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[oldies76]

It is sad (to me) that it has to be this way, but it is. KRTH and other similar stations of the past that we long for will never again be what they were - not on the weekends, not overnights, not on Labor Day. Not happening, period.

OK, back to my Olivia Newton-John playlist!

Labor Day….oh yes! Thanks Flipper. It’s ok, it may be dead wrong to him, but it’s not in other smaller markets. 🙂

 

[K.M. Richards]

Even in the 80s, most CHR stations rarely played songs below the Top 20. So the shows are playing songs now that only a small number of stations played when they were currents. Some songs managed to grow into bigger hits through increased airplay and promotion. But the majority died horrible deaths in the thirties or lower. If the people didn't like them then, why should they like them now, especially when they're taken out of the context of their time?

Here is what I know, from my own experience with AT 40: The 80s on KRKE. (Remember, I get to see the cue sheets for both the "A" and "B" shows.)

The typical 1980-1981-1982 show is going to be 40% to 50% as you describe, A. Somewhere around 20% to 25% are going to still be getting power or secondary airplay. A handful are still okay for my "Forgotten 45s" feature.

The typical 1986-1987-1988 show has 50% to 60% power/secondaries, maybe 10% stiffs, and the rest F45s.

That's still enough to make the show work for nostalgia purposes, if we avoid they years that are to-heavy with "I don't remember that" songs.

 

[TheBigA]

The typical 1986-1987-1988 show has 50% to 60% power/secondaries, maybe 10% stiffs, and the rest F45s.

Would you listen to a radio station with 10% stiffs? To call them stiff is really kind. They were stiff then. By now, they're "decomposed."

If I was doing a show like this, I'd repackage it. This to me is lazy radio.

 

[oldies76]

Fair enough, but some listeners like Oldies and myself are not satisfied with the same tired 500 song rotation of completely burned to a crisp songs. I know you play what the public wants, and I don't begrudge that at all. You do what you gotta do. If I ran a station, I wouldn't do anything different myself (sorry Oldies!). It's not that I would just be all about the money, but...well, yes I would.

But in the meantime, I am always searching for other outlets that do serve my need for more variety. They are hard to find, but they do exist. One of the things I listen to a lot is the weekly Top 40 countdown on the Sirius 80s on 8 channel, especially when they play those overlooked early 80s years. The inflexibility of the format forces them to play the songs that were hits then (stiffs too!) but never see any airplay on other 80s channels or even on the 80s on 8 regular playlist . It's artists like Juice Newton and George Benson or an odd early New Wave track that give the format the flavor it definitely needs.

And I agree 100%. Spot on.

 

[K.M. Richards]

Would you listen to a radio station with 10% stiffs? To call them stiff is really kind. They were stiff then. By now, they're "decomposed."

If I was doing a show like this, I'd repackage it. This to me is lazy radio.

As I said, we carry the show as nostalgia. The problem, of course, is that Premiere presents the shows as they originally aired, except for combining segments so as not to duplicate the original format of six breaks an hour (which you and I both know would never fly with listeners now). There is a logistics problem with trying to reformat it to eliminate the less familiar songs ... especially since we don't have Mr. Kasem around to cut any new voicetracks.

And as far as I can determine from the affiliation contract, we're not supposed to re-edit the show ourselves, other than deciding whether or not to play the optional "extra" every hour. I don't think most individual stations have the production time to do it, and Premiere certainly doesn't seem eager to do it either.

Not to mention that, depending on the chart for the week being played, the number of songs that might deserve to be excised will vary.

The guy who remastered the series for Premiere, Shannon Lynn, maintains a website with the original cue sheets for every AT40 that originally aired (even the ones with guest hosts that Premiere never sends out). Here are the cue sheets from his site for the past two weekends:

October 9, 1986
October 13, 1984 (you need to scroll down to page 10 for the cue sheets, because whenever Shannon has the original production notes he has included them in the PDF)

How would you edit and condense those without it sounding completely disjointed? I don't see an easy answer.

And this is only the 80's shows. Premiere also syndicates the ones from the 70's, which probably have aged worse.

 

[KilowattKat]

As I said, we carry the show as nostalgia. The problem, of course, is that Premiere presents the shows as they originally aired, except for combining segments so as not to duplicate the original format of six breaks an hour (which you and I both know would never fly with listeners now). There is a logistics problem with trying to reformat it to eliminate the less familiar songs ... especially since we don't have Mr. Kasem around to cut any new voicetracks.

And as far as I can determine from the affiliation contract, we're not supposed to re-edit the show ourselves, other than deciding whether or not to play the optional "extra" every hour. I don't think most individual stations have the production time to do it, and Premiere certainly doesn't seem eager to do it either.

Not to mention that, depending on the chart for the week being played, the number of songs that might deserve to be excised will vary.

The guy who remastered the series for Premiere, Shannon Lynn, maintains a website with the original cue sheets for every AT40 that originally aired (even the ones with guest hosts that Premiere never sends out). Here are the cue sheets from his site for the past two weekends:

October 9, 1986
October 13, 1984 (you need to scroll down to page 10 for the cue sheets, because whenever Shannon has the original production notes he has included them in the PDF)

How would you edit and condense those without it sounding completely disjointed? I don't see an easy answer.

And this is only the 80's shows. Premiere also syndicates the ones from the 70's, which probably have aged worse.

Re-edit AT40? That's like redesigning the pyramids in Egypt! That's the appeal, listening to the show exactly how it aired the first time. That would upset a lot of AT40 fans. Essentialy, ruining the show

 

[K.M. Richards]

Re-edit AT40? That's like redesigning the pyramids in Egypt! That's the appeal, listening to the show exactly how it aired the first time. That would upset a lot of AT40 fans. Essentialy, ruining the show

I have always presumed that to be the case, Kat. It's the nostalgia value.

But @TheBigA seems to think otherwise ... unless I misinterpreted his meaning in post #263.

 

[TheBigA]

And as far as I can determine from the affiliation contract, we're not supposed to re-edit the show ourselves,

Correct and I didn't mean to say that you should. It was more a comment about Premiere.

Re-edit AT40? That's like redesigning the pyramids in Egypt! That's the appeal, listening to the show exactly how it aired the first time. That would upset a lot of AT40 fans. Essentialy, ruining the show

As I often say, radio is not a museum.

FYI: Bob Kingsley did a repackage of his American Country Countdown shows before his death. It took into account some of the things we talked about in this thread.

Bob Kingsley Reunites with ‘ACC.’

“Country Top 40” host Bob Kingsley is reuniting with a country radio brand he helped build over the course of three decades. Kingsley will host the newly-created “American Country Countdown

www.insideradio.com

 

[KilowattKat]

Correct and I didn't mean to say that you should. It was more a comment about Premiere.



As I often say, radio is not a museum.

FYI: Bob Kingsley did a repackage of his American Country Countdown shows before his death. It took into account some of the things we talked about in this thread.

Bob Kingsley Reunites with ‘ACC.’

“Country Top 40” host Bob Kingsley is reuniting with a country radio brand he helped build over the course of three decades. Kingsley will host the newly-created “American Country Countdown

www.insideradio.com

Bob Kingsley was still alive to do a repackage of his show, Casey Kasem is not. And how exactly is his show repackaged? It's still 3 hours in length.

Also, museums are popular with a lot of people, and fun to visit!

 

[TheBigA]

Bob Kingsley was still alive to do a repackage of his show, Casey Kasem is not. And how exactly is his show repackaged? It's still 3 hours in length.

The original show was four hours. So they eliminated the stiffs. He provided the context that's missing in the Casey shows.

Also, museums are popular with a lot of people, and fun to visit!

I'm not doubting there's an audience for this. Just that it would reach more people if it was done better.

 

[radiofan2023]

I have always presumed that to be the case, Kat. It's the nostalgia value.

But @TheBigA seems to think otherwise ... unless I misinterpreted his meaning in post #263.

Also re-editing it would be “ponderous, man, ponderous”!

 

[ChannelFlipper]

Also re-editing it would be “ponderous, man, ponderous”!

"Please join me this Saturday morning and every Saturday morning at Two. TWO!!??"

 

[K.M. Richards]

Also re-editing it would be “ponderous, man, ponderous”!

"Please join me this Saturday morning and every Saturday morning at Two. TWO!!??"

At least it's not "a g-ddamn dead dog dedication out of a slow song. And where are those pictures I was supposed to sign?"

 

[jbl]

Was listening to 1090 and El Chingon said that three more DJ's will be starting next week. Wonder what that means.

 

[K.M. Richards]

Was listening to 1090 and El Chingon said that three more DJ's will be starting next week. Wonder what that means.

It means he hasn't run out of money yet to pay for brokered time.

 

[davideduardo]

Was listening to 1090 and El Chingon said that three more DJ's will be starting next week. Wonder what that means.

Well, I know what "El Chingón " means and I can't translate to English as it is a "dirty word".

 

[exbloguero]

Well, I know what "El Chingón " means and I can't translate to English as it is a "dirty word".

Well, it's already very normalized in the northern part of Mexico. Only the very conservative say that that word is vulgar. Even in my city there was an FM radio with that name...

 

[michael hagerty]

Well, it's already very normalized in the northern part of Mexico. Only the very conservative say that that word is vulgar. Even in my city there was an FM radio with that name...

Language changes. When I was in high school, you could get suspended for saying "sucks" to a teacher, because there was a body part understood to follow that word. It was at least ten years before "sucks" became disassociated from the vulgar, sexualized term and simply became an alternative to "stinks".

 

[K.M. Richards]

Well, I know what "El Chingón " means and I can't translate to English as it is a "dirty word".

Depends. I found these "clean" definitions at Dictionary.com:

• an intelligent, skilled, capable person
• someone or something cool, awesome, very good
• a tough, uncompromising, or intimidating person

But I also found the slang definition at SpanishDictionary.com, and if it is the one David is thinking of, I think it's actually pretty tame these days.

 

[michael hagerty]

Depends. I found these "clean" definitions at Dictionary.com:

• an intelligent, skilled, capable person
• someone or something cool, awesome, very good
• a tough, uncompromising, or intimidating person

But I also found the slang definition at SpanishDictionary.com, and if it is the one David is thinking of, I think it's actually pretty tame these days.

Hmm. I thought it was related to "chingar". And no, I'm not gonna even link to that.