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Overcomer Ministry ending radio broadcasts

According to WRMI’s Jeff White on the Wavescan program (via Glenn Hauser on his World of Radio forum) the Overcomer broadcasts on shortwave and local radio affiliates will end on June 30. Internet stream will continue, and there are supposedly plans for an LPFM at the group’s South Carolina home base. Falling donations given as the reason for the end of the ministry’s radio output, making it unsustainable.
Something doesn't seem right here. Falling donations should normally result in cutting back on someone's number of monthly hours or stations, not a total cessation of all radio output. A sudden total stoppage makes it sound like the ministry is receiving no donations, and that a bank account stocked with former donations may have been getting drawn down slowly, until finally, this month, reaching its exhaustion point.

Considering how cheap shortwave airtime is, I would think that if any donations were arriving at all, they would keep at least one shortwave station in their portfolio -- like whichever broadcaster was best equipped to throw their signal in every imaginable geographic direction, with the best propagation, at different times of the day. Being heard everywhere on at least one frequency, some of the time, would be preferable to total silence for anyone pushing a message, no?

Major blow to several private shortwave operators, though they should have anticipated this since Stair’s death over four years ago.
Which stations do you reckon may be facing closure on account of this? WRMI, WBCQ, and WWCR all seem to have enough other programming to survive, even if perhaps one or two transmitters need to be unplugged.

But what piques my curiosity is why the replacement preacher (James Rice?) hasn't taken over with more preaching, carrying on the torch like Melissa Scott did after Gene Scott passed. If you have an actual message you believe is important, you'd try to continue getting it to the world, right? I've heard Rice's preaching maybe 5 times in the past 6 months or so. Just seems that after Stair died, the direction of the ministry (regardless of what one may think of the content) died with him.
The biggest inexplicability I keep noticing with the broadcasts of Stair's "classics" is his people's apparent unwillingness to exclude or edit embarrassingly dated material. Almost every other time my receiver stops on a shortwave signal running his old tapes, Stair is lamenting a "current event," like the collapse of Lehman Brothers, followed by warning all his listeners they have just months to evacuate the cities before everything goes Mad Max. It's real pie-in-the-face stuff. Even people who would otherwise continue following him -- the way others keep following Gene Scott -- aren't going to remain donors for long with repeated doses of cringe like that. To say nothing of what new listeners would think. "Is this radio station broken?"
 
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They will just lease time to another client. Overcomers simply ponied up the cash to lease these stations and there will be another group that will follow. Because you lose a client, you don't turn in your license.
You know better than most that leased time is a struggling sector of the industry. Brother Stair was an important part of a lot of brokered time operations, because their ministry would buy big blocks of time, up to and including 24/7.

A lot of other ministries will buy one hour a day, or only pay via the "share" method.
 
The leased time money is in ethnic shows and programmers. For example, I had a Vietnamese group leasing the station for 6 years at my last stint.

You are correct. Almost all Christian ministries are on a 'share' method.

I had Brother Stair on when we did a Christian format in Houston. They offered to buy unsold hours but only paid about $20 an hour back in the mid 1990s. It was better than $0 revenue. Eventually we had so little remaining, we dropped him.
 
Something doesn't seem right here. Falling donations should normally result in cutting back on someone's number of monthly hours or stations, not a total cessation of all radio output. A sudden total stoppage makes it sound like the ministry is receiving no donations, and that a bank account stocked with former donations may have been getting drawn down slowly, until finally, this month, reaching its exhaustion point.
They are likely running out of money. With Stair having been dead for over four years now, and the world having not come to an end, perhaps people are bailing from all that nonsense.

Or perhaps they now realize that shortwave is dead for being an effective medium for spreading their message.
Considering how cheap shortwave airtime is
It’s probably too cheap. Private shortwave stations need to make enough money to cover operating expenses and turn a reasonable profit. Yet we had WBCQ asking for $500k in donations a few years ago to keep things going (the pay reportedly only got $5k) and WRMI had a GoFundMe (or similar) asking for money for hurricane damage repair as the station had no insurance.

Now there is chatter about shortwave operators needling to cut airtime charges to attract new clients. But who would those clients be? And slashing income will just send those stations into a financial death spiral, which they are likely already in.
I would think that if any donations were arriving at all, they would keep at least one shortwave station in their portfolio -- like whichever broadcaster was best equipped to throw their signal in every imaginable geographic direction, with the best propagation, at different times of the day. Being heard everywhere on at least one frequency, some of the time, would be preferable to total silence for anyone pushing a message, no?
You can push your message far and wide on shortwave, but who is listening other than a handful of hardcore SW hobbyists? Is that the way to reach a wide audience?
Which stations do you reckon may be facing closure on account of this? WRMI, WBCQ, and WWCR all seem to have enough other programming to survive, even if perhaps one or two transmitters need to be unplugged.
WRMI has plenty of other clients, though the Overcomer shutdown will be a huge financial hit. Of course transmitters that aren’t on the air won’t be eating electricity.

WBCQ will stick around because Allan Weiner is gonna be Allan Weiner. Besides he still has the income from the flat earthers leasing the 500kw transmitter.

I’m keeping an eye on WWCR and WTWW. WWCR recently closed down one of its four transmitters, and may have to shutter a second one that was leased to Overcomer 24/7. Perhaps they can get by with only two units in operation if no new clients show up.

WTWW was wanting to run Overcomer on one transmitter 24/7, but that won’t happen now. Very little programming on the remaining operational transmitter. Perhaps it is time to close the station…again.
.The biggest inexplicability I keep noticing with the broadcasts of Stair's "classics" is his people's apparent unwillingness to exclude or edit embarrassingly dated material. Almost every other time my receiver stops on a shortwave signal running his old tapes, Stair is lamenting a "current event," like the collapse of Lehman Brothers, followed by warning all his listeners they have just months to evacuate the cities before everything goes Mad Max. It's real pie-in-the-face stuff.
It’s not unusual to tune across Brother Stair and find him ranting endlessly about President Obama. Ridiculously out of date material.
Even people who would otherwise continue following him -- the way others keep following Gene Scott -- aren't going to remain donors for long with repeated doses of cringe like that.
Should note that while we still hear Gene Scott’s preaching 20 years after his death, the broadcasts are of scripture teachings that are pretty much evergreen. No blathering about current events from decades ago.

The Melissa Scott programs seem to be fairly generic as well, though many of those sermons could be from years ago.
To say nothing of what new listeners would think. "Is this radio station broken?"
A lot of stations are broken. It’s just that the owners are going to squeeze every last penny they can out of them before finally pulling the plug.
 
Gene Scott is kind of like the reason broadcasts are still syndicated of J. Vernon McGee's Through the Bible (died 1988) and Adrian Rogers' Love Worth Finding (died 2005). They taught Scripture to the radio audience with personal tidbits, but not this kooky end-of-world stuff.
I would consider the late Brother Stair and Harold Camping to be false prophets...the Bible tells us about false preaching in Matthew 7. Harold thought the end of the world was going to happen in 2011. Yet, only God knows the final date, when Jesus is coming back (Revelation)... completely false teaching and lies from these 'preachers'.

I'm curious - is Brother Stair still being aired late at night on WCKY 1530? So strange to have NBA talk one minute, and a crazy, screaming preacher the next at 3 in the morning...
 
Gene Scott is kind of like the reason broadcasts are still syndicated of J. Vernon McGee's Through the Bible (died 1988) and Adrian Rogers' Love Worth Finding (died 2005). They taught Scripture to the radio audience with personal tidbits, but not this kooky end-of-world stuff.
I would consider the late Brother Stair and Harold Camping to be false prophets...the Bible tells us about false preaching in Matthew 7. Harold thought the end of the world was going to happen in 2011. Yet, only God knows the final date, when Jesus is coming back (Revelation)... completely false teaching and lies from these 'preachers'.

I'm curious - is Brother Stair still being aired late at night on WCKY 1530? So strange to have NBA talk one minute, and a crazy, screaming preacher the next at 3 in the morning...
I forgot about Harold Camping.

Back in the 70s, "The World Tomorrow" w/ Herbert W. Armstrong and later Garner Ted Armstrong was just about everywhere, even on TV.
 
I'm curious - is Brother Stair still being aired late at night on WCKY 1530? So strange to have NBA talk one minute, and a crazy, screaming preacher the next at 3 in the morning...
I know he still takes up a lot of airtime on WWVA. Used to on KXEL as well, but they dumped him a few years ago.
 
The biggest inexplicability I keep noticing with the broadcasts of Stair's "classics" is his people's apparent unwillingness to exclude or edit embarrassingly dated material. Almost every other time my receiver stops on a shortwave signal running his old tapes, Stair is lamenting a "current event," like the collapse of Lehman Brothers, followed by warning all his listeners they have just months to evacuate the cities before everything goes Mad Max. It's real pie-in-the-face stuff.
I can barely tell what the guy is saying. Even with a perfect signal, I can't understand most of his rants. Between the crappy mic he seems to use and the poor acoustics, and his general spittle-flecked tone of voice and thick accent, he's incomprehensible to me as a native English speaker.
 
I can barely tell what the guy is saying. Even with a perfect signal, I can't understand most of his rants. Between the crappy mic he seems to use and the poor acoustics, and his general spittle-flecked tone of voice and thick accent, he's incomprehensible to me as a native English speaker.

I think it might be transmitter modulation and modulation of the originating feed. Because,, i mostly have no poblem understanding things if i listen.. and STair didnt always sound this way and ive noticed some stations sounding a little underwhelemed lately, likely because theyre taking the webstream feed and not adjusting processing
 
I can barely tell what the guy is saying. Even with a perfect signal, I can't understand most of his rants. Between the crappy mic he seems to use and the poor acoustics, and his general spittle-flecked tone of voice and thick accent, he's incomprehensible to me as a native English speaker.
He had a studio that was semi-professional, but often broadcast from other locations using some kind of wireless headset. He also had no teeth, and would frequently broadcast without his dentures. Around ten years ago, I became curious about his technical setup and wound up discovering that he had a dedicated T1 running into his farm's radio room, where a simple Comrex BRIC-Link was being used to feed his satellite and radio affiliates. While listening to it, I didn't hear any processing at all. The three of these combined went a long way toward his "signature sound."

By the way: are your PM notifications turned off? I sent you a message about a classic country music source (it was in response to comments you made in another thread). FYI.

I think it might be transmitter modulation and modulation of the originating feed.
Another problem is that some of the shortwave stations broadcasting him have processing that isn't aggressive enough to correct for all the variable equalization curves in his old tapes, or in a few cases, have apparently no processing. Sometimes I can switch between two frequencies broadcasting him simultaneously, and one is incomprehensible while the other sounds like a clear and clean Optimod 9105 with everything turned up to 11.

I can only assume the unprocessed signals I've heard may be from stations that have experienced hardware failures they can't afford to repair.

Edit: There is a video somewhere on Youtube offering a tour of WRMI. In the station's main control room, I noted several Optimod 9100s in service for their myriad of transmitters. Seeing those in use at a shortwave station gave me the impression that the 9105s may now be unobtanium, and that following their failures, some of these cash-strapped stations are just locating and slapping old 9100s into place as substitutes. That would certainly explain the wild differences in clarity I often notice in different signals originating from these same US stations ... possibly pushing Stair's sometimes bad audio into the outright incomprehensible category, depending on which transmitter he's being piped through. The 9105 used quite extreme preemphasis curves as compared with the AM model Optimods.
 
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I'd rather listen to 30 minutes of Susie Cubano counting down the hits than 30 seconds of Brother Stair reminding me of my pending eternal damnation.

LOL i thought me and a few friends were the only ones who said it that way about susie.
 
LOL i thought me and a few friends were the only ones who said it that way about susie.
SRG, anything you’ve heard out of Spaceline Bulgaria in reaction to the Overcomer demise on shortwave? The Brother Stair broadcasts were about 80% of their bookings, according to transmission schedules I’ve seen. That’s a huge financial hit, and I have no idea what they can do to replace that revenue.
 
SRG, anything you’ve heard out of Spaceline Bulgaria in reaction to the Overcomer demise on shortwave? The Brother Stair broadcasts were about 80% of their bookings, according to transmission schedules I’ve seen. That’s a huge financial hit, and I have no idea what they can do to replace that revenue.

I havent, but I haven't asked. While its alot of money, based on the bargain basement rates they pay, its not as much as we think.
 
The 9100 was available with various pre-emphasis curves as well, maxing out at 20 dB of high-end boost. (That's a LOT!)
Quite, but where would that peak have occurred in those configurations? If the 9100's maximum boost of 20 dB happened at 10.2 kHz, that would have been dwarfed by the 9105's maximum boost of 22 dB at 5 kHz. Bob's normal distortion-canceled clipping technology in the 9100 wasn't able to handle that kind of assault, so the 9105 used Hilbert transform clipping instead.
 
SRG, anything you’ve heard out of Spaceline Bulgaria in reaction to the Overcomer demise on shortwave? The Brother Stair broadcasts were about 80% of their bookings, according to transmission schedules I’ve seen. That’s a huge financial hit, and I have no idea what they can do to replace that revenue.
Coming soon, All Paul Fridays….
 


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