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WNJE 920 from Fybush

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Tommy Roberts Jr

From Fybush.
*Edwin Andrade’s Voice Radio Network is looking to relocate its WNJE (920) in Trenton, NEW JERSEY, telling the FCC that its longtime four-tower site across the river in Washington Crossing, PA is up for renewal “at a rental price which is not financially sustainable by an AM broadcast station which has many other operational and administrative expenses.”
So Andrade is asking for special temporary authority to run WNJE with just 14 watts non-directional from the tower site of sister station WIFI (1460 Florence NJ), and if that seems like it won’t get out very far, well, it doesn’t matter as long as it keeps WNJE’s 98.5 translator in Trenton on the air with its “La Raza” Spanish-language programming.
 
I live not far from the tower site in Florence. I can hear both 1460 and 920 clearly in the evening. Do you think the FCC will grant this? Have they approved the sale?
 
Kingbill49 said:
I live not far from the tower site in Florence. I can hear both 1460 and 920 clearly in the evening. Do you think the FCC will grant this? Have they approved the sale?
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The FCC has allowed stations to run "traffic information" gear to keep their translator "legal" Right now WYYZ is doing using a modified TIS on a telephone post with no grounding. They barely cover 5 miles daytime on a good car radio. Maybe a mile or two at night. Of course they are on 1490 and North GA has really really poor soil conductivity.
 
AMRadioGuy said:
I thought the FM translators couldn't be way outside the AM groudwave coverage of a station?

Or is that just during the application process?
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The 60 dBu contour of the translator cannot exceed the larger of the 2 mV daytime groundwave contour of the AM *or* a 25-mile radius from the AM site.
 
fybush said:
The 60 dBu contour of the translator cannot exceed the larger of the 2 mV daytime groundwave contour of the AM *or* a 25-mile radius from the AM site.
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Ahh, so they get away with this crap because even if they're running the AM into a toothpick or whatever, the translator can still cover 60 dBu up to 25 miles from the transmitter site? Huh. Interesting.

Thanks for the clarification!
 
AMRadioGuy said:
Ahh, so they get away with this crap because even if they're running the AM into a toothpick or whatever, the translator can still cover 60 dBu up to 25 miles from the transmitter site? Huh. Interesting.

Thanks for the clarification!
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I venture to say if it were not for FM translators, 70%+ of the FCC class B,C and D AMs would have already turned in their license. The translators have "saved" AM. I guess clappy AM is better than no AM.
 
Well AMRadioGuy, if you owned an AM that was losing money because of the cost to operate your AM station and the land was worth many times what the station's value is, would you seek out a good broadcast engineer to apply to move the station and set up at a tiny power output got your AM and put a real estate agent on selling the land or would you just continue to lose money? We know the translator often has more luisteners reaching a much smaller area than the full power AM reaching all the city.
 
b-turner said:
Well AMRadioGuy, if you owned an AM that was losing money because of the cost to operate your AM station and the land was worth many times what the station's value is, would you seek out a good broadcast engineer to apply to move the station and set up at a tiny power output got your AM and put a real estate agent on selling the land or would you just continue to lose money? We know the translator often has more luisteners reaching a much smaller area than the full power AM reaching all the city.
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I’ve often wondered how many people listen to KYW on 103.9 vs. 1060. If I’m not mistaken those numbers aren’t available to the public. I still listen on 1060 because 103.9 often times breaks up in the suburbs but 1060 puts out a solid signal throughout the entire listening area. At the Jersey shore I’ll listen to the Breeze on 100.7 but that too starts to break up pretty quickly as you’re heading west on 195 from Belmar. Sometimes I’ll switch over to their main signal on 1410 for a few more miles but that deteriorates significantly by the time you reach Great Adventure. I sometimes think I may be literally be the only one actually tuned to 1410 for those few minutes.
 
Most likely the class A FM has more listeners than the Class A AM.

That being said 50KW AM in a directional pattern should deliver a lot better signal (in the lobes) then 50KW Omni directional. Of course the signal sucks in the nulls of a directional AM if everything is working correctly.
 


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