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San Diego FM stations that aren't on Mt Soledad

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e-dawg

Majority of San Diego FM stations are transmitting at Mt. Soledad. I'm just curious of why these stations can't transmit at Mt. Soledad?

KSDS 88.3 - Transmits at Mesa college
KARJ 92.1 - Transmits near Frank's Peak in Escondido
KWFN 97.3 - Transmits in Serra Mesa area on top of KLSD 1360 AM
KHTS-FM 93.3 - Transmits in Serra Mesa area on top of KLSD 1360AM
KGB-FM 101.5 - Transmits in Serra Mesa area on top of KLSD 1360 AM
KLNV 106.5 - Transmits in Serra Mesa area on top of KLSD 1360 AM

Should these signal transmits on top of Mt. Soledad to have a clear coverage around the San Diego Metropolitan area?
 
I can hazard a guess about KARJ. Its COL is Escondido and, being a Class A, would have to take a huge power cut to move to Soledad. Combining that with the increased mileage might prevent them from putting the required city-grade signal over Escondido.

Not that I care about any EMF-owned station having any coverage area.
 
"How about this one does Mt. San Miguel count as places where the XTMR is not on Mount Soledad. One of them is KPBS-FM and KPBS-TV San Diego they are on Mount San Miguel."

KPBS-FM 89.5 move to Mt. Soledad from Mt. San Miguel few years ago.
 
e-dawg said:
Majority of San Diego FM stations are transmitting at Mt. Soledad. I'm just curious of why these stations can't transmit at Mt. Soledad?

KGB-FM 101.5 - Transmits in Serra Mesa area on top of KLSD 1360 AM
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According to @fybush , the FM stick went on the AM tower when 1360 (then KGB) bought 101.5 in 1958.



e-dawg said:
Should these signal transmits on top of Mt. Soledad to have a clear coverage around the San Diego Metropolitan area?
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I don't know that KGB-FM is at any disadvantage. I've always been able to pick them up clearly from well outside the San Diego metro.
 
e-dawg said:
Majority of San Diego FM stations are transmitting at Mt. Soledad. I'm just curious of why these stations can't transmit at Mt. Soledad?

KSDS 88.3 - Transmits at Mesa college
KARJ 92.1 - Transmits near Frank's Peak in Escondido
KWFN 97.3 - Transmits in Serra Mesa area on top of KLSD 1360 AM
KHTS-FM 93.3 - Transmits in Serra Mesa area on top of KLSD 1360AM
KGB-FM 101.5 - Transmits in Serra Mesa area on top of KLSD 1360 AM
KLNV 106.5 - Transmits in Serra Mesa area on top of KLSD 1360 AM

Should these signal transmits on top of Mt. Soledad to have a clear coverage around the San Diego Metropolitan area?
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The area of San Diego where the 1360 (and four FM's) have their transmitters is called Oak Park. Serra Mesa is north of Mission Valley and
The 8. East of The 805, West of The 15 and south of Aero Drive.
 
e-dawg said:
Majority of San Diego FM stations are transmitting at Mt. Soledad. I'm just curious of why these stations can't transmit at Mt. Soledad?

KSDS 88.3 - Transmits at Mesa college
KARJ 92.1 - Transmits near Frank's Peak in Escondido
KWFN 97.3 - Transmits in Serra Mesa area on top of KLSD 1360 AM
KHTS-FM 93.3 - Transmits in Serra Mesa area on top of KLSD 1360AM
KGB-FM 101.5 - Transmits in Serra Mesa area on top of KLSD 1360 AM
KLNV 106.5 - Transmits in Serra Mesa area on top of KLSD 1360 AM

Should these signal transmits on top of Mt. Soledad to have a clear coverage around the San Diego Metropolitan area?
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KSDS-FM will be unable to move, or even raise its power, because of the Temecula station at 88.1. Also, beyond the COL issue raised by K.M. Richards above, there is the little matter of a rather strong 92.5 from Tijuana that might have some bearing on the possibility of KARJ moving. (Yes, I know of the Tijuana signals near several of the other Mt. Soledad locations but their penetration of San Diego proper is weak in comparison.)
 
ted chittenden said:
Also, beyond the COL issue raised by K.M. Richards above, there is the little matter of a rather strong 92.5 from Tijuana that might have some bearing on the possibility of KARJ moving.
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While a second-adjacent signal is always a concern, Ted, you raise a more important point here, and that is with the second-adjacent being in Tijuana, any such move would require concurrence by the Mexican government.

That may well be the reason KARJ is still at 3kW when the usual Class A limit is 6kW. @fybush would likely know better than I.
 
This is a good question. All I can do is speculate that it has to do with adjacent channels in both the US and Mexico.

The Oak Park site is getting very crowded. The nearby Emerald Hills site had to relocate to the towers at Oak Park due to a planned residential community. This included KGB-FM, KWFN, and KHTS that were on the KOGO towers. KOGO is now diplexed with KGB-AM in Santee.

The problem I see, is how much longer before the Oak Park land is sold off for development. Then where does everybody go?.
 
KilowattKat said:
The problem I see, is how much longer before the Oak Park land is sold off for development. Then where does everybody go?.
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It is indeed a problem in a lot of places (not just San Diego), and is in many cases a contributing -- or even deciding -- factor in the number of AMs that have surrendered their licenses and gone permanently silent.

One AM that I consult the programming for is a 1kW daytimer which is using a pole as a radiator, with it and the ground system on the back end of a commercial property owned by one of their advertising clients. If they weren't non-directional they might have a real problem.

This is something that could never have been contemplated when the industry was young ... that the real estate for towers would eventually become more valuable than the stations using it. And, as you point out, it's already a reality down there in market #19.
 
K.M. Richards said:
I can hazard a guess about KARJ. Its COL is Escondido and, being a Class A, would have to take a huge power cut to move to Soledad. Combining that with the increased mileage might prevent them from putting the required city-grade signal over Escondido.

Not that I care about any EMF-owned station having any coverage area.
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I believe that Escondido is actually below line of site from Mt Soledad, therefore a class A station at that location indeed would be too week.
 
ted chittenden said:
KSDS-FM will be unable to move, or even raise its power, because of the Temecula station at 88.1.
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I live in San Diego County, and I'm not aware of any Temecula station on 88.1. There is a flea-power religious station on Palomar Mountain at 88.1, but it's directional towards Oceanside (away from San Diego). The bigger problem for KSDS is 88.1 in Long Beach, a full Class B that (depending on tropospheric and fog conditions) can sometimes be heard well down in San Diego near the coast. Interestingly, it's also a jazz station. Another issue is KSBR, the AAA station on 88.5 up in Mission Viejo; it's a B1 signal. So yes, KSDS is pretty hemmed-in.
 
Signal Geek said:
I live in San Diego County, and I'm not aware of any Temecula station on 88.1. There is a flea-power religious station on Palomar Mountain at 88.1, but it's directional towards Oceanside (away from San Diego). The bigger problem for KSDS is 88.1 in Long Beach, a full Class B that (depending on tropospheric and fog conditions) can sometimes be heard well down in San Diego near the coast. Interestingly, it's also a jazz station. Another issue is KSBR, the AAA station on 88.5 up in Mission Viejo; it's a B1 signal. So yes, KSDS is pretty hemmed-in.
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I double-checked and you are correct about Temecula. KSDW-FM, which I thought was at 88.1 mHz, is actually at 88.9 mHz. I would also add one more station )per K.M. Richards' comments above) to the reasons that KSDS-FM is unlikely to move; namely, the Tijuana station licensed at 88.7 mHz. For KSDS-FM to gain more power or switch transmitter sites, the Mexican government would have to agree and that is not a given.
 
ted chittenden said:
I double-checked and you are correct about Temecula. KSDW-FM, which I thought was at 88.1 mHz, is actually at 88.9 mHz. I would also add one more station )per K.M. Richards' comments above) to the reasons that KSDS-FM is unlikely to move; namely, the Tijuana station licensed at 88.7 mHz. For KSDS-FM to gain more power or switch transmitter sites, the Mexican government would have to agree and that is not a given.
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Not to come across as being rude, but do you do any research before posting? I'm amazed by the large amount of misinformation that you post.
 
ted chittenden said:
I double-checked and you are correct about Temecula. KSDW-FM, which I thought was at 88.1 mHz, is actually at 88.9 mHz. I would also add one more station )per K.M. Richards' comments above) to the reasons that KSDS-FM is unlikely to move; namely, the Tijuana station licensed at 88.7 mHz. For KSDS-FM to gain more power or switch transmitter sites, the Mexican government would have to agree and that is not a given.
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"Agreement" indicates an exchange of communications. In fact, many changes in both AM and FM assignments within a specified distance of the US-México border are dealt with in codified agreements.

In other words, if a U.S. station within that "border zone" moves to another tower or changes its power, it can get FCC approval if it is in compliance with the agreements. And that is without having to get consent or approval by the appropriate authorities in Mexico.
 
KilowattKat said:
Not to come across as being rude, but do you do any research before posting? I'm amazed by the large amount of misinformation that you post.
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As with all posts, if you spot something that is incorrect or which needs further clarification, please post your reaction. An undocumented accusation, while perhaps correct (or not) does not enhance the thread in question.
 


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