 6-9 PM EST (3-6 PM PST) Timeslot

[michael hagerty]

I was told we were not to discuss politics on this board. Tommy Tuberville has nothing to do with LA Radio.

You have all sufficiently demonstrated your left of center political bona fides (well done as always) but you are now free to talk about radio once again.

…not a peep when I listed four Republicans people consider to have been great, but just reply once about someone else’s mention of Tommy Tuberville…

 

[Rollo-Smokes]

…not a peep when I listed four Republicans people consider to have been great, but just reply once about Tommy Tuberville…

I'm sure Tuberville was a good college football coach. But as a U.S. senator...well, he should have stuck to the gridiron. Politics isn't his best skill set. The people of Alabama can do so much better.

 

[K.M. Richards]

I was told we were not to discuss politics on this board. Tommy Tuberville has nothing to do with LA Radio.

You have all sufficiently demonstrated your left of center political bona fides (well done as always) but you are now free to talk about radio once again.

In context, we got there by comparing former talk show hosts (and other celebrities) who went into politics, which is a reasonable sidebar since Elder did run for governor and even tried briefly to become the Republican nominee for President.

I don't see anything in what was said to be a demonstration of any politics, especially left of center. And it was the well-respected poster TheBigA who brought up Tuberville's name in response to a question within that sidebar.

So I politely suggest that you are perceiving a bias in this thread which simply does not exist.

 

[Radiopaw]

Looking through this, it’s fascinating to see people’s opinions (many of whom I respect a lot) about political figures. I’m probably one of the younger people on the board; just making it to Gen Z (I’m 27) but I do appreciate the insight.

That being said, I think we don’t see more people my age on the forum as my generation has very limited experience with forums and doesn’t use them. I’m an exception as I used to read people’s opinions 15 years ago when I was too young to participate, and rightfully got banned for being underaged back then!

 

[ILOVERADIO]

Not disasterous at all. He informed and educated many in that role, those that would not be listeners of talk radio. I am sure he has no regrets about his run; he knew the odds were heavily against him.

I agree. He won among several Republicans. Don’t think any Republican was going to win the California Governor race that year.

 

[michael hagerty]

I agree. He won among several Republicans.

It was a recall election in 2021. Two questions: Should Governor Newsom be recalled and if so, who should replace him?

On the first question, 61.9% of voters (7,944,092) said no. 38.1% (4,894,473) said yes.

That rendered the second question moot, but Elder got slightly less than half the votes for a replacement (48.5%), handily beating Democrat Kevin Paffrath (9.6) and Republican former San Diego Mayor Kevin Faulconer (8.0%).

Republican businessman John Cox, who had lost by exactly the same margin by which the recall failed (61.9%-38.1%) to Newsom in 2018, had 4.1%, then-Assemblyman and now Congressman Kevin Kiley, also a Republican, had 3.5% and Caitlyn Jenner, running as a Republican, 1%.

Don’t think any Republican was going to win the California Governor race that year.

The Republicans had high hopes. Getting a recall of a California Governor on a ballot is a rare thing, and they took the state house from Democrats in the 2003 recall of Gray Davis, which put Arnold Schwarzenegger in as Governor for eight years.

But, again---the margin of question one---should Governor Newsom be recalled---was the same margin by which he was elected over John Cox three years earlier.

 

[ChannelFlipper]

It was a recall election in 2021. Two questions: Should Governor Newsom be recalled and if so, who should replace him?

On the first question, 61.9% of voters (7,944,092) said no. 38.1% (4,894,473) said yes.

That rendered the second question moot, but Elder got slightly less than half the votes for a replacement (48.5%), handily beating Democrat Kevin Paffrath (9.6) and Republican former San Diego Mayor Kevin Faulconer (8.0%).

Republican businessman John Cox, who had lost by exactly the same margin by which the recall failed (61.9%-38.1%) to Newsom in 2018, had 4.1%, then-Assemblyman and now Congressman Kevin Kiley, also a Republican, had 3.5% and Caitlyn Jenner, running as a Republican, 1%.



The Republicans had high hopes. Getting a recall of a California Governor on a ballot is a rare thing, and they took the state house from Democrats in the 2003 recall of Gray Davis, which put Arnold Schwarzenegger in as Governor for eight years.

But, again---the margin of question one---should Governor Newsom be recalled---was the same margin by which he was elected over John Cox three years earlier.

California never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

 

[michael hagerty]

California never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

He's ChannelFlipper and he approves that message.

 

[Mark Roberts]

It was a recall election in 2021. Two questions: Should Governor Newsom be recalled and if so, who should replace him?

On the first question, 61.9% of voters (7,944,092) said no. 38.1% (4,894,473) said yes.

That rendered the second question moot, but Elder got slightly less than half the votes for a replacement (48.5%), handily beating Democrat Kevin Paffrath (9.6) and Republican former San Diego Mayor Kevin Faulconer (8.0%).

Republican businessman John Cox, who had lost by exactly the same margin by which the recall failed (61.9%-38.1%) to Newsom in 2018, had 4.1%, then-Assemblyman and now Congressman Kevin Kiley, also a Republican, had 3.5% and Caitlyn Jenner, running as a Republican, 1%.

The Republicans had high hopes. Getting a recall of a California Governor on a ballot is a rare thing, and they took the state house from Democrats in the 2003 recall of Gray Davis, which put Arnold Schwarzenegger in as Governor for eight years.

As I recall, though, the prospect of another recall's succeeding was not taken seriously by most informed observers. The 2003 situation had been chaotic enough. If the 2021 recall had been taken seriously by voters, I suspect the proportions of votes in the second recall would have been different. As it was, it demonstrated how weakened the Republican party had become in California and, ultimately, cemented Newsom's position as governor.

 

[michael hagerty]

As I recall, though, the prospect of another recall's succeeding was not taken seriously by most informed observers. The 2003 situation had been chaotic enough. If the 2021 recall had been taken seriously by voters, I suspect the proportions of votes in the second recall would have been different. As it was, it demonstrated how weakened the Republican party had become in California and, ultimately, cemented Newsom's position as governor.

Clearly, it had to be serious for a recall to make it to the ballot and for people to vote for a change as they did in 2003.

But---interesting statistic. 7,974,894 votes were cast in the 2003 recall---for and against.

In the 2021 recall, very nearly that many voted to keep Governor Newsom: 7,944,092. Total votes cast: 12,838,565.

That suggests to me that Californians took the 2021 recall election VERY seriously. That's an increase in participation far beyond the population growth in the intervening 18 years.

 

[TheBigA]

In the 2021 recall, very nearly that many voted to keep Governor Newsom: 7,944,092. Total votes cast: 12,838,565.

Out of 22 million registered voters

 

[K.M. Richards]

Out of 22 million registered voters

So there was the usual amount of voter apathy. So what? I could put a ballot measure guaranteeing a monthly payment of $1000 to everyone who consistently voted in statewide elections and I still couldn't get half the registered voters to bother.

 

[michael hagerty]

Out of 22 million registered voters

Again, the point is that the 2021 recall was taken seriously by California voters. 22.1 million registered voters, 12.8 million who turned out.

In 2003, it was 15.3 million registered voters and 7.9 million who turned out.

 

[Mark Roberts]

Clearly, it had to be serious for a recall to make it to the ballot and for people to vote for a change as they did in 2003.

But---interesting statistic. 7,974,894 votes were cast in the 2003 recall---for and against.

In the 2021 recall, very nearly that many voted to keep Governor Newsom: 7,944,092. Total votes cast: 12,838,565.

That suggests to me that Californians took the 2021 recall election VERY seriously. That's an increase in participation far beyond the population growth in the intervening 18 years.

That is interesting. From what I recall of media coverage at the time, it didn't seem as if the outcome was going to be in doubt. Of course, I was in Oakland at the time. We once had a Republican neighbor up the street, judging by the yard signs they'd put up, but they moved out about 10 years earlier.

 

[FledSoCal]

Calif voters want that super-majority, and keep it that way.

Which makes the occassional radio program that rage against the machine so darn entertaining. I enjoy that sorta California radio (gives me "Logan's Run" vibes), as long as I'm listening from afar, lol.

But I'm a bit of a hypocrite, as I held onto my SoCal real estate holdings, so there is that...

 

[michael hagerty]

That is interesting. From what I recall of media coverage at the time, it didn't seem as if the outcome was going to be in doubt. Of course, I was in Oakland at the time. We once had a Republican neighbor up the street, judging by the yard signs they'd put up, but they moved out about 10 years earlier.

I did a series of pieces for CapRadio on recalls in California around that time.

I learned some fascinating (to me, anyway) things doing the research for that piece. There were three recall drives against Ronald Reagan when he was Governor of California---the first one launched only four months after he took office.

There were five against Jerry Brown the first time he was governor (1975-83), eleven (the record) against George Deukmejian ('83-'91), seven against Pete Wilson ('91-'99), and three against Gray Davis ('99-'03---the last attempt is the one that got him out of office.

Also seven against Arnold Schwarzenegger ('03-'10), and five against Jerry Brown the second time around ('11-'19).

And there have been seven against Gavin Newsom in the last five years.

All told, there have been 55 attempts to recall Governors of California in the last 111 years. Two have made it to the ballot. Only one resulted in the recall and removal of a governor.

Why so lopsided? Because the bar is low to start a recall drive. You only need 50 verified signatures from registered voters.

But the next step is tougher. To qualify for the ballot, you have to have verified signatures equal to or greater than 12% of the number of votes cast for the official in the previous election.

That means a recall against Governor Newsom today would need 776,411 verified signatures, and they have 160 days---just under six months---to collect those signatures.

Better get close to a million to offset people who aren't registered, signed more than one petition or wrote in a fake name.

And IF you accomplish that and get on the ballot, you've got to come up with the compelling argument to throw out a sitting governor before the end of his/her term.

You also have to answer some tough questions. In 2021, some of the organizers of the Newsom recall were also vocal opponents of the first Donald Trump impeachment, on the grounds that it was an attempt to overturn the will of the voters. That put them in a tough spot when asked how the recall was any different, apart from the lack of any alleged high crimes and misdemeanors.

 

[lanceventa]

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