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Court reaffirms CPB's independence

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Everything I have said can be substantiated. If you need documentation on anything, let me know. I can provide.

If you don't agree, I don't care.
How about this one - tried to throw shade on red states but missed the mark.

"Most of the CPB money went to red states like Nebraska, Oklahoma, Louisiana, Georgia, and the Dakotas."

2024 CPB Funding - total by state in millions
Nebraska $6.3
Oklahoma $3.5
Louisiana $6.5
Georgia $6.5
North Dakota $2.5
South Dakota $3.0
Six states - total of 28.3

Six "blue states"
Washington 10.1
Massachusetts 22.5
Illinois 12.8
Minnesota 17.2
Michigan 11.8
Oregon 7.4
Six states - total of 81.8

 
How about this one - tried to throw shade on red states but missed the mark.

"Most of the CPB money went to red states like Nebraska, Oklahoma, Louisiana, Georgia, and the Dakotas."

I said "red states like...." That doesn't mean the money just went to those states.

You're comparing small red states with big blue states. Try to be more apples/apples

Texas gets over 17 million. Ohio gets $13 million. Florida gets $24 million.

The reason I picked those red states is because I know those states own radio & TV stations. Texas, Ohio, and Florida don't.
 
If the government wanted to know, the stations could supply that information. Every dollar has to be accounted for to satisfy the IRS.
If a large chunk of the total funding is coming from CPB, then it stands to reason that a large chunk of the money spent with NPR is CPB provided money. It will be interesting to see how the loss of funds affects how much NPR programming is bought by the stations - that will tell you how much of the money was actually used to buy from NPR
How can you truthfully report on what the government does if you have to be concerned about offending someone? That's why the money doesn't come from the government, but rather from CPB. CPB is not part of the government. They decide how the money is spent, not the president or congress. CPB is who will fight this battle for stations, not NPR.
Totally agree that CPB budgets and distributes the money, but the President and Congress just decided to eliminate funding, and many on your side claim it was because of years of government funded programming they deemed to be inaccurate and biased. So who is really deciding how the money is spent? Can't spend money you don't have
 
If a large chunk of the total funding is coming from CPB, then it stands to reason that a large chunk of the money spent with NPR is CPB provided money.

You have to go station by station. The rural stations are where CPB money makes up most of the funding. So they're the ones most hurt. Big city stations have a lot more donors, so CPB money is likely under 10%.

Totally agree that CPB budgets and distributes the money, but the President and Congress just decided to eliminate funding, and many on your side claim it was because of years of government funded programming they deemed to be inaccurate and biased.

The law clearly says CPB has to be objective and unbiased. Not NPR. The government can't tell the press what is objective or unbiased.

The role of the president in this is something that has made Susan Collins uncomfortable. So we'll see what happens next. She's in charge of appropriations, so it makes a difference.
 
The law clearly says CPB has to be objective and unbiased. Not NPR. The government can't tell the press what is objective or unbiased.
But that is not the point. The underlying issue, even if more noise is made about other aspects, is that some believe that the government should not be in the broadcasting business in any way... content or running transmitters.
 
I said "red states like...." That doesn't mean the money just went to those states.

You're comparing small red states with big blue states. Try to be more apples/apples

Texas gets over 17 million. Ohio gets $13 million. Florida gets $24 million.

The reason I picked those red states is because I know those states own radio & TV stations. Texas, Ohio, and Florida don't.
"Most of the CPB money went to red states like Nebraska, Oklahoma, Louisiana, Georgia, and the Dakotas."

"Most" of the money didn't go to red states - it went to big blue states. There is no population qualifier - most means most. California, Massachusetts, and Minnesota alone take more than your original six station list plus the three biggest red states you listed above.
 
California, Massachusetts, and Minnesota alone take more than your original six station list plus the three biggest red states you listed above.

Actually if you add my three states to those six, it's about the same. It's also a bigger percentage of red state budgets than blue states.

This was discussed during the debate on the bill. Schumer even had a map showing where the money goes. It didn't matter.
 
You have to go station by station. The rural stations are where CPB money makes up most of the funding. So they're the ones most hurt. Big city stations have a lot more donors, so CPB money is likely under 10%.
My point is if they are taking ANY CPB money, and then spending ANY money with NPR to buy programming, then taxpayer funds are being passed through to NPR. Once again it will be interesting to see how much less programming is bought by the affected stations after the funding stops.
The law clearly says CPB has to be objective and unbiased. Not NPR. The government can't tell the press what is objective or unbiased.
The government can decide to not fund what they deem to be biased programming - they just did and the CPB and NPR have no say. They can produce whatever programming they want now as they won't be getting any government funding moving forward.
 
My point is if they are taking ANY CPB money, and then spending ANY money with NPR to buy programming, then taxpayer funds are being passed through to NPR. Once again it will be interesting to see how much less programming is bought by the affected stations after the funding stops.

There was an amendment that would have prevented that from happening, and it was voted down.

The government can decide to not fund what they deem to be biased programming - they just did and the CPB and NPR have no say.

We'll see how the courts view that.
 
Actually if you add my three states to those six, it's about the same. It's also a bigger percentage of red state budgets than blue states.
9 red states - $82.3 3 blue states - 96.8 I could add 3-4 more red states on there and still not make it.
This was discussed during the debate on the bill. Schumer even had a map showing where the money goes. It didn't matter.
Did he say that people would die if CPB funding is eliminated like he did for the BBB? It didn't matter because it shouldn't.
 
The courts again? You do understand it was passed by both Houses and signed by the President. What challenge could there be? File it with a friendly judge and hope for a delay until it gets overturned? Good luck

The rescission letter made the same mistake you did about who has to be unbiased. So that may be grounds to question the process.

There are already two lawsuits going on right now involving CPB. One filed by the white house.

You have to admit if the shoe was on the other foot, there would be lawsuits all week.
 
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It is refreshing and common sense for the government to stop funding any and all radio and TV programming, both directly and indirectly. How is funding radio and TV programming a government function when thousands of programming options already exist? There is obviously no shortage or need, especially regarding news and politics, which would no doubt be easily biased due to the funding source. Is it wise for a government funded broadcaster to criticize the government who controls their revenue and therefore their future? Considering it is an annual appropriation and can be cancelled easily, how many would or could take that chance?

I am now going to jump off the table and point out that there has never been, nor will there ever be any such thing, as "common sense." It turns out that we as humans have a tendency to "tunnel vision"; that is we tend to hang around with people who think like we do. The result is that we think that policies we and our friends agree with are "common sense" to us but they might not be supported by either factual information or the rest of the general population.

Case in point. While you argue that it is "common sense" for governments not to fund radio programming, I think the populations of Australia, Canada, and the UK would quibble with you on that. All three countries have government-sponsored radio, paid either directly (the British have a specific radio tax to fund the BBC) or indirectly from their general budgets (Canada and Australia). In all three cases, especially in the case of the British, the broadcasters are highly acclaimed for being nonpartisan and the populations are (mostly) supportive of their governments in these efforts.

As TheBigA and K.M. Richards have noted, the U.S. system doesn't directly fund NPR programming; rather it funds (or more correctly funded) a private corporation which in turn 1) gave money to the individual stations to purchase the programs they needed; and 2) took care of a whole lot of issues that commercial broadcasters had to do on their own; namely, they paid the royalty fees associated with ASCAP, BMI, and (with the onset of the Internet) the RIAA.

I will make one other comment than shut up. The U.S. democratic (that's with a small d) form of government can last only as long as the population being served is well-informed about what government policies are and the effect of those policies on portions of the population; and how candidates stand on the issues. Removing what I would argue is anon-partisan facts-based radio network from the scene because one doesn't believe that taxes should be used to pay for such a network will leave people very reliant on questionable sources for factual information and, in the long run, may mean the end of the U.S. government as we know it.
 
Case in point. While you argue that it is "common sense" for governments not to fund radio programming, I think the populations of Australia, Canada, and the UK would quibble with you on that. All three countries have government-sponsored radio, paid either directly (the British have a specific radio tax to fund the BBC) or indirectly from their general budgets (Canada and Australia). In all three cases, especially in the case of the British, the broadcasters are highly acclaimed for being nonpartisan and the populations are (mostly) supportive of their governments in these efforts.
Yet in England, it took the pirate invasion of the later 60's to even get the Beeb to play more than a tiny amount of pop music. Finally, after the pirates got such a huge percentage of listening, England finally opened the BBC to pop music in greater amounts and, finally, allowed commercial stations.

Australia and Canada both limited the number of commercial stations. Australia limited them to lower power, and Canada put all kinds of programming restrictions on them, ranging from CanCon to not allowing hit rotations on FM stations.

Of course, that is the case in three nations. Some countries like Mexico don't have a national radio service. Others have limited services that just function as mouthpieces for the current government.

In our hemisphere, the nations where there is the greatest state run broadcasting are Cuba, Nicaragua and Venezuela. Cuba has no private stations, and both of the other two have closed or taken over their TV networks and closed about half of all radio stations.
 
Yet in England, it took the pirate invasion of the later 60's to even get the Beeb to play more than a tiny amount of pop music. Finally, after the pirates got such a huge percentage of listening, England finally opened the BBC to pop music in greater amounts and, finally, allowed commercial stations.

Australia and Canada both limited the number of commercial stations. Australia limited them to lower power, and Canada put all kinds of programming restrictions on them, ranging from CanCon to not allowing hit rotations on FM stations.

Of course, that is the case in three nations. Some countries like Mexico don't have a national radio service. Others have limited services that just function as mouthpieces for the current government.

In our hemisphere, the nations where there is the greatest state run broadcasting are Cuba, Nicaragua and Venezuela. Cuba has no private stations, and both of the other two have closed or taken over their TV networks and closed about half of all radio stations.

You are quite correct, especially with regards to what is going on in Cuba and Nicaragua, and I would follow up with this:

Every decision regarding anything, including policies on radio broadcasting, may have both positive and negative effects. In the cases you cited, particularly in the Central and South American countries (as well as some African and Asian countries presided over by a dictator), radio is used only as a means for diseminating propaganda.

One other point I will make (and I'm using radiostationworld.com to make this point though I don't know about its accuracy), it appears that, at least in the case of Australia, in some towns, the ABC (Australian Broadcasting Company for those not in the know) still has the most powerful stations on the air.

All of that said, I think the current ABC, CBC, and BBC are very well-programmed, especially if one is looking for (mostly) unbiased news reporting.
 
All of that said, I think the current ABC, CBC, and BBC are very well-programmed, especially if one is looking for (mostly) unbiased news reporting.
At least I can still hear CBC Radio One over the air.

Question is; For how much longer? Are we going to start jamming cross-border signals because they don't please Dear Leader?
 
I never said that there weren't good reasons to live in remote areas. I said that making the CHOICE to live there is not without personal responsibility for your own well being, including communications with the outside world. SRG is a good example - he was offered a job in rural Alaska and he considered everything that entailed - remoteness, weather, high costs for everything, and inconveniences - and he decided that was all acceptable. It is a free country and you can CHOOSE to live anywhere, but those choices come with consequences.
Sure, you can choose to live anywhere. But anywhere you live is dependent on Federal money. Be it for infrastructure, or outlays of tax dollars when disaster strikes. And those 'consequences' often cost people 3000 miles away a lot of money. Nationwide, insurance rates have skyrocketed thanks to California wildfires and Florida hurricanes. The tax burden to cover those disasters also affects the rest of the nation.

Their choices, to live in those areas, become our consequences. But that's how it works in an integrated, Federal society.
My thought there is that IF federal money is being spent, why are we spending it on outdated technology when something far better is available. Starlink is already available there, with speeds all over Alaska at 150 kbs, so all that is needed is the receivers and to set up a few community hot spots. Is it more expensive right now? Probably - but it actually works for everybody everywhere, something a chain of low power local repeaters just can't do. FYI - Starlink costs $120 per month for unlimited data at 150 kbs everywhere in Alaska and the equipment is currently free. Is that unreasonable in the Alaska wilderness? I pay almost that much for regular internet in a suburban area now.
"Is it more expensive right now? Probably." That's the key phrase in this discussion. You would prefer that the government spend more money than it takes to continue to subsidize an already existing, working, local community radio station. You want the government to spend more money. I don't. I want them to spend less money, money that was already allocated, on a proven infrastructure that already exists.

When the costs for the satellite stuff comes down a lot more, then look into the alternatives. And even at that, stations like KSKO are local in nature, manned by local people, with a direct link to the local community. And many of those local people may not have the $150 to spend on Starlink.
Big difference in natural disasters and rioting in our cities and choosing to live off grid and expecting someone else to help pay for it. Yes, radio is cheaper to fund, but it doesn't reach everybody and it has to be on and being listened to to be effective. Could the government fund satellite internet hotspots in those areas? Yes, but the issue there is the government itself. The previous administration allocated $42 billion for rural broadband service four years ago and no one has been hooked up as of right now. Starlink was deployed in battle damaged Ukraine in a matter of days, so it can be done if the government can get out of the way.
There's not a big difference at all. You choose to live in a big city, statistically you are going to be dealing with more crime, and potential for riots. Everybody knows that. And that means the cities want Federal money, be it for extra policing, or to help them rebuild after the businesses burn or become vandalized. Some big cities want more Federal money for welfare programs, because the costs of living in the big cities aggravates poverty, and -- of course -- poverty can aggravate the violent crime problem. Of course, everyone who lives in a big city knows already, ahead of time, that these living conditions exist. But they move there, anyway.

Maybe they should all take your advice and vote with their feet, and move out of the big cities to nowheresville, where, ironically, the cost of living is cheaper, but where there are no jobs, and in many of those rural areas, a lot of poverty.

You have mentioned several times about people deciding to live somewhere with full knowledge of the negatives. That is true. I don't think there is any doubt about that.

When millions choose to live in Florida, and other weather beaten regions of the Sunbelt, the rest of us have to pay for the hurricane and other damage to their houses and businesses -- every year. When millions choose to live in 'Tornado Alley', the rest of us pay for the damage. Nobody holds a gun to someone's head and says "Move to Florida, and the Gulf Coast where the hurricanes hit". They don't force people to move to areas where tornadoes strike every year, sometimes many times during a year. The people move to those areas and live there voluntarily. And then when the hurricanes slam into the coastline each year, like clockwork, or the tornadoes strike every year, like clockwork, and cause millions and millions of dollars worth of damage, they all want the rest of us to pay for it.

That probably costs the government more each year than funding KSKO and a handful of other radio stations in rural Alaska, and a few other rural states.
 
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