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1975 and 1976 Phoenix radio questions

Both of these questions are (loosely) based on remarks made by @davideduardo on another thread I can't find now. He should be able to answer the first one though I don't know if he was still in the Phoenix market when the second question occurred.

Anyway, @davideduardo discussed in the other thread his involvement in making top-40 KRUX' format a little more acoustic. According to what he said (and I'm paraphraising here), KUPD was cleaning up both KRUX and KRIZ in the ratings and that he and another had been hired by Lotus (then KRUX' owner) to try to right the situation for KRUX.

My question has to do with the fact that Phoenix had three other stations playing, at least some, current hits at the time and I'm curious about why one of the upstarts was not included. I can understand why KSTM wasn't included (its very weak Apache Junction-based signal barely covered Mesa, let alone the rest of the valley), and I think he hinted at KOOL-FM (which while playing mostly oldies was also playing acoustic current hits at the time) which the new softer format at KRUX tried to emulate. The one that I'm really curious about, however, is KBBC-FM at 98.7 mHz. As the surveys on the ARSA site show, KBBC-FM was, by 1975, running a full top-40 playlist, so much so that by the fall of that year, it had become American Top 40's Phoenix outlet. What set KBBC-FM apart from its top-40 competitors was that it focused more on new music than KUPD, KRIZ, or KRUX. My question: Was what KBBC-FM was doing at the time taken into consideration when looking at how to improve KRUX's standing, and if not, why not.

My second question has to do with a specific top-40 song in 1976's airplay on Phoenix radio, and since by the summer of that year, KRUX was doing the ill-fated NBC All News network, you might have been gone by that point--yet still I'll ask.

Thequestion has to do with The Manhattans' massive hit, "Kiss and Say Goodbye." Per the available ARSA surveys, that song was never played on either KRIZ or KBBC-FM (outside of "American Top 40,") which is consistent with my memory of the situation. There are no KUPD surveys from the timeperiod but my memory says that it played that song, and the long version of that song to death, at least once an hour throughout the months of July and August of 1976. According to my memory (and again, there are no ARSA surveys for KOOL-FM during this period to back me up), the only other Phoenix radio station to play "Kiss and Say Goodbye," while it was a national hit was KOOL-FM and that station played only the shorter version available on the 45 single. My question: Why did KRIZ and KBBC-FM pass up playing this national hit when KUPD was playing the song repeatedly. It really seems odd to me that a big national hit could be played so prominently on one of Phoenix's top 40 outlets and be completely ignored by the other radio stations in that genre.
 
The one that I'm really curious about, however, is KBBC-FM at 98.7 mHz. As the surveys on the ARSA site show, KBBC-FM was, by 1975, running a full top-40 playlist, so much so that by the fall of that year, it had become American Top 40's Phoenix outlet. What set KBBC-FM apart from its top-40 competitors was that it focused more on new music than KUPD, KRIZ, or KRUX.
I remember listening to KBBC-FM during a couple of Arizona visits in the 1970s. Pretty much epitomized the upper echelon of Top 40 FM stations of that era, high energy and lots of audio compression. Thought it sounded pretty good at the time.
 
I have never heard the term 'acoustic Top 40' before.

What are some song examples?

Consider "acoustic top 40" my phrasing of two words that offend K.M. Richards and you'll get the picture. Literally, acoustic means "non-electronic" and while most of the songs that @David_Eduardo was talking about in the other thread did have some electronic instruments, it was the acoustic instruments that ran the songs. Think John Denver, Carly Simon, Frankie Valli, The 4 Seasons, Diana Ross, Barry Manilow, Joni Mitchell, Carole King, Neil Sedaka, Paul Simon, Cat Stevens--typical 1970s AC material that, in fact, leaned heavily on acoustic instruments.
 
So, soft rock. I guess that's a strain of CHR that a station could program back then, am I right? Would like more info.

Moved to AZ in the late 1970s and the kids(tm) of that era and the early Eighties were either into KZZP for current hits or KUPD for current rock. They didn't touch acoustic at the risk of ridicule from their peers.

The charts of that era had lots of different styles of pop hits - rock a la Foreigner and Fleetwood Mac, R&B a la the Manhattans, disco a la everyone, and so-called "acoustic" a la the schlock from Debby Boone and Air Supply.
 
So, soft rock. I guess that's a strain of CHR that a station could program back then, am I right? Would like more info.

Moved to AZ in the late 1970s and the kids(tm) of that era and the early Eighties were either into KZZP for current hits or KUPD for current rock. They didn't touch acoustic at the risk of ridicule from their peers.

The charts of that era had lots of different styles of pop hits - rock a la Foreigner and Fleetwood Mac, R&B a la the Manhattans, disco a la everyone, and so-called "acoustic" a la the schlock from Debby Boone and Air Supply.

KOOL-FM certainly did that for the most part. When KBBC-FM ditched top 40 (I think it was in the fall of 1976), it went to a format much like what KNX-FM was doing in Los Angeles which one could argue was heavily acoustic (though it played a lot more album tracks and stiffs than any top 40 station ever did).
 
KOOL-FM certainly did that for the most part. When KBBC-FM ditched top 40 (I think it was in the fall of 1976), it went to a format much like what KNX-FM was doing in Los Angeles which one could argue was heavily acoustic (though it played a lot more album tracks and stiffs than any top 40 station ever did).
I do remember the KBBC Mellow Rock period. Artists like Joni Mitchell, Bread, Harry Chapin, Jim Croce, Carole King, Elton John.. Basically 70's soft rock.

Another station that specialized in this was the short lived.KIOG (K104), now KZZP and KIHP. Their slogan was 'The Alternative', and was programmed by the late Jeff Parets. It never caught on.
 
I do remember the KBBC Mellow Rock period. Artists like Joni Mitchell, Bread, Harry Chapin, Jim Croce, Carole King, Elton John.. Basically 70's soft rock.

Another station that specialized in this was the short lived.KIOG (K104), now KZZP and KIHP. Their slogan was 'The Alternative', and was programmed by the late Jeff Parets. It never caught on.

Probably one of the biggest reasons for that was that KIOG was automated whereas KBBC-FM had live jocks 24 hours a day. Also, KIOG did have some transmitter issues--I remember them going back to (I believe) their weaker transmitter that they had prior to 1974 (when the station was known as KBUZ-FM and played easy listening music) on at least two occasions during its run.
 
Distinctly remember hearing KSTM in the late 1970's in the car at a family outing just south of McClintock High in Tempe - Gil-Scot Heron's "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised," to be specific. Unless KDKB would have played it, KSTM was the only station playing it. Hearing KFI from LA at night and hearing KSTM during the day - two givens.
 
Distinctly remember hearing KSTM in the late 1970's in the car at a family outing just south of McClintock High in Tempe - Gil-Scot Heron's "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised," to be specific. Unless KDKB would have played it, KSTM was the only station playing it. Hearing KFI from LA at night and hearing KSTM during the day - two givens.
That would have to have been K104 (KIOG), as KSTM was on the he air from 1981-1987. K104 probably would have played it As they had some Jazz, along with mellow progressive type artists like Joan Armatrading, The Moody Blues, and Jean Luc Ponty. K104 was also programmed by Jeff Parets, who voiced all the imaging. KSTM was my favorite of all time Phoenix radio station. Truly one of a kind.

 
I remember listening to KBBC-FM during a couple of Arizona visits in the 1970s. Pretty much epitomized the upper echelon of Top 40 FM stations of that era, high energy and lots of audio compression. Thought it sounded pretty good at the time.
I wasn't around to witness this era of Phoenix radio, but KBBC probably had the second wealthiest ownership of the Top 40 stations in Phoenix at the time (Doubleday owned KRIZ, but wasn't able to find an FM to move the format to, leading to them shutting down and selling the 1230 frequency to Family Life Radio). I could imagine they had the resources to make the station sound good, even if it didn't lead to ratings success compared to the "scrappy" KUPD.
Probably one of the biggest reasons for that was that KIOG was automated whereas KBBC-FM had live jocks 24 hours a day. Also, KIOG did have some transmitter issues--I remember them going back to (I believe) their weaker transmitter that they had prior to 1974 (when the station was known as KBUZ-FM and played easy listening music) on at least two occasions during its run.
I believe 104.7 was on South Mountain by this time, but the ownership had money problems during its KIOG years, leading to their bankruptcy around 1979 and Western Cities buying the signal (and 1310 AM) not too long after that.
Distinctly remember hearing KSTM in the late 1970's in the car at a family outing just south of McClintock High in Tempe - Gil-Scot Heron's "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised," to be specific. Unless KDKB would have played it, KSTM was the only station playing it. Hearing KFI from LA at night and hearing KSTM during the day - two givens.

This is definitely something that KDKB would have played. KSTM was listed as "Adult Contemporary" until 1980, when Jeff Parets, fresh from KIOG, relaunched KSTM.
 
KSTM was listed as "Adult Contemporary" until 1980, when Jeff Parets, fresh from KIOG, relaunched KSTM.
Hmmm ..KSTM before 1980 wasn't exactly Adult Contemporary. A small East Valley focused station that broadcasted from the Superstition Inn. It was programmed for retirees and snowbirds, with a variety of different music, Big Band, MOR, Classical, Nashville Sound, and beautiful music tracks...all in the same set!
 
Hmmm ..KSTM before 1980 wasn't exactly Adult Contemporary. A small East Valley focused station that broadcasted from the Superstition Inn. It was programmed for retirees and snowbirds, with a variety of different music, Big Band, MOR, Classical, Nashville Sound, and beautiful music tracks...all in the same set!
Sounds kind of like 106.3 KWAO was doing in Sun City around the same time. The trade books had KSTM listed as AC prior to it morphing to freeform rock.
 
KWAO was more focused and professionally.run, with a few well known announcers. BTW, they were the last station to do 'Music By Candlelight' dinnertime music... very Sun City.

I keep forgetting about this LPFM in Sun City West, KSCW. A nice community based Oldies station for the Sun Cities.

 
Anyway, @davideduardo discussed in the other thread his involvement in making top-40 KRUX' format a little more acoustic. According to what he said (and I'm paraphraising here), KUPD was cleaning up both KRUX and KRIZ in the ratings and that he and another had been hired by Lotus (then KRUX' owner) to try to right the situation for KRUX.
When Lotus sold KRUX to Kalmenson's friend and former KWKW manager, Larry Mazursky, we decided to move away from Top 40. The choice, aided by the departure to KFRC of John Mac Flannagan, was to bring in Kent Burkhart and create what was a gold based AC variant. It was not Top 40 at all at that point.
My question has to do with the fact that Phoenix had three other stations playing, at least some, current hits at the time and I'm curious about why one of the upstarts was not included. I can understand why KSTM wasn't included (its very weak Apache Junction-based signal barely covered Mesa, let alone the rest of the valley), and I think he hinted at KOOL-FM (which while playing mostly oldies was also playing acoustic current hits at the time) which the new softer format at KRUX tried to emulate.
Burkhart's idea for KRUX was not similar to KOOL, which was "Kool Oldies" and had a much older average age of the songs.
The one that I'm really curious about, however, is KBBC-FM at 98.7 mHz. As the surveys on the ARSA site show, KBBC-FM was, by 1975, running a full top-40 playlist, so much so that by the fall of that year, it had become American Top 40's Phoenix outlet. What set KBBC-FM apart from its top-40 competitors was that it focused more on new music than KUPD, KRIZ, or KRUX. My question: Was what KBBC-FM was doing at the time taken into consideration when looking at how to improve KRUX's standing, and if not, why not.
KRUX had move in later 1974 to an AC / Gold derivative. KUPD was focusing on FM, and KRIZ was just hanging in there.
 
That would have to have been K104 (KIOG), as KSTM was on the he air from 1981-1987. K104 probably would have played it As they had some Jazz, along with mellow progressive type artists like Joan Armatrading, The Moody Blues, and Jean Luc Ponty. K104 was also programmed by Jeff Parets, who voiced all the imaging. KSTM was my favorite of all time Phoenix radio station. Truly one of a kind.


KSTM-FM first came on the air in 1973, and I distinctly remember listening to it as we were en route from Phoenix to Globe. The station was really only an Apache Junction-East Mesa station--you really needed a very good FM tuner and antenna to hear it in Phoenix. The station carried "American Top 40" briefly between the spring of 1975 (when KRIZ dropped it the first time) and the fall of 1975 (when KBBC-FM picked it up).

The local talent I remember most from KSTM prior to the Jeff Parrotts era was Mike Reynolds, a journeymen personality who was, for many years, the only person playing deep R&B cuts in the Phoenix market. I believe he worked at KSTM in the afternoons between 1977 and 1979.

The ARSA survey site does have one survey from the station. It was from January 1977 and had 50 songs on it which was quite a bit larger than most top-40 stations at the time.

In 1980, KSTM dropped the top-40 and went to an automated soft AC format with Jeff Parrots doing his acoustic album rock overnights. However, it wasn't until 1981 that the Jeff Parrots version of KSTM was launched and that gained a great deal of assistance in most of northern Phoenix when the translator was launched at 99.3 mHz a year later.
 
When Lotus sold KRUX to Kalmenson's friend and former KWKW manager, Larry Mazursky, we decided to move away from Top 40. The choice, aided by the departure to KFRC of John Mac Flannagan, was to bring in Kent Burkhart and create what was a gold based AC variant. It was not Top 40 at all at that point.

Burkhart's idea for KRUX was not similar to KOOL, which was "Kool Oldies" and had a much older average age of the songs.

KRUX had move in later 1974 to an AC / Gold derivative. KUPD was focusing on FM, and KRIZ was just hanging in there.

I'm now going to hijack my own thread. The link below is to a composite of KRUX from 1975. Though a date is not given, I'm guessing late February or early March by the currents being played.


After listening to this, I'm having a very difficult time believing that KRUX wasn't still a top-40 station at this point in time. Both musically, and announcerwise, this was not an ac-based gold station.

Let's begin musically. I'm going to use KOY and KOOL-AM as my benchmarks (though Michael Hagerty once wrote elsewhere that these were more MOR than AC stations). They, especially KOY, were what I would consider to have been AC at the time. Yes, KOY would (and did) play the Jim Croce, Paul Anka/Odia Coates, Ringo Starr, Barry Manilow, and Love Unlimited Orchestra tracks. However, that station wouldn't have (and didn't) touch the Sugarloaf/Jerry Corbetta, LaBelle, Ohio Players, and Disco Tex & the Sex-O-Lettes songs played (scoped, of course) here.

Now let's turn to the announcers. The only one that sounded like he could have been an AC announcer was the morning man, Paul Lee. However, neither Bill Haywood at KOY (who did do jokes) nor Len Engelbritson (not sure of spelling) at KOOL-AM (who didn't) would ever have gone with reading the lyrics to Jim Croce's "Operator," to an actual phone operator (assuming this wasn't taped in advance). In addition, the other air talent on this composite are giving very high-energy performances that are more in-line with what top-40 stations were doing at the time. Finally, there is that game with the clock and the cash where the first person who calls after hearing the alarm ring wins $100 cash. I'm sorry but KOY and KOOL-AM never did that kind of thing.

I'm afraid, therefore, that after listening to this aircheck, I *have* to conclude that KRUX was still very much a top-40 station in late February/early March of 1975 and not the ac gold format that @davideduardo has outlined above.
 
I'm afraid, therefore, that after listening to this aircheck, I *have* to conclude that KRUX was still very much a top-40 station in late February/early March of 1975 and not the ac gold format that @davideduardo has outlined above.
All I can say is that I was Larry's operations manager in 1974 and up till I went back to Puerto Rico in April of 1975. We had brought in Kent Burkhart who gave us what was, in today's language, a gold based Hot AC. I was there, and remember an afternoon when Burkhart pulled all the carts of songs that were "too intense" (or some other similar term) for what we wanted to become: a station in between older leaning "old gold" KOOL FM and the pure Top 40's.

As a note, I did one of the earlier more current based ACs at WERC in Birmingham around 1972 and we also had very foreground announcers who were just a notch below Top 40 and a playlist that was a "filtered" top 40. This is the same format style that other PDs like Bill Tanner at WJDX in Jackson, MS, did at the time. Critics called us "chicken rock" but we eventually were all called AC.

In fact, when I returned to Puerto Rico, I converted failed WJIT to 11-Q, WQII, with the same format. All our jocks had worked in Top 40, either at WBMJ or Mike Joseph's WKAQ. We had only slightly longer rotations than Top 40 and avoided some songs while playing others the Top 40's would not play. But the execution was very similar to any other Top 40.

All of the AC stations I mention here did aggressive contesting aimed at quarter hour maintenance.

Oh, and KOY in that 1972-1975 era was not really AC. It was MOR and was really not of interest to anyone under about 40 or so.
 


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