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Saving AM Radio

Sarcasm is not an endearing quality
I guess we're not going to be compatible and there is no point in me asking you to the prom.
I was responding to the often-made assertion that AM radio has no chance because it can't be heard above the noise.
In many and I dare say MOST cases, unless you live not too many miles away from a well maintained transmitter plant it is annoying to listen to. Oddly in some forum in Radio Discussion there was talk about the annoying frequency response of Sirius XM radio. If people have trouble dealing with that I have to believe they would have little patience twisting their Sony table radio to hear an AM station over the static of the lights they turned on to walk to the table to tun the radio. If you enjoy AM great. If the station is profitable great. My argument is and has been against the demands that manufacturers include AM (and the added cost of including it) in new radios. Let the marketplace choose. Also, even without direct subsidies, there are hits that some wish there would be government aid to AM. I am against that completely. Let the marketplace support it or abandon it. (PBS too)
80 million also listen to AM; a third of all adults listen at some point in a week.
Good for them and you. Next year it will be fewer and fewer after that. Enjoy it while the advertisers still support it, but be realistic. We've all read revenue figures. Even the big KFI type stations are not making near what they were five years ago. That will not change.
Blowing up an FM so that AM programming can be moved there is not an idea, but in many markets that is what would need to happen if there was an FCC or other group's focus to kill off AM because "no one can hear it above the noise".
No one is suggesting that. Common sense says that good programming currently on AM will find an outlet after AM is gone. Some will migrate to FM. If the FM programming is more successful, it will stay. If it is not as potentially profitable as the format being considered to replace it, it will vanish. That's good common sense. No one will blow up a money making FM station for the New Coke. (Possible exception being WCBS FM for Jack in the early 2000s- but they learned and when back to the original formula)
When those now 40 - 45 year olds start to age out of advertiser preferred demos, radio is going to be in a world of hurt unless something new has been nurtured and developed.
Very true. And as add dollars become harder and harder to come by, it would benefit the survivors if there were fewer pies on the shelf. I don't see how the number of stations currently operating can survive as the revenue continues to decline.

the guy who posted that his Gen-Z neighbors were not allergic to listening to AM suggests to me WITH proper marketing (something radio knows how to do), an experiment that emphasizes the uniqueness of the program and the additional availability on a telephone App is something that the next generation might bite on. It will cost money, but doing nothing will be eventually also prove to be expensive.
Admittedly I'm a dinosaur and can only use the phone for the three feet my kitchen wall phone cord stretches, but wouldn't an app on a phone mean that you'd use the phone to hear the program? Would the AM experimental program you are speaking of, when played through the app make the AM station you are trying to support superfluos?
 
My argument is and has been against the demands that manufacturers include AM (and the added cost of including it) in new radios

I've been looking to see if there are any AM-only radios available. Can anyone buy an AM radio without FM? I didn't see any on Amazon. Seems to me the FCC once required all radios to include FM.
 
I've been looking to see if there are any AM-only radios available. Can anyone buy an AM radio without FM? I didn't see any on Amazon. Seems to me the FCC once required all radios to include FM.
They did at about the time they required UHF tuners with VHF on new televisions. Today with a limited marketplace for new AM radios (there are a million radios out there and lots of used ones in thrift stores) I don't see the need to force a manufacturer to make something that adds cost to the product for limited customers. That's my argument. You can find an AM radio if you need one. If you're over 40, you probably have a half dozen stored on a shelf in the basement. If there were a big market for them, they'd be on store shelves.
 
If there were a big market for them, they'd be on store shelves.

Depends on the stores. That applies to a lot of things, not just AM, and not just radios. With online shopping replacing brick & mortar, you can't base the market for things based on what's in stores. The point is if someone wants to make something and call it a radio, it should include the two bands used by people in this country. It's not as though the cost of adding it is prohibitive. I can imagine a judge asking that question if this went to court. Why would you not?
 
I've been looking to see if there are any AM-only radios available. Can anyone buy an AM radio without FM? I didn't see any on Amazon. Seems to me the FCC once required all radios to include FM.
You can in an antique shop. My grandfather had an old Crosley AM only console with a 10 inch speaker made of real wood.
By the time he passed it was in the attic.
I'm still kicking myself for pitching it out when we got the house ready to sell.
 
You can in an antique shop. My grandfather had an old Crosley AM only console with a 10 inch speaker made of real wood.
By the time he passed it was in the attic.
I'm still kicking myself for pitching it out when we got the house ready to sell.
Radio Shack was still selling AM-only pocket radios into the '70s, or maybe even the '80s.
 
The all channel receiver act of 1961
Show me where that contained any radio mandates. I'll wait.

 
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Show me where that contained any radio mandates. I'll wait.

I stand corrected. I thought the did pass a rule but I am mistaken. It was the marketplace that caused FM to be included in auto and other receivers. The same marketplace that should allow it to vanish from cars and other receivers
 
If you were on a task force assigned by the FCC to help save AM Radio, what recommendations would you make?
This thread has 61 pages, with over 1k posts, so forgive me if this has been brought up.

Of course, nothing will save AM, but to help in the interim, the FCC should allow every AM station with less than 50kw of power, to increase power at a determined percentage to make up for and restore coverage that has been lost due to the increased noise floor. This would be for day and night.
 
This thread has 61 pages, with over 1k posts, so forgive me if this has been brought up.

Of course, nothing will save AM, but to help in the interim, the FCC should allow every AM station with less than 50kw of power, to increase power at a determined percentage to make up for and restore coverage that has been lost due to the increased noise floor. This would be for day and night.
Nope. The co channel interference will screw things up even more during the day and make it a real mess at night. Of course they only seem to broadcast Coast To Coast am at night so maybe that won't change things much
 
The point is it shows you how much trouble someone would go to receive programming from the larger markets, which was perceived to be better, or more interesting (ala oldies, smooth jazz).

Today, it's the opposite, as that type of music is mostly in the smaller markets that aren't ruled by Wall Street and marketing firms that overlook older adults.
Oldies and smooth jazz are both formats that can not succeed in large markets because so much of all advertising is bought by agencies and sophisticated advertisers who have dedicated ad departments; they don't buy formats and stations with audiences predominantly over 60 (over 70 for "oldies).

In little markets, sales is relationship based and merchants use the store or business traffic as their "rating". So stations that appeal to older people have a greater chance of getting on buys.

This has everything to do with who buys ads on individual radio stations and nothing to do with Wall Street and "marketing firms" (whatever those are).
 
I make fun of the hysterics of those who fear that when something bad happens, no one will know to run and hide unless AM radio broadcasts the warning. And I am amused when I say AM will be dead in two years and a bunch of people correct me as if I have a countdown clock.
Okay, I have read your diatribes for about a week now and I am sick of them. You misrepresent facts and misunderstand the objectives of the interest in preserving AM radio.

First, when there is a disaster or situation that knocks out all cable, landlines and internet, only over the air broadcasting might survive and offer service.

Of course, the power will be out so you can't recharge your chargeable battery devices. Yeah, for a couple of cycles you can charge in the car, but eventually its battery will also give out.

In case you did not notice, the transition to digital TV meant that hand-held portable OTA TVs were no longer useful in emergencies as they hold charge for an hour or two at best.

So in a true emergency, radio is the only way of getting information.

If the local infrastructure is down, then the folks in that area will have to listen to distant stations. That does not work on FM as it is strict line of sight and the locals will be off the air. But even if your local AMs are off, too, you will be able to hear others from farther away. And at night, from even thousands of miles away.

As I mentioned, the 2017 hurricane in Puerto Rico left only one source of information. No phones, no cellular phones, no TV, no Internet, no email. Power was 100% out, so no TV even if a station were on the air (which they were not). But AM 580, WKAQ, Puerto Rico's first radio station was also, at that time, its last and only station. It's microwave STL worked, its transmitter building constructed above flood level, was intact and and part of the studio building did not loose its roof.

My point? In about the most dreadful natural disaster conceivable, 3,500,000 people had one source of information. Some had battery radios, others did not. Some could turn on their car (although essentially all roads were closed an laden with nails, broken glass and worse). Some would take their radio out to the street and neighbors would congregate and listen. Batteries were shared, along with beer and Don Q.

Oh, and radio was all that was initially useful as recently as the storm flooding in western North Carolina. I can name lots of other examples, from the New Orleans flooding to the recent power outages around Houston where radio was the most reliable backup data source. And if "the Big One" hits California, those techies in San José are gonna' hafta' listen to an AM out of Fresno or Sacramento or LA for information as there will be no local communication at all.

Most AM stations today are useless because their technical facilities are useless: too low power, too high on the dial, daytime only, too directional and more. But in nearly every area, AM stations are the only signals that would be usable in a real emergency.
 
They did at about the time they required UHF tuners with VHF on new televisions. Today with a limited marketplace for new AM radios (there are a million radios out there and lots of used ones in thrift stores) I don't see the need to force a manufacturer to make something that adds cost to the product for limited customers. That's my argument. You can find an AM radio if you need one. If you're over 40, you probably have a half dozen stored on a shelf in the basement. If there were a big market for them, they'd be on store shelves.
As has been noted by smoochie, there was never a requirement for radios to have any particular band or not. I am adding a repetitive post as this "un-fact" has been propagated across the web so many times that AI based sources think it is true.... but it is NOT.
 
I think people sometimes confuse it with the requirement to include UHF on all televisions but I'm surprised that Big A didn't know it. That just shows how widespread this notion is!
Do some searching and you will find it is so common an un-fact that AI picks it up as being true. This is a good example of why I waste half my life on www.worldradiohistory.com.
 


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