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WCSB 89.3 Switches to JazzNEO

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Students don't own or hold the keys to anything belonging to a university. They can't "hand over" any keys or anything else. And at this station, most of the contributors were not even students, just volunteers.

They have no real or even philosophical rights at all.

In 1988, I took a business law class at Arizona State University (ASU). One of the topics in that class was the traditional U.S. view of property rights vs. the traditional Mexican view. The professor used hydraulic mining as an example, but I think the contradictory responses by @davideduardo and @fybush on this topic explains the differences in viewpoint very well.

@davideduardo is, according to my memory of what the professor said, taking the traditional U.S. view. The students didn't actually own the license; the university did. And the university can do whatever it wants with that license. It can have a faculty adviser oversee the radio operation (which it apparently did at one time and which was done at my old alma motta, Loyola Marymount University). It could apply to have the station get CPB funds and become a public radio station (before the reciscion happened, anyway). It could retain the license but hire an outside network to run the station. And it could chase the students out without any notice or a chance to have prerecorded goodbyes. The university has the license, it can do anything it wants to with it, and the students, and even more so, community members have absolutely no say. That is the traditional U.S. view of property ownership.

@fybush, on the other hand, argues that the university does have a responsibility to the student and community operators to let them know well beforehand so that any change can be done in an orderly and responsible fashion. This is what my ASU professor called the Mexican view of property rights; that is, the people who are affected by the property owner's decisions have a say in how and what decisions are made precisely because they are directly affected by those decisions.

Though I have been a U.S. citizen all of my life (my background is Irish [mom's side] and English [dad's side]), I find myself more in agreement with the traditional Mexican view of property rights as argued by @fybush here. The U.S. view, while personally and emotionally satisfying, seems to me to be very selfish, self-centered, and shortsighted. Since the students had been running WCSB-FM for, as @fybush put it, "decades", they should have had a say in WCSB's future, though they didn't own the station's license.
 
Since the students had been running WCSB-FM for, as @fybush put it, "decades", they should have had a say in WCSB's future, though they didn't own the station's license.

The complication here is "in loco parentis." The university acts as parents to the undergraduate students. They are mostly minors, under 21.

Minors have no say in how they're raised. This was a club, not an academic function. It was an expensive, FCC licensed sandbox, for which the university was legally responsible. The university didn't want to pay someone to oversee their property anymore. They instead wanted to leverage it for learning.

From what I could see, the students did nothing to demonstrate a value to the university. At my college station, the student GM regularly invited the university president to do a call in show on the station. Just something to involve the university. If they know you, and they feel involved, they're more likely to involve you in what they're doing.
 
From what I could see, the students did nothing to demonstrate a value to the university. At my college station, the student GM regularly invited the university president to do a call in show on the station. Just something to involve the university. If they know you, and they feel involved, they're more likely to involve you in what they're doing.
President Bloomberg was interviewed at least three times on WCSB.
 
In an interesting development, RAMP today published (quoted almost in its entirety as RAMP is a free site):

Coloration of key paragraph is mine.

RAMP: email : Webview : RAMP for Wednesday, October 15, 2025

"College radio is experiencing a Gen Z renaissance -- for example, Montclair State University's WMSC 90.3 FM alone has 977 undergraduate student members. But while some universities embrace this growth, others are moving in the opposite direction...

On October 3rd -- ironically, World College Radio Day -- student staff at Cleveland State University's WCSB 89.3 FM arrived for their shows and found campus police waiting to clear them out. The locks had been changed. As RAMP and other outlets recently reported, Cleveland State had partnered with Ideastream Public Media to take over the operation of WCSB, converting the formerly student-run station to JazzNEO. With less than 24 hours notice, decades of content couldn't be properly archived. This is the third university this month to remove students from their own station.

College Broadcasters, Inc. (CBI) works to educate administrators on a critical reality: once a broadcast license is transferred or relinquished, reclaiming it is nearly impossible. The FCC licensing process is complex, competitive, and takes years. Available frequencies are limited, especially in urban markets. CBI advocates for keeping these licenses student-centric because college radio serves as both a recruitment and retention tool where students dedicate time for no pay and no grade because they love it. They serve their community through public airwaves while creating transformative change in their lives.

After CSU's shutdown, CBI immediately mobilized -- connecting WCSB students with expert support, providing complimentary membership, and creating the first-ever NSMC Travel Fund to provide transportation for WCSB's student leadership to next week's National Student Media Convention (NSMC), which is taking place at the Denver Embassy Suites Downtown from October 22-25.

WCSB's student General Manager Alison Bomgardner and student Business Manager Liam Main will be in Denver to lead a session at NSMC on Friday, October 24 -- Cleveland Doesn't Rock: WCSB vs CSU, will discuss how they lost their signal and how they're fighting back."


My comment this is not the "students own station" as the article states. It is the university's.

My question: if there was indeed "decades of content" why could it not be preserved or even given to the students for an online station? Nowhere does it say anything about what such content might be or even why it should be preserved.
 
There's paradoxical thinking here with RAMP's framing of the story. WCSB was never a pipeline for radio stations** like WBWC has been and that's because WBWC runs a fairly tight modern rock format. (And even then we aren't talking about Syracuse University, which is a media talent machine.) It's hard to catalog the history of a station that has been in existence for nearly 50 years but the output of talent working in the industry could be counted with two hands.

A low-power FM does exist in Cleveland proper, WOVU 95.9. Why can't they take on the ethnic shows or some of the community offerings? Why can't they do a partnership or something? That would seem like a no-brainer.

** I am not counting WCSB's carrier current predecessor, which was a pipeline for WMMS because Milt Maltz was cheap.
 
My question: if there was indeed "decades of content" why could it not be preserved or even given to the students for an online station? Nowhere does it say anything about what such content might be or even why it should be preserved.

In listening to the panel discussion with the university, Ideastream, and the students, the university president was very clear that she encouraged the students to continue the club, and seek out creating an online station. She said any funds they raised would remain with the club. But there didn't appear to be any interest in that from the student GM. She wants her FM signal back,
 
"College radio is experiencing a Gen Z renaissance -- for example, Montclair State University's WMSC 90.3 FM alone has 977 undergraduate student members.

It should be noted that WMSC is run by the college's school of communication, not by the students, and is located in an academic building. It's not a club but part of the academic program. The number of students involved is connected to the number of students enrolled in the academic program.
 
In listening to the panel discussion with the university, Ideastream, and the students, the university president was very clear that she encouraged the students to continue the club, and seek out creating an online station. She said any funds they raised would remain with the club. But there didn't appear to be any interest in that from the student GM. She wants her FM signal back,
At what point can it be said that Alison Bomgardner's stubbornness with wanting to have WCSB on FM is the actual problem here? Because it's starting to feel that way.
 
Another thing WCSB staff wants back is their music library. It's a mix of CSB's property and stuff they technically borrowed, and some of it is irreplicable. Some staff have personal belongings still at the station as well.
 
First-adjacent WNZN 89.1 (licensed to Lorain but with a transmitter near Huron) doesn't necessarily help, either. I also get occasional interference from Yes FM usually west of Westlake.

Sometime during the late 90's, WNZN's signal unintentionally shifted to 89.2. Of course US radios typically don't have an 89.2, but I could tell because it was equally as distorted on 89.1 and 89.3. It eventually shifted to 89.3, then someone caught wind of it and moved it back to 89.1... it was very strange
 
There's paradoxical thinking here with RAMP's framing of the story. WCSB was never a pipeline for radio stations** like WBWC has been and that's because WBWC runs a fairly tight modern rock format. (And even then we aren't talking about Syracuse University, which is a media talent machine.) It's hard to catalog the history of a station that has been in existence for nearly 50 years but the output of talent working in the industry could be counted with two hands.

A low-power FM does exist in Cleveland proper, WOVU 95.9. Why can't they take on the ethnic shows or some of the community offerings? Why can't they do a partnership or something? That would seem like a no-brainer.

** I am not counting WCSB's carrier current predecessor, which was a pipeline for WMMS because Milt Maltz was cheap.
WOVU's coverage area is nowhere as good as WCSB. Also, WOVU's prime mission is serving the Black communities of the East Side, and let's face it...Cleveland is not exactly a prime example of race relations between the Black community and these old Eastern European communities (most of who ditched the city during White Flight). Those shows are probably better off going to WHK/WHKW or WERE 1490.
 
Another thing WCSB staff wants back is their music library. It's a mix of CSB's property and stuff they technically borrowed, and some of it is irreplicable. Some staff have personal belongings still at the station as well.
If the university had the license, which they did, does that not make the university the legal owners of WCSB's intellectual property and music library? I would really like to hear a take on this from a legal expert.
 
Any portion of the music library that WCSB needs or thinks they will need, should stay but the remaining library should go to the non-profit group that was the programming on WSCB. That would be a nice gesture. Why they were not heavily online (maybe they were but it's not mentioned), is inexcusible on the part of WCSB leadership. It should have been an easy transition because of a well marketed online presence.
 
Any portion of the music library that WCSB needs or thinks they will need, should stay but the remaining library should go to the non-profit group that was the programming on WSCB. That would be a nice gesture. Why they were not heavily online (maybe they were but it's not mentioned), is inexcusible on the part of WCSB leadership. It should have been an easy transition because of a well marketed online presence.

Prior to the switch to the jazz stream, WCSB-FM was simulcasting all of its programming online. What happened here was that the students were not given advance warning about the changes and the university didn't offer to assist them in setting up an online outlet. (And, because of the way it was done, former station management probably would not have taken any university offer had occured.)
 
Prior to the switch to the jazz stream, WCSB-FM was simulcasting all of its programming online. What happened here was that the students were not given advance warning about the changes and the university didn't offer to assist them in setting up an online outlet. (And, because of the way it was done, former station management probably would not have taken any university offer had occured.)
Both sides are dug in and Ms. Bomgardner is using their 15 minutes of fame to capitalize and admittedly grift on their online popularity. Any iteration of campus radio at Cleveland State is most definitely not coming back now and it's a matter of time before Ideastream rescinds their offers to the student body and the university simply disbands the organization behind WCSB.

This should have been worked out right away but it's a desire by WCSB staff and alumni to cling to a past that never was in a future that cannot support it, propped up by the mob mentality thought bubble that is Facebook. And they're damaging the viability of public media in northern Ohio altogether on mere pettiness, which I cannot and will not forgive them for.
 
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Any iteration of campus radio at Cleveland State is most definitely not coming back now and it's a matter of time before Ideastream rescinds their offers to the student body and the university simply disbands the organization behind WCSB.
There you have pinpointed the real risk for the student group: the administrators of the university and IdeaStream will say "enough of this" and void all offers of any positions at the "renewed" station made to the former staff.
 
There you have pinpointed the real risk for the student group: the administrators of the university and IdeaStream will say "enough of this" and void all offers of any positions at the "renewed" station made to the former staff.
This unhinged Facebook post from one of their former hosts is giving both Ideastream and CSU just cause to do just that. It also validates @TheBigA's belief that these are spoiled children.

Rarely have things genuinely angered me as seeing something so selfish posted by someone who clearly doesn't care about the future or the students who will attend Cleveland State long afterwards.
 
the university didn't offer to assist them in setting up an online outlet.

The university has said the students are welcome to pursue their own online station. The university doesn't want to pay for it. The president said they're not going to take away any money raised by the students. She said they can apply that money to establishing a new station.

But let's be clear: The reason why the students are in this situation now is because the university applied for and received the FM license, not the students. So why would the students want to have the university do the exact same thing with an online station? The students should do the work and figure out who is going to register the domain, and all the ownership stuff,
 
CSU screwed this up. They could have very easily left the station alone and let them continue online from the same studios with no changes. Online music rights cost more than broadcast rights (thanks NAB), but with that million dollar donation, CSU couldn't peel off a few bucks to cover the online music rights? I would have changed the call letters of 89.3 so that there is only one WCSB. I would even have established an HD service on 89.3 with the online WCSB as HD-2. I understand the selection of a jazz format. If you look at the Nielsen ratings, the Jazz NEO HD-2 stream on 90.3 actually shows in the ratings, which is remarkable for an HD-2, so there is an obvious opportunity here. But once again, CSU showed no respect or desire to make any proposals. Just throw the staff out at once with no notice, aided by security guards yet! Shameful and completely unnecessary.
 
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