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WLIB 1190 AM

It seems a waste for WLIB to be simulcasting for months LaExitosa on 98.7 FM, which has a strong signal. As it could take years till a buyer emerges, would it be difficult to lease out or sell time on the station, till someone eventually acquires it? Perhaps there could be arrangements to carry sports play by play that overlaps coverage of other games.
Even if the resulting revenue is modest, it may be better than just running a simulcast.
 
Even if the resulting revenue is modest, it may be better than just running a simulcast.

Emmis is trying to exit the radio business. Is it a waste? Sure. It's Emmis' money, and they're allowed to waste it.

They've been very public about trying to sell these stations. Everyone knows the deal. This is the result.

Another very easy solution would be for them to file an STA. Lots of companies have done that.
 
Keep in mind the company that did that no longer owns the station.

If Emmis just turns in the license, the current owner of WOWO can apply for a signal upgrade.

Of course, a little research before posting prevents making presumptions that aren't accurate. You should know by now how many here fail to perform the former and then post the latter, A.
 
Keep in mind the company that did that no longer owns the station.

If Emmis just turns in the license, the current owner of WOWO can apply for a signal upgrade.

Actually, no, it can't. Other 1190s have made signal upgrades in the meantime that would make it impossible for WOWO to return to its former class A status and protection.

WOWO might be able to increase night power as a class B within class B protections, but really, why would Federated bother at this point? They have a full-power FM signal that more than covers their rated market. And it's not 1994. Nobody's investing money into AM.
 
Thank you, Scott. Just another reason why the uninformed armchair quarterback should have done his homework before posting.

And in actuality, everyone who is a regular participant here knows perfectly well what you said in your last sentence. On that basis, I retract my previous statement ... no one should have the need to research before making a comment suggesting that any AM signal is worth upgrading now.

Because -- in my opinion -- any such suggestion is automatically off-topic these days, regardless of the thread subject.
 
Returning to my original question, would there be any down side to Emmis trying to lease out or broker WLIB for as long as they still own it? There is plenty of leased and brokered programming in this area, much of it on stations with inferior signals.
This would seem preferable to simply simulcasting the FM, or taking the station silent. At least it would bring in some revenue. And there would be a possibility that the party doing the leasing would end up purchasing the station.
 
Returning to my original question, would there be any down side to Emmis trying to lease out or broker WLIB for as long as they still own it?

You remember that he was trying to lease out 98.7, right? That got him The TJ Show. When that ran out, he ended up with Exitosa.

So that means he can't lease out the FM. At least not for the rate he wants. Perhaps that's the same situation with the AM.

Jeff Smulyan knows the radio business. He's been doing this a long time. He knows the options. Let's give him a modicum of credit.
 
WOWO's nighttime skywave service required WLIB in New York City, which also broadcasts at 1190 kHz, to operate during daylight hours only with 10,000 watts of power permitted by FCC. But if WLIB could operate at night, it would become much more valuable to its owner, Inner City Broadcasting. So in 1994, Inner City bought WOWO, even though nearly all its other holdings were radio stations serving African American listeners. Inner City's intention was to reduce WOWO from a Class A to a Class B, giving up its clear-channel status, reducing power to 9,800 watts after sunset. This move permitted WLIB to broadcast around the clock, no longer needing to sign off to protect WOWO's nighttime clear-channel signal. This reduced WOWO's potential audience to a much smaller local region in northern Indiana, northwestern Ohio, and south-central Michigan. Before the power reduction, when WLIB signed off at night, WOWO could often be heard on the speakers in WLIB's studios.

I never heard WOWO on AM because I'm in California, So KEX was booming at night

That's messed up what Inner City did baack then, But I know it was just business

Why did WOWO sell anyways backthen? I don't understand
 
Why did WOWO sell anyways backthen? I don't understand
Money talks. In the early 90s, WOWO was struggling like many other AM stations. When Inner City purchased it, WOWO was still running a full-service music format.

If you are within 50 miles of Fort Wayne, nothing changed when WOWO downgraded. Certainly not days, as WOWO kept its 50kW ND daytime signal. There was reduced power at night (50->10kW), and a null towards NYC.
 
I never heard WOWO on AM because I'm in California, So KEX was booming at night

That's messed up what Inner City did baack then, But I know it was just business

Why did WOWO sell anyways backthen? I don't understand

It wasn't "messed up" at all. I would have done exactly what they did if I had owned WLIB.

Remember, this was the early 1990s. No streaming, no satellite radio, no HD radio. Each owner was still limited to one AM and one FM in a market and a limited number of stations nationally.

Every one of those stations was therefore pretty valuable, especially in a big market. If you were in NYC in 1993, you had about 50 choices of what to listen to live. Total. That was it. WLIB's programming back then was aimed at the hundreds of thousands of New Yorkers who came from the Caribbean, and if that was you - if you wanted to hear music and news from Jamaica or Trinidad or wherever - you couldn't just stream something. You had WLIB or a couple of competitors to choose from.

Having a daytime-only AM station in the biggest market in the country was therefore a huge disadvantage for Inner City compared to its competitors. 20 million potential listeners in the market and for half of drive time in winter, you're not on the air at all.

WOWO at this point was owned by Price Communications, a typical medium sized broadcaster of the era that owned a few scattered TV and radio stations. They put WOWO up for sale in hopes of tapping into an increase in station values now that the FCC was beginning to allow two AMs and two FMs per owner in a market. Lots of owners were doing the same thing at the time.

Price didn't really care who they sold WOWO to. They had made an investment buying WOWO from Group W and running it for a dozen years and now it was time to cash out of that investment.

Inner City could have just bought WOWO and turned it off entirely, and may even have planned to do just that, but an Indiana-based owner entered the picture. Federated Media owned WMEE and WQHK in Fort Wayne and was willing to buy WOWO even with a nighttime power downgrade.

So it really was a very clever deal in retrospect. Inner City spent relatively little by NYC market standards to turn its daytimer into a 24-hour signal at the last moment when that still mattered. I don't doubt they made significant extra revenue over the years from being able to sell ads early in the morning and later in the afternoon on WLIB, more than enough to pay off what they spent to do that upgrade.

WOWO's "downgrade" ended up not really mattering in the long run, because the AM signal over Fort Wayne was still good enough and then was eventually augmented by an FM signal - and in any event, WOWO (like every AM station in a market its size) stopped doing anything of specific local or regional interest after 6 PM within a few years anyway.

If anything, the kerfuffle helped WOWO for a while, since it put the station in Indiana ownership for the first time since the 1940s and generated a lot of headlines for a while.

WLIB was going to be a victim of changing times eventually, no matter what, but there was no way to know that yet in 1993-94, and going to full time operation bought Inner City some good years along the way.

There are a lot of deals from that era I wouldn't do if I could go back in time with complete hindsight. This one, I would have done even knowing everything we know now.
 
I never heard WOWO on AM because I'm in California, So KEX was booming at night

I grew up mostly in Tulsa and DFW. 1170 KVOO's towers were less than 10 miles from the house where I grew up (and the studio was a mile away), and, if I walked a block up a hill to my west, I could see the lights on the towers at night. KVOO even caused problems getting WOAI, and I never got anything other than KVOO between 1150 and 1190. Dallas, of course, had 1190 KLIF. When I went to college in Arkansas and Tennessee, I was able to get WOWO after sunset, but, even then, it wasn't the most reliable or easiest to tune signal.

Why did WOWO sell anyways backthen? I don't understand

As Scott mentions, Price Communications owned WOWO at the time. If I remember correctly, Price had recently gone through a bankruptcy, and the new equity holders who ended up with the company didn't really want it and thought it was a good time to sell. Duopoly had just been made legal, and the total number of AM and FM stations permitted for a single owner had recently gone up to either 20 or 21 per band from 14 each.
 
You remember that he was trying to lease out 98.7, right? That got him The TJ Show. When that ran out, he ended up with Exitosa.

So that means he can't lease out the FM. At least not for the rate he wants. Perhaps that's the same situation with the AM.

Jeff Smulyan knows the radio business. He's been doing this a long time. He knows the options. Let's give him a modicum of credit.
TJ 98.7 wasn't a lease. That was an Emmis operated format meant to serve as placeholder programming while they attempted to sell the property. From the launch of that product, which was run by consultant Mike McVay, it was determined to launch La Exitosa with Emmis building out a sales staff. The company is waiting for the FCC to determine what kind of ownership cap deregulation will be done to increase the pool of bidding groups able to acquire the license as it would allow Audacy or iHeart to add it.

Sean Ross recently did a deep-dive into how La Exitosa came to be...

 
TJ 98.7 wasn't a lease. That was an Emmis operated format meant to serve as placeholder programming while they attempted to sell the property.

I though operations were handled out of house. Emmis didn't "operate" the format. This from the United Stations release:

Radio.Cloud will power the project with its cutting-edge cloud based automation platform, allowing the network to customize local and national content.

Have there been any stockholder lawsuits against the way Smulyan is running the company? I haven't seen any. Nobody is challenging the way he's running his company except posters on this message board. If his stockholders are satisfied with the way he's running the company, that should be good enough.
 
I though operations were handled out of house. Emmis didn't "operate" the format. This from the United Stations release:
Radio.cloud is an automation system. They don't manage or program stations.

The way TJ 98.7 worked was this: McVay programmed the music, USRN provided the TJ Show content and did whatever ad sales there was, and Radio.Cloud's software product put it all together. The only employee of Emmis New York at that time was their former Director of Engineering from prior to the MediaCo sale as he remained as Station Manager and engineer for WEPN-FM/WLIB in addition to his now-former role at MediaCo.
 
So it really was a very clever deal in retrospect. Inner City spent relatively little by NYC market standards to turn its daytimer into a 24-hour signal at the last moment when that still mattered. I don't doubt they made significant extra revenue over the years from being able to sell ads early in the morning and later in the afternoon on WLIB, more than enough to pay off what they spent to do that upgrade.
Great point. In NYC, operating hours for a daytimer in December and January would be signing on as late as 7:15 am and signing off as early as 4:30 pm. They had a little bit of power for pre-sunrise and post-sunset authority, but it was only 100 watts (according to a February 1974 entry in the history cards).

Even in the 70s, 100 watts would fail to cover the majority of the huge area that comprises the NYC market.
 
Actually, it seems WLIB could have simply held onto their previous gospel format, unless it was losing money. I believe it had some brokered programming.
I know I'm just one of those rubes who has built or rebuilt a half dozen radio stations, but if I had the keys to WLIB, I would have kept the brokered gospel programming, wherever possible, and as my friend Gerald McBride would say, we'd be "blowin' the dust off these oldies" and playing Classic Soul on 1190 in NYC.

I couldn't care less what the radio geeks and negative Nancy's say...you wouldn't get away with being an "order taker" but with hard work, and pounding the pavement, something similar to the old WWRL 1600 could work on 1190. Doomsayers in 10, 9,8,7,6, 5... 😂
 


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