i see that Z and joy are that strong emf has no presence
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a big market with no emf
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I believe the KLove (official name after moving to Tennessee) will not go in directly against a religious non commercial CCM. In Atlanta Joy is on the Southside and both KLove's 106.7 & 104.7 (same tower same antenna) are on the Northside. Reading a test version of aviation app I am helping to develop (testing) for use by air ambulances, the towers are around 95+ miles apart. The app which insurance companies will like keeps you at least 4 miles from any 900 ft + high tower. You can put in a location within the safety zone but you have the a "clear" LZ which is going to be harder than originally though to perfect.
That hasn't been the case for a long time.
I think that might have been the strategy originally, but they ran out of blue ocean.
Why don't we keep it that way.
FWIW, WPOZ is live and local.
WNUE is live and semi local (they originate out of the Tampa area).
Those stations at least serve their communities.
As for K-Love, while they might be live, they are not local.
All you would have if they were to come here is a transmitter with a computer hooked up to it playing a national format along with more begathons.
They definitely would. They show up well in the Melbourne & Daytona Beach diary markets, and even show up in the Gainesville/Ocala books.
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I'm going to guess the Orlando stations do not subscribe to those markets. But if that's the reason, then why does WPOZ subscribe?
Non-commercial stations are different. They don't subscribe but Nielsen includes them anyway.
In the larger markets where People Meters are used, non-commercial stations at least have to put an encoder on their broadcasts to be counted. I think that's why WPOZ went from sometimes being Orlando's #1 station to off the list. Nielsen doesn't charge for the equipment but the station has to have it working to be included. However, in smaller markets like Daytona Beach that are still using diaries, even encoding is unnecessary.
It seems WPOZ no longer has its encoder working. So that's why 100,000-watt WPOZ is #1 in Daytona and unlisted in Orlando.
That make sense. I just went back and in Fall 2023 XL, Magic, JRR, Real Radio and Rumba (all of the iHeart FMs) were listed in the Daytona Beach book. In Spring 2024 they were gone.
That said, in Fall 2023 Magic shows a 5.2 and the others are 3 and 2 shares. I was under the impression that even if a station doesn't subscribe, it will still show up in the public numbers if the actual rating is above a 0.1, which it easily would be in this case.
It seems Nielsen has gone back and forth on this question. For many years, you had to subscribe to Arbitron to be listed. Non-commercial stations didn't want to pay for ratings so they were not included. It was still a diary-based survey. Listeners were writing down non-commercial stations in their diaries. If you bought the service, you could see them. But Arbitron didn't report them to the public.
About 10 years ago, maybe around the time Arbitron sold its service to Nielsen, that rule stopped. Everyone got listed in reports made public, even stations that didn't subscribe. We started seeing stations we never saw before showing up. We realized how many listeners some NPR and Christian stations had, making them among the top stations in their markets.
We also saw stations from miles away show up in the ratings of nearby markets, like Philadelphia stations in Allentown and NYC stations in Hartford. Around the holidays, WVEE Atlanta got listed at the bottom of the NYC ratings. People from NYC visiting relatives in Georgia apparently brought their people meters with them and got detected listing to one of Atlanta's big urban stations.
Then something happened a few years ago. Nielsen stopped this practice for commercial stations that didn't subscribe. Its obvious in the Riverside-San Bernardino ratings. Some LA stations are listed, most are not. Nearly all the LA FM stations have signals that are easily heard in the Inland Empire. But only a handful of LA stations show up. KLVE Los Angeles is listed as the #3 station in Riverside because Univision subscribes to the Riverside ratings. Meruelo does too, so KLOS gets listed as #8.
But where are LA's biggest FM stations? No KOST, no KIIS, no KRTH, no KTWV. Audacy and iHeart own local stations in the Riverside market, KFRG and KGGI respectively. Those companies pay for KFRG and KGGI to appear. But apparently their LA stations are not included in the arrangement.
Remember, an “actual rating” of 0.1 is a share of around 1.5 to 1.8 (depending on the PUR in the market) which very few of the independent religious stations get.
KBIG shows up in Riverside/San Bernardino. But I have a hard time believing it's the only station with a high enough rating to do so when looking at the examples you listed. Does iHeart subscribe KBIG to the Riverside book but not the others? Or is KBIG truly the only one getting meter hits?
Meanwhile - most of the NYC heavy hitters always show in Nassau/Suffolk.
I still laugh when I see EMF. It makes me think of Electromagnetic Field before Educational Media Foundation.
Or the group that did the song "Unbelievable" in 1990.
I'm still surprised that radio stations still play that song as is, with the constant "WTF" sample, & no one getting fined for decades.
I'm sure that's a quirk. Someone made a mistake. KBIG has a great signal. But so do KOST, KRRL and KFI, all iHeart stations easily heard in Riverside-San Bernardino.
Somebody at Nielsen accidentally included KBIG in the ratings that are made public.
First, WPOZ is a subscriber in those markets. That's the only reason they show in those market reports. I don't know why they choose not to encode, but I'm guessing they don't want the light (no pun intended) to be shown on their performance in Orlando. They aren't out there promoting estimates, or don't need the data for sales so what's the benefit? They can kinda see their programming's reaction from the "nicer," far less expensive, diary measurement. Nielsen will only report stations that are: 1. Subscribers (including streams, HD-subchannels); 2. Home to a city inside the Metro "Exempt" stations (501c3 who have applied for this status), Minority owned (Black, Hispanic, Asian, Native American...), and Female owned; 3. Non-subscribing stations that achieve an unrounded .1 AQH rating for Persons 6+ Monday-Sunday 6a-Midnight. There's also stations that reach listening levels in an adjacent market that subscribe to their home market. Think of a Miami station that has lots of listening to West Palm Beach. That Miami station appears in the West Palm Beach report because of the listening levels and not because they subscribe. Lastly the ONLY stations reported in the public ranker are subscribers. If a station is not licensed to a book it doesn't appear in the public reporting. There's lots of exempt stations in the data, but those exempt stations aren't being reported in the book.