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CTListener said:
All stylebooks agree on capitalization of God when referring to a deity of a specific faith. Pronouns, however, are a different story, at least for AP. The pronouns for God and Jesus are lowercase: he, him, his. I worked with a very religious Christian reporter who would get quite angry with me when I would lowercase those pronouns in editing her stories that mentioned Jesus or God. I never budged. We were friends and country music fans, often going to concerts together, but eventually drifted apart over her insistence that non-Christians would never get to heaven (Heaven?) unless they converted. Not the sort of thing one brings up on a date, even with a Jewish guy who doesn't believe in hell and has his doubts about an actual heaven.
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I agree on the stylebook guide. It is God, Allah, and other words representing a deity that should be capitalized. I also agree with you that "he" and "him" and the like are not capitalized. English is not German, where every other word seems to be capitalized, some with reasoning that I just don't understand... but German is not a language I do particularly well in.
 
CTListener said:
All stylebooks agree on capitalization of God when referring to a deity of a specific faith. Pronouns, however, are a different story, at least for AP. The pronouns for God and Jesus are lowercase: he, him, his. I worked with a very religious Christian reporter who would get quite angry with me when I would lowercase those pronouns in editing her stories that mentioned Jesus or God. I never budged. We were friends and country music fans, often going to concerts together, but eventually drifted apart over her insistence that non-Christians would never get to heaven (Heaven?) unless they converted. Not the sort of thing one brings up on a date, even with a Jewish guy who doesn't believe in hell and has his doubts about an actual heaven.
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Most major English translations of the Bible do NOT capitalize the pronouns for God and Jesus. A few of the more evangelically-biased translations, however, DO capitalize the pronouns, although it was not done so in the Hebrew or Greek originals.
 
nowradioguy said:
Unfortunately, David, I see this more and more in print journalism and, of course, on the internet.
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Well... at least this is a clue that immediately tells me "don't read any further". I don't reciprocate with respect towards disrespectful people.
 
DavidEduardo said:
Well... at least this is a clue that immediately tells me "don't read any further". I don't reciprocate with respect towards disrespectful people.
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My job was simply to correct the style error, uppercasing "god" or lowercasing "Him" with no value judgment attached. I never considered either error disrespectful. One reporter quoted a woman in a story as saying, "Oh my god." I corrected it to "Oh my God" and he asked me why. I told him and he replied "But she was taking God's name in vain!" So here we had someone with a deep respect for God and people who believe in him defending the lowercase option. The stylebook doesn't (or didn't, as of 2020) address "Oh my God/god," so, at least for me, there was no option.
 
EMF is a big player but as pointed out anyone could put effort into fund raising and take over a station to do something similar with other music formats.

We see that right in Boston with WJIB which has been a hobby project for over 20 years along with a handful of sister stations. WJIB, now with a new owner does fund raising periodically to cover expenses and there was some talk of setting up an organization that would oversee it eventually to keep it going if/when the owner no longer can.

Going back to the early days of radio, various companies ran stations to either sell radios or self promote their products. Think WLW and Crosley, WLS and Sears, WTIC insurance company owned and many others. Even currently WSM as part of the grand ole opry machine and WABC as a billionaires project. I think we've seen a bit of this with sports teams getting involved in part ownership of stations as well.

I can see radio increasingly heading back to this type of model.
 
spt87 said:
EMF is a big player but as pointed out anyone could put effort into fund raising and take over a station to do something similar with other music formats.

We see that right in Boston with WJIB which has been a hobby project for over 20 years along with a handful of sister stations. WJIB, now with a new owner does fund raising periodically to cover expenses and there was some talk of setting up an organization that would oversee it eventually to keep it going if/when the owner no longer can.

Going back to the early days of radio, various companies ran stations to either sell radios or self promote their products. Think WLW and Crosley, WLS and Sears, WTIC insurance company owned and many others. Even currently WSM as part of the grand ole opry machine and WABC as a billionaires project. I think we've seen a bit of this with sports teams getting involved in part ownership of stations as well.

I can see radio increasingly heading back to this type of model.
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Let's not forget:

WRCA (later WNBC), NY - owned by RCA
WGY, Schenectady - owned by GE
KDKA, Pittsburgh - owned by Westinghouse
WEFM, Chicago - owned by Zenith Radio Corp.
 
nowradioguy said:
Let's not forget:

WRCA (later WNBC), NY - owned by RCA
WGY, Schenectady - owned by GE
KDKA, Pittsburgh - owned by Westinghouse
WEFM, Chicago - owned by Zenith Radio Corp.
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At one time, radio was high tech. Those were the big tech companies of their day. Today, big tech is also in radio, but they do streaming radio.

Those new companies don't even want to acknowledge the existence of broadcast radio.
 
DavidEduardo said:
Loo at this: https://www.worldradiohistory.com/A.../Listeners-Official-Radio-Guide-1929-Fall.pdf

Every radio station in the US is listed with its owner. See how many stations were owned by different large businesses.
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VERY impressive compilation, David. My appreciation for your sharing it with us.

And, yes, I do remember a lot of those call letters on stations in my neck of the woods (New England).

(Interesting - to me, anyway - Aside: WAAF was a Chicago station, and WCBS was in Springfield, IL.)

Radio is a big part of our heritage. That's what brings us to these forums in the first place.
 
nowradioguy said:
VERY impressive compilation, David. My appreciation for your sharing it with us.
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Go to RADIO LOG BOOKS - Radio station logbooks and listings from 1923 to 2022.

There are hundreds of those logbooks and lists starting in the early 1920's and extending to lists from just last year. There are also links in the right-hand column to specific collections, like the Vane Jones logs and, most interestingly, the the Radex lists that also include lots of articles about stations and radios.
nowradioguy said:
(Interesting - to me, anyway - Aside: WAAF was a Chicago station, and WCBS was in Springfield, IL.)
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Good catch!
nowradioguy said:
Radio is a big part of our heritage. That's what brings us to these forums in the first place.
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And that is why I try to preserve a lot of its history at www.worldradiohistory.com
 
Almost all FM call signs were reused AM call signs from the 20's. WBCN included. If you look at the EKKO Radio Stamps that was where I first realized it. I thought I knew a lot about FM radio history and then I saw all these stamps with the same call signs before FM was invented.
 
DavidEduardo said:
Go to RADIO LOG BOOKS - Radio station logbooks and listings from 1923 to 2022.

There are hundreds of those logbooks and lists starting in the early 1920's and extending to lists from just last year. There are also links in the right-hand column to specific collections, like the Vane Jones logs and, most interestingly, the the Radex lists that also include lots of articles about stations and radios.


Good catch!

And that is why I try to preserve a lot of its history at www.worldradiohistory.com
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I've had your site Bookmarked for years now, David. I'm glad you preserved those catalogs from RCA, Collins, and Gates Radio broadcast equipment. When i was still a pup in the early 1960s, I'd write a letter to the manufacturers to request a copy of their broadcast equipment catalogs. Almost everyone I wrote to sent me a catalog! I had built up quite a collection and kept it until I cleaned out my cellar in 2019. You know what they say: the day AFTER you throw something away is when you discover you needed it for whatever reason. Besides featuring their latest and greatest product offerings, those catalogs often included reference material for station engineers.
 
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