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Saving AM Radio

Yes, very hypocritical as those hosts are always jawboning on about how this and that shouldn't be subsidized but say nothing when they get their own government goodies.
Source? Where do conservative talk hosts get "government" goodies and what are they?
 
You're probably right, but it's the conservative talkers who are making the most noise. That's hypocritical, IMO.
The market is totally open to a successful and profitable liberal talk format or station... or network.
 
That's not the point. You're making this a "free market" decision, and it's not. The car company is making the decision.'
Other than certain mandated safety equipment, a car manufacturer has the right to put anything it wants to into its products.
Henry Ford once said about the Model T, "It comes in any color you want, as long as it's black." That's not a free market decision.
Sure it is. Ford had his cars designed and built his way. He made his decisions and took the risks.

Don't like black? Buy something else. There was plenty of competition for car manufacturers in that era. Not every car sold was a Ford, but he sure sold a lot of them despite said competition and lack of color choice.
 
Source? Where do conservative talk hosts get "government" goodies and what are they?
Didn't say the hosts directly receive government support, but the causes, the industries (i.e. Big Oil) they support, the industries that support their causes ("let's privatize everything!").
 
That's not the point. You're making this a "free market" decision, and it's not. The car company is making the decision.'

Henry Ford once said about the Model T, "It comes in any color you want, as long as it's black." That's not a free market decision.
Yes it is! People bought Fords back then because they were cheap. I remember. 😂

If someone wanted a blue car they were available from other manufacturers.
 
Other than certain mandated safety equipment, a car manufacturer has the right to put anything it wants to into its products.

Is that in the constitution? I don't remember that line. The bill says that access to AM radio is for public safety.

There was plenty of competition for car manufacturers in that era. Not every car sold was a Ford, but he sure sold a lot of them despite said competition and lack of color choice.
Once again, the color of the Model T wasn't a free market decision. The car company made it for their convenience and efficiency.

Car companies don't have to include AM radio either. But they have to tell people in advance that there isn't an AM radio. By doing that, it alerts the customer to make the choice.
 
Possibly avoiding bad PR (from some radio talk show hosts) will ensure that (at least a passable reception and sound quality) AM radio will be included in every new vehicle authorized to be sold in the USA.


Kirk Bayne
 
My point is the color of the model T was not a free market decision. It was made by the car company for the benefit of the car company.
It most certainly was a free market decision. Sure, it was made by Henry Ford for the benefit of the Ford Motor Company. If it had been a bad decision at the time, car buyers would have taken their business elsewhere. And many did, although Ford wasn't hurt by it. That's the free market at work.

Now, to get this back to broadcasting, what is the difference between Ford mandating black cars and a radio station mandating certain songs be played and many others be excluded, depending on the station's format as defined and controlled by its owners and/or management? Don't like the songs they play? We are free to tune elsewhere. Don't like black cars? Don't buy one. Free market, in both cases.
 
Possibly avoiding bad PR (from some radio talk show hosts) will ensure that (at least a passable reception and sound quality) AM radio will be included in every new vehicle authorized to be sold in the USA.

Tesla does not include AM radio in their cars. Tesla is owned by Elon Musk, who is part of the incoming administration. He doesn't care about bad PR.
 
It most certainly was a free market decision. Sure, it was made by Henry Ford for the benefit of the Ford Motor Company.
It was made because it was cheap and efficient for the company. It had nothing to do with what customers wanted.
Now, to get this back to broadcasting, what is the difference between Ford mandating black cars and a radio station mandating certain songs be played and many others be excluded, depending on the station's format as defined and controlled by its owners and/or management?
Radio stations do consumer research on the songs they play. Tesla didn't consult consumers or give them options. They just didn't include AM.
 
Is that in the constitution? I don't remember that line.
Good grief. You know better than that.
The bill says that access to AM radio is for public safety.
If a black Model T falls in the forest, and there are no AM listeners to hear about it... :cool:

The AM band could disappear tomorrow (and, yes, we know it won't), and only a small minority would care. And fewer would even notice. Ancient Modulation is going the way of Morse Code (outside of the ham bands, and even there it'll happen eventually).
Once again, the color of the Model T wasn't a free market decision. The car company made it for their convenience and efficiency.
Again, your point is what?
Car companies don't have to include AM radio either. But they have to tell people in advance that there isn't an AM radio. By doing that, it alerts the customer to make the choice.
I think most people can figure it out. If they can't, I'm not sure they're smart enough to drive, with or without AM radio.
 
The AM band could disappear tomorrow (and, yes, we know it won't), and only a small minority would care. And fewer would even notice. Ancient Modulation is going the way of Morse Code (outside of the ham bands, and even there it'll happen eventually).

All totally irrelevant to the point of the bill. The bill doesn't require consumers to listen to AM. Just that it's available if they want it.

I think most people can figure it out. If they can't, I'm not sure they're smart enough to drive, with or without AM radio.

Again, all totally irrelevant to the point of the bill. The bill doesn't require consumers to listen to AM. Just that it's available if they want it.
 
It was made because it was cheap and efficient for the company. It had nothing to do with what customers wanted.
A lot of Ford's customers were perfectly happy with black Model Ts. They sold almost 15 million of them between 1908 and 1927.
Radio stations do consumer research on the songs they play. Tesla didn't consult consumers or give them options. They just didn't include AM.
That's Tesla's business and their risk. They will reap the rewards or suffer the consequences. It's not a proper place for the Federal Government, unlike making sure that vehicles are safe on the public highways. Ancient Modulation isn't a safety issue, unlike, say, anti-lock brakes and gas tanks that don't explode in a rear end collision (speaking of Ford).
 
BigA, I'm going to stop now. We're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one.
 
It's not a proper place for the Federal Government, unlike making sure that vehicles are safe on the public highways.

That's your opinion. The writers of this bill explained the rationale very clearly.

BigA, I'm going to stop now. We're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one.
OK It really doesn't matter since the bill appears to be dead anyway. And Musk will make sure it's dead in the next congress.
 
That's not the point. You're making this a "free market" decision, and it's not. The car company is making the decision.'

Henry Ford once said about the Model T, "It comes in any color you want, as long as it's black." That's not a free market decision.
It depends on when Henry Ford made the comment. If he said it when the first models rolled off the conveyer belt, there weren't any other affordable cars!
 


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