Once again, the university board wants to get out of the radio business. You (and the students) keep going back to status quo. That's not what the university wants. How do you satisfy the students without returning to the status quo?
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WCSB Flips to Jazz
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Once again, the university board wants to get out of the radio business. You (and the students) keep going back to status quo. That's not what the university wants. How do you satisfy the students without returning to the status quo?
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I get it might be a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation for CSU, but which branch of the tree is hanging lower here? It might not be the one you are implying it is.
And I heard you the other times that you said it.. I was meatily trying to get you to think deeper... at what cost?
I get it might be a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation for CSU, but which branch of the tree is hanging lower here? It might not be the one you are implying it is.
I know it’s a rhetorical question, but you simply can’t. The university has already closed the door on the campus format ever returning on 89.3.
Below is the first lengthy article I've read on the WCSB situation and includes information about available written records on the subject.
www.clevescene.com
Some thoughts after reading the article:
@TheBigA and others are correct when they say that the university has been losing money recently; however, this deal, not only per university president Bloomberg's words but also the written documentation, appears less to do with creating more funds for the university and more to do with Mrs. Bloomberg's vision for the university.
WCSB was actually the *second* college radio station that the Ideastream approached about running its jazz network. The Ideastream people had first approached the college owner of WJCU-FM but was rebuffed.
While I do not agree with protest signs that said that "Jazz is not a public service," (it was the first musical style birthed and developed inside the U.S.), I don't agree that having the style of college and community radio that WCSB provided was a bad thing. I live in Phoenix, AZ, and in the non-commercial sector of the FM band here, the only two radio stations run by colleges are public news/talk KJZZ and classical KBAQ. While Arizona State University does have a radio station, it is a campus-only outlet that has had to change its AM frequency because of FCC-licensed move-ins. In other words, Phoenix, with the possible exception of a brief period during the 1950s, has never had a station like WCSB or the other college and community stations like it dotted around the U.S.
Finally, the students do have some hope (though not much) that either Mrs. Bloomberg or the Board members will change their minds. The article notes that after student protest, the school did back on another change it had sought earlier unrelated to radio.
Inside the Backlash Against CSU and Ideastream After Unceremonious Killing of WCSB
Current and former staffers have been joined by fans, community members and even city council in decrying the decision to end college radio in favor of simulcast jazz.
www.clevescene.com
Some thoughts after reading the article:
@TheBigA and others are correct when they say that the university has been losing money recently; however, this deal, not only per university president Bloomberg's words but also the written documentation, appears less to do with creating more funds for the university and more to do with Mrs. Bloomberg's vision for the university.
WCSB was actually the *second* college radio station that the Ideastream approached about running its jazz network. The Ideastream people had first approached the college owner of WJCU-FM but was rebuffed.
While I do not agree with protest signs that said that "Jazz is not a public service," (it was the first musical style birthed and developed inside the U.S.), I don't agree that having the style of college and community radio that WCSB provided was a bad thing. I live in Phoenix, AZ, and in the non-commercial sector of the FM band here, the only two radio stations run by colleges are public news/talk KJZZ and classical KBAQ. While Arizona State University does have a radio station, it is a campus-only outlet that has had to change its AM frequency because of FCC-licensed move-ins. In other words, Phoenix, with the possible exception of a brief period during the 1950s, has never had a station like WCSB or the other college and community stations like it dotted around the U.S.
Finally, the students do have some hope (though not much) that either Mrs. Bloomberg or the Board members will change their minds. The article notes that after student protest, the school did back on another change it had sought earlier unrelated to radio.
It's not up to me. I'm not involved. I'm just someone who's seen this happen before. All I know is that the students only want one thing.
I really wish people didn't rely on false hope like that. Do they realize the board isn't going to wave a magic wand and terminate an eight-year lease because they'd be at risk of litigation from Ideastream for probable breach of contract?
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Your comment somehow reminds me of the Frank Sinatra 1959 song, "High Hopes,", specifically the verse about the ram butting the dam though everybody tried to get the ram to scram...
Remember that this song was kind of a theme song for the 1960 JFK campaign and it apparently worked!
Remember that this song was kind of a theme song for the 1960 JFK campaign and it apparently worked!
Remember that this song was kind of a theme song for the 1960 JFK campaign and it apparently worked!
Down the road, I wonder if there would be a possibility for 'CSB to lease an AM station? Sort of like what WWCD Columbus did for a while? WWCD had a couple FM leases, one of them came with an AM as a package deal.
Would leasing an AM be more affordable than leasing an FM? Would it more likely to have an opening for lease than an FM?
Would leasing an AM be more affordable than leasing an FM? Would it more likely to have an opening for lease than an FM?
Who would pay? Not the university. Not Ideastream. Could the students raise that kind of money? And who would be responsible? As in, a name on a contract.
I still haven't read a single quote from the student GM that she'd accept anything but a return of the FM. Nobody can talk options with that.
Did I say the university? Did I say Ideastream? I'm thinking if it would be feasible for the students to do it from their own funds.
If say, a WERE or a WJMO one day decided they wanted to lease for whatever reason with Ideastream/CSU totally out of the picture.
It's a big step. They would need to form a company with a board and designate a responsible party to sign a contract.
They could be working on it now, rather than holding protests and speaking at a college radio conference.
Alison speaks tomorrow. It'll be interesting to hear what she says:
National Student Media Convention: Cleveland Doesn't Rock: WCSB vs CSU
View more about this event at National Student Media Convention
nsmcdenver25.sched.com
The WWCD saga makes me feel so badly for Randy Malloy. He tried valiantly to keep the CD101 IP alive despite insurmountable odds and a global pandemic. Ultimately I wouldn't consider that a viable option for anyone.
I cannot imagine why 1.) Radio One would be willing to give up either station or 2.) Alison Bomgardner would want to lease an AM station, not just for the impracticalities, but because it would be a concession they aren't getting 89.3 back.
Exactly this. You can't compromise when one party out of the three involved is being unreasonable and unwilling to want to work on an actual solution. It ultimately makes these protests and resolutions from Cleveland City Council an exercise in futility.
I wish WRUW kept their archives up longer, but I vaguely remember her saying she'd be open to an LPFM but the FM Band is pretty jam packed so that's likely out.
I could go on a long tangent on happing an FM Hobby band, or how the the Americas are screwed with 200 khz spacing, when everyone outside of the Americas and Caribbean have 100khz spacing and it's working fine and dandy, but that's a whole different story, heh
I could go on a long tangent on happing an FM Hobby band, or how the the Americas are screwed with 200 khz spacing, when everyone outside of the Americas and Caribbean have 100khz spacing and it's working fine and dandy, but that's a whole different story, heh
Had to sing that damn song in high school for Choir/Glee class. And, of course, I got in trouble for changing the words to entertain myself and others.....
But, I also liked it. I was the "weird" kid in high school that like all those 1950s tunes, like "Hot Diggity (Dog Ziggity Boom)"
The student GM spoke at a college radio seminar over the weekend. This is the only article on her speech I could find:
www.radiosurvivor.com
It sounds like she hasn't changed her position. She wants the FM signal back.
WCSB Student Leaders and Supporters Fight Against Takeover of Cleveland State University's Student-Run College Radio Station - Radio Survivor
On Friday, October 3, as World College Radio Day was being celebrated across the country and around the globe, students were locked out of their long-time home at college radio station WCSB 89.3 FM at Cleveland State University. Word soon spread that a deal had been struck between university...
www.radiosurvivor.com
It sounds like she hasn't changed her position. She wants the FM signal back.
The buzzards were circling weeks ago. There's flies covering all of that horse's body and it hasn't breathed a breath for a couple of weeks or more yet Alison wants to saddle up and take a ride.
I read in the article some guy had a message plane fly over with a message of support. Me, my mind goes to all this wasted ime and energy that could go to building an online station. The message plane could have helped them do so if the money wasn't spent on a message plane almost nobody will see and if they do, even care about. The mindset of these people amazes me because it is so opposite of mine.
I read in the article some guy had a message plane fly over with a message of support. Me, my mind goes to all this wasted ime and energy that could go to building an online station. The message plane could have helped them do so if the money wasn't spent on a message plane almost nobody will see and if they do, even care about. The mindset of these people amazes me because it is so opposite of mine.
Is taking a ride before or after the next round of flogging?