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KOST needs to bring back us music survey
- Thread starter 30james
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There was a time when the AC format played more currents. That's not now. I took a look, and KOST is only playing ten current songs. So if they played a national show like Dick's NMS, almost all of the songs would be unfamiliar. Seacrest does a Hot AC version of AT40, but it doesn't fit on KOST.
K.M. Richards
Program Director, The Eighties Channel™
You are going waaaaaaaay back with that reference, James.
The National Music Survey started in 1981 and the late Mr. Clark only hosted it for the first 4½ years.
Here's a discussion about the show from 2012 (!) here on RD:
I just looked at the KOST playlist and I can only find four current songs...Die with a Smile, Stargazing, Birds of a Feather, and the new Elton John/Brandi Carlisle collaboration. All the other titles may still be on CHR playlists but they are at least two years old.
Yep, AC moves slower than CHR, so a "current" in AC might be two years old. I was basing the word "current" on the number of spins a song gets.
They played Adele and Harry Styles as currents for years.
But once again, that's why a currents-based chart show is so out of place on an AC station.
Historically, the old Dick Clark show was produced for AC. I'm not aware of one like that now.
K.M. Richards
Program Director, The Eighties Channel™
By your definition of "current", yes. But BigA was likely looking at Mediabase, which now considers songs as far back as 2017 to be currents, since the music business got upended by on-demand access to songs.
With that in mind, in April (as of yesterday) the top 10 currents on KOST are the four you mentioned but also "Beautiful Things", "Unstoppable", "Stay", "Cruel Summer", "Bad Habits" and "Espresso". Each has in excess of an average one play per day.
K.M. Richards
Program Director, The Eighties Channel™
Unless the OP thinks audiences want to hear the exact same songs counted down in a different order every week for a few years ... and provided you could even find a way to construct a weekly chart to count down.
The other thing is those songs still have "bullets" next to them.
In reading his post again, he may be talking about airing the old Dick Clark show the way stations run the old Casey show. They could also run the old AC version of AT40, because there was one. But I don't think that's available from Premiere. It's been my experience that AC stations don't usually run nationally syndicated shows. They prefer another 10 in a row.
There is a current Mediabase AC chart. Here's the link:
K.M. Richards
Program Director, The Eighties Channel™
You are correct. The only classic AT40s with Casey Kasem are the ones from the show's beginning in July 1970 through when he left in August 1988 to go to Westwood One. The AC version of AT40 didn't begin until he got the rights to the show back in 1998, three years after ABC/Watermark cancelled the Shadoe Stevens version. Although Casey had created an AC countdown in 1992 and continued those under Chancellor there's no such thing as an 80s AC version.
I suppose the old Dick Clark shows are still somewhere in the WWOne archives, since that was done under the Mutual network umbrella. But, I am told from someone who worked there and was given the task of putting their archives back in shape, the odds of finding anything there are slim to none due to incredibly sloppy (or in some cases, nonexistent) recordkeeping. And who would want to rerun the same 230 shows over and over again, since Dick jumped ship to do "Countdown America" in 1985 for United Stations (which he owned a piece of)?
Yeah, that ship sailed a long time ago.
Maybe, but the rights to them were limited to that time. Neither Mutual nor WWO owned the show. They're owned by DCP.
K.M. Richards
Program Director, The Eighties Channel™
Kind of a moot point now anyway, A.
Dick Clark hosted it again from 1999 til his death I know because I listened to it religiously on KOST it was on Saturday morning then they moved it to Sundays but K.M. is probably right it would not work in this day and age.
K.M. Richards
Program Director, The Eighties Channel™
True, but also not precisely so.
Timeline:
- Memorial Day weekend 1981 - "National Music Survey" debuts on the Mutual network.
- Summer 1984 - Second AC version debuts.
- October 1985 - Dick leaves Mutual for the United Stations network to take over as host of a similar show, "Countdown America" which had started under the network's previous incarnation as RKO Radio Networks in 1983. "National Music Survey" continues on Mutual for another ten years with multiple host changes (Bill St. James, Charlie Tuna, Bill James, Sylvia Aimerito).
- 1995 - After Mutual cancels the original, "Countdown America" -- still on United -- changes its name to "Dick Clark's U.S. Music Survey" and continues under that title until Dick's stroke in 2004. Reruns of the shows under this title are syndicated, until 2020.
IIRC, that is one reason why the the AC version of Casey's American Top 20 changed to American Top 10 in 2004. This allowed the show to add additional extras and a weekly spotlight feature so there wouldn't be as much repetition week to week.
The other reason being there were quite a few affiliates not playing the songs in the 11-20 spots.
K.M. Richards
Program Director, The Eighties Channel™
I did a little research to confirm that the changed happened at the beginning of 2004 and you are correct, although I couldn't find anything about the reasons you gave for the change.
However, I did find a thread at the AT40 fan message board which verified how slowly the AC chart moved back then:
10 years ago when the AC show was still AT20... | American Top 40 Fun & Games Site
I have been listening to these shows chronologically and think this is rather fascinating. We know how slow the AC chart moved. When a song got to #1 it was usually there for weeks, sometimes several
Question what show do y'all enjoy most...A.T. 40 with Ryan seacrest or Casey kasem with A.T. 40 or Rick dees and the weekly top 40 or dick clarks show your talking about. Me I like rock dees probably cause of his voice.
K.M. Richards
Program Director, The Eighties Channel™
I think that if you were to survey (pun intended) listeners to CHR in the 80s, the hands-down winner would be Casey, and it has little to do with the voice. Sorry, Patrick.
As you all know, KRKE runs the Classic AT40s on Sunday mornings with an encore in the evening. I tend to monitor the automation during the morning play just to keep any disasters under control, and so I get to hear the whole show every week. There is no one, in my opinion, who did a better job than the late Mr. Kasem at telling the stories, answering the listener letters, doing the long distance dedications, etc. He was the gold standard. Ryan is perfectly fine as his replacement for the modern times (and today's listeners), but he still pales a bit in comparison for those of us who are long in the tooth.
The Rick Dees and Dick Clark shows have failed to get "fan" traction because unlike AT40, the Dees show just keeps repeating the same 50 shows over and over (and on very few stations nowadays), and the Clark show(s) "classic" syndication also was on relatively few stations.
And no, Kerri Kasem didn't pay me to say all that.
Hey K.M. can't argue w u at all bout Mr. Kasem and telling stories.I think that if you were to survey (pun intended) listeners to CHR in the 80s, the hands-down winner would be Casey, and it has little to do with the voice. Sorry, Patrick.
As you all know, KRKE runs the Classic AT40s on Sunday mornings with an encore in the evening. I tend to monitor the automation during the morning play just to keep any disasters under control, and so I get to hear the whole show every week. There is no one, in my opinion, who did a better job than the late Mr. Kasem at telling the stories, answering the listener letters, doing the long distance dedications, etc. He was the gold standard. Ryan is perfectly fine as his replacement for the modern times (and today's listeners), but he still pales a bit in comparison for those of us who are long in the tooth.
The Rick Dees and Dick Clark shows have failed to get "fan" traction because unlike AT40, the Dees show just keeps repeating the same 50 shows over and over (and on very few stations nowadays), and the Clark show(s) "classic" syndication also was on relatively few stations.
And no, Kerri Kasem didn't pay me to say all that.
Here we have a long distance dedication from Rachael in California...Dear Casey me n my husband's first year anniversary is coming up n when he proposed to me will you still love me by chicago was playing on the radio. Okay Rachael here is your long distance dedication.
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