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Automation system issues at 96.1 Kool Radio on the weekend

Apparently there's an issue with the automation system that runs 96.1 Kool Radio on the weekend.

On Saturday September 27th, Sunday September 28th, Saturday October 4th, and Sunday October 5th they ran the same episode of "American Top 40: The 70s" from September 22nd, 1979.

Sometimes when running AT 40 the episode will first run at 7AM on Saturday and then repeat the following night at 9PM. Other times it will air first at 9PM Sunday and repeat the following Saturday at 7AM
 
Apparently there's an issue with the automation system that runs 96.1 Kool Radio on the weekend.

On Saturday September 27th, Sunday September 28th, Saturday October 4th, and Sunday October 5th they ran the same episode of "American Top 40: The 70s" from September 22nd, 1979.

Sometimes when running AT 40 the episode will first run at 7AM on Saturday and then repeat the following night at 9PM. Other times it will air first at 9PM Sunday and repeat the following Saturday at 7AM
Since it's a weekend issue I bet no one at the station heard it. Drop them an e-mail or old fashioned phone call if you care. I doubt they will see your post on this site.

A little "trick" if you don't get any response using regular means is to call or email the sales department. Most likely there are sponcers and most sales folks don't want their stuff messed up.
 
Or they could hire someone like me who actually cares about what's on the air, even on weekends.

We've been running AT40: The 80s on my Albuquerque station for almost two years. I write the automation log myself every week. I doublecheck on Saturday that the current week's program is in its directory. I even time everything out in advance so the show always ends right at noon, plus or minus one minute.

Hasn't F'd up yet.
 
Or they could hire someone like me who actually cares about what's on the air, even on weekends.
The object is to get rid of those pesky, expensive humans. Maybe someone will train AI to care about the listeners. Of course then someone will come up with a cheaper AI that doesn't care about the on air product and that AI will get kicked to the curb like the humans were.
 
The issue is that a weekend show like AT40 airing incorrectly isn't going to affect the bottom line, therefore it's likely not a priority for most programmers. I don't agree with the sentiment at all, but I can't imagine an overworked PD worrying too much if the AT40 show from the previous week replayed at 7am on a Saturday or 9pm on a Sunday.
 
The issue is that a weekend show like AT40 airing incorrectly isn't going to affect the bottom line, therefore it's likely not a priority for most programmers. I don't agree with the sentiment at all, but I can't imagine an overworked PD worrying too much if the AT40 show from the previous week replayed at 7am on a Saturday or 9pm on a Sunday.
If it's not sponsored why put it on the air? Another question how hard is it to put a start and end date on a file?
 
When I worked at a station that ran Casey each week the new show would overwrite the show from previous week, but the file number was the same and the log was identical each week. This was still when the show came on CD and we ripped it into the system every week. A careless production job could result in a segment (or more) from the previous show remaining even if the log looked accurate.
 
When I worked at a station that ran Casey each week the new show would overwrite the show from previous week, but the file number was the same and the log was identical each week. This was still when the show came on CD and we ripped it into the system every week. A careless production job could result in a segment (or more) from the previous show remaining even if the log looked accurate.

It is similar now. Premiere uses the same "cart numbers" week to week, but matters are complicated in that the classic replays now have "B" shows for weeks when the replayed show is from earlier in the decade (the "B" show is from the later part of the decade) for stations that feel those older songs are incompatible with the regular playlist. I happen to be programming one of those stations, and I feel the 1980-81-early 1982 period was far too top-heavy with AC and Country crossovers to be meaningful to our audience ... so I always run the "B" show when offered. That means two logs and it is my responsibility to make sure the right one is incorporated into the Sunday master log every week.

Fortunately, the production director at the station also knows this and always downloads the right version from Premiere. (I think he goofed once in two years.) So your comment on careless production is indeed an important part of the recipe, and I appreciate your bringing that up.

The key is that we make the effort to execute the program airing properly, and mistakes such as have been described is just plain sloppy.

If it's not sponsored why put it on the air? Another question how hard is it to put a start and end date on a file?

Automation systems, contrary to popular belief, do not check for start and end dates on individual audio files. There is a responsibility for programming and traffic to give it an accurate log to run; from there, if the logs calls for "20907" it looks for 20907.wav and plays it.

And, just for the record: I am in a position where we have advertisers who are guaranteed positions in AT40 (and we are about to up that ante by adding TOH sponsor billboard copy) so I am motivated to give them the best presentation possible to hold the audience long enough to hear their spots.

But, as David, BigA, myself and others have said repeatedly in the past, on weekends it is often better to run syndicated programming rather than have the existing staff (or, in the case of the group owners, a staffer in another market) voicetrack. In actual practice, more can go wrong with Tracking than can go wrong running four hours of At40.
 
I believe that iHeart stations taking in house Premiere longform shows like AT40 do not have to do anything at this point, assuming they are airing the 'A' show. From what I've heard the new files simply upload on all iHeart stations that have the show scheduled. Deciding to air a 'B' or special holiday weekend show still requires a manual upload.
 
I believe that iHeart stations taking in house Premiere longform shows like AT40 do not have to do anything at this point, assuming they are airing the 'A' show. From what I've heard the new files simply upload on all iHeart stations that have the show scheduled. Deciding to air a 'B' or special holiday weekend show still requires a manual upload.

Yes, but they are the exception. The rest of us get the shows via FTP, unless they are live and satellite-delivered.

The advantage of owning your syndicator.
 
Yes, but they are the exception. The rest of us get the shows via FTP, unless they are live and satellite-delivered.

The advantage of owning your syndicator.

That said, the best modern playout systems have lots of ways to automate imports, whether it's through FTP or otherwise.

(And yes, for those who don't know yet, I'm the new US rep for the Myriad suite of radio automation, which can handle automated FTP ingest really well. Happy to offer you a demo, KM!)
 
That said, the best modern playout systems have lots of ways to automate imports, whether it's through FTP or otherwise.

(And yes, for those who don't know yet, I'm the new US rep for the Myriad suite of radio automation, which can handle automated FTP ingest really well. Happy to offer you a demo, KM!)

While I appreciate the sentiment and the offer, the only two shows I run are AT40: The 80s (on KRKE) and the UARN public affairs shows (on multiple stations).

Both require pre-production before uploading to the automation; we edit out the TOH Premiere generic intro on AT40 so that our legal ID jingle plays directly into the show theme, and we edit in two local minutes of PI/DR spots into each of the UARN shows (because they allow for that, and the shows run exactly 30 minutes each when we fill those avails).

I don't suppose your software can do that ... :rolleyes:

However, you do make the point that there really isn't a good excuse for the incident this thread started off with.
 
You'd be surprised!

Assuming the shows either exist as segments, have cue points set within the files, or can have time-based rules apply to them ("remove the first 18.5 seconds and replace with..."), Myriad actually can automate a lot of that workflow and then "play out" the resulting log with your new intro or DR spots into a file that can be automatically uploaded wherever it's needed.

Can you tell I'm pretty excited about all it can do? 🤣
 
You'd be surprised!

Assuming the shows either exist as segments, have cue points set within the files, or can have time-based rules apply to them ("remove the first 18.5 seconds and replace with..."), Myriad actually can automate a lot of that workflow and then "play out" the resulting log with your new intro or DR spots into a file that can be automatically uploaded wherever it's needed.

Can you tell I'm pretty excited about all it can do? 🤣

I'm a couple of steps ahead of you, Scott. I have looked at the program files myself (as the consultant and programmer, I have the FTP logins for Premiere and UARN) and I don't see any easy way to automate the pre-production ...

AT40 comes as MP3s, and you know as well as I that you can't embed our usual control codes into those. The "remove the first 18.5 seconds" directive also doesn't work because the TOH billboards vary in length from hour to hour and at least half the time they are so close to the first note of the theme that it's a miracle (also known as my prod guy) that we can do a clean edit, even in Audition.

UARN moves its two local breaks around each week, depending on show content length. And they don't leave an actual "hole" ... just a one-second pause where stations can insert their local minute.

So, no consistency to create a standard set of directions for. It is simply easier to just go ahead and do everything manually, because it would take almost as long to create the directions for any given week (since we'd still have to either listen to the files or consult the cue sheets).

Sorry, Scott. It can't work as seamlessly for everyone as you'd like it to, although I can see it working in a lot of other scenarios (for example, it would be great for automating music updates).
 
96..1 Kool Radio ran a "new" episode of AT 40: The 70s Saturday morning at 7AM. It was from October 14th, 1978. The show must have originally been 4 hours instead of 3 as when the countdown started they were on Song number 30.

In fact, that was only the second week of the four-hour format.

And that is only the third time Premiere has scheduled that specific week; it last played in 2018.
 


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