It seems like Saul has removed oldies from 105.1 HD4 and replaced it with the classic country format.
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Oldies gone from 105.1 HD4
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Really sad to hear this. Now there really is no oldies station available over the air in Southern California (except in Palm Springs / El Centro). You would think somebody would have the format on an HD sub channel!
Palm Springs and El Centro are very separate markets. Are you saying that there is also an "oldies" station in the area between Brawley and Calexico (Imperial County)?
I don't think any Palm Springs market station can be heard in El Centro or Calexico.
Probably referring to full service Oldies KXO 1230 El Centro.
Gotcha. That one barely makes it to Brawly and is kind of noisy in Calexico. But it is a heritage station, the first in that whole area... and with 3-lettter calls!
When did the FCC (or it's forerunner) stop awarding three letter call letters?
"The last new three-letter call assignment, excluding reassignments of previously used calls for FM and TV sister stations, was WIS (now WVOC), 'Wonderful Iodine State' in Columbia, South Carolina on January 23, 1930."
Source: Mystique of the Three Letter Callsigns
K.M. Richards
Program Director, The Eighties Channel™
And you are going to see a lot more of that, I believe, by the end of the decade. The audience is literally dying off and stations are abandoning the format in increasing numbers.
You may call it "really sad" but I call it "reality".
But then why do we see more stations becoming Oldies? Like WOXY-FM Cincinnati, OH and WRJN-FM Racine becoming the 3rd Oldies station in the Milwaukee area. My feeling is that as a radio listeners average age grows older, so does the music you hear on radio.
K.M. Richards
Program Director, The Eighties Channel™
I actually have some inside information on what's going on with WOXY, but cannot talk openly, Suffice it to say that the recent flip -- which is a simulcast of another out-of-market station -- is not permanent.
WRJN is a case where switching a low-rated station from progressive talk (which was a bad move as that has proven time and again) back to a format it had abandoned less than a year earlier for the talk format. Often, when that is the case, it's more "let's go back to what we were doing while we figure out what to really do with this albatross."
So I'm afraid you chose two poor examples to try to make your point. Both are anomalies.
I just think that Oldies won't be disappearing quickly, if at all. It's been slowly evolving to what is now a 70's focus, and the 60's being dialed back. Classic Hits is evolving forward, so why can't Oldies do the same and continue to exist. We've already seen the end of the 50'/60's version.
To clarify my comment on music getting older on the radio. We are seeing more flips for older music formats such as Classic Hits,and a lot less becoming CHR for example.
To clarify my comment on music getting older on the radio. We are seeing more flips for older music formats such as Classic Hits,and a lot less becoming CHR for example.
K.M. Richards
Program Director, The Eighties Channel™
The simple answer, Kat ... to the purists, any Oldies station that doesn't go all the way back isn't "really" an Oldies station. They do not want "60s dialed back and a 70s focus".
And Classic Hits is holding its own compared to Oldies in terms of format flips. Perhaps you can show us with citations why you feel otherwise?
And Classic Hits is holding its own compared to Oldies in terms of format flips. Perhaps you can show us with citations why you feel otherwise?
This was reported on Tuesday
radioinsight.com
And is consistent with what was reported earlier in the month.
Go Country Gold Launches In Los Angeles
After stunting with all-Taylor Swift for the month of September, Mount Wilson FM Broadcasters has launched Classic Country "Go Country
radioinsight.com
And is consistent with what was reported earlier in the month.
I'm in total agreement of the fact that 'time marches on', and nothing lasts forever. Which is why you hear songs from the early 80's being added to the once sacred 60' s and 70's only, picking up artists and songs fallen by the wayside on Classic Hits. Honestly, I can't cite any examples where the 60's are played more than 70's...anywhere. And really, there will be a time when this argument becomes obsolete as more people get their 50's or 60's from, for example the decades channel on the iHeart app, and care less about whether or not they can hear their favorite music on OTA radio.
An example of adapting might be the LRN adult standards affiliates that were moved over to one of their 3 oldies formats, after the plug was pulled on that format. Another example of adapt or die.
EDIT: Now don't laugh too hard, there's those 4 hours of oldies we now get from XEPRS...Yeah, I know, just kidding!
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Now Classic Country like KMZT seems to still be in a upswing in popularity, most notably the debut of Hank 101.5 in Seattle, a major market. Another growing format for an older but still a saleable demo. Focusing on the 80''s to 00''s, and no longer, say the 60's to 80's.This was reported on Tuesday
Go Country Gold Launches In Los Angeles
After stunting with all-Taylor Swift for the month of September, Mount Wilson FM Broadcasters has launched Classic Country "Go Country
And is consistent with what was reported earlier in the month.
With new music being so bad don’t be surprised to find new generations discovering older music. It can happen. The last decade has taught me that nothing conventional holds anymore.
K.M. Richards
Program Director, The Eighties Channel™
I am already seeing that with the strong 25-49 listening to my own format in Albuquerque.
That's not going to save traditional Oldies, though. Even the 25-49's don't go farther back than the early 80's in musical likes.
LAOldies.com redirects to the Mount Wilson website too, no more stream.
I guess if you want your fix of "Brown Eyed Girl", you'll have to head over to the brokered program on 10~ninety !!
I guess if you want your fix of "Brown Eyed Girl", you'll have to head over to the brokered program on 10~ninety !!
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