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Tim Conway Fudge...

sdwulfdawg

sdwulfdawg

On the debut of Tim Conway's revamped 6-10 pm show tonight, turns out that the fourth hour is a repeat of the 6-7 pm hour. Wonder how long KFI is going to pull off this deception.

Wouldn't it have been easier to keep Gary and Shannon from 9-1 pm and not pull off this amateurish stunt?
 
sdwulfdawg said:
On the debut of Tim Conway's revamped 6-10 pm show tonight, turns out that the fourth hour is a repeat of the 6-7 pm hour. Wonder how long KFI is going to pull off this deception.
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Is it a deception? Are they suggesting the 9-10 hour is live when it's not?

sdwulfdawg said:
Wouldn't it have been easier to keep Gary and Shannon from 9-1 pm and not pull off this amateurish stunt?
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Easier, maybe. But at minimum they've saved the production costs for an hour. At this stage in radio, budgetary concerns are always among the considerations.
 
Maybe Tim just wants to go home early. If it was me, and I was in a negotiating position, I would make it part of my agreement to move to nights.

Listenership for radio drops after 7. It keeps dropping. Why does everything have to be about corporate? Sometimes talent makes a decision.
 
He's advertised HARD that the show is four hours. A lot of disappointed listeners if this turns out to be true and not a first-night glitch.
 
Here's an idea....

At 9 pm, instead of repeating the first hour of the current Conway show, do a "Best of..." highlights from other hosts from that day. And bump George Noory to 12 - 5 am. 7 hours in a row of one show is absolute overkill.
 
I've known a lot of morning shows that repeat the elements from the 6am hour in the 9 am hour for the "late risers." The typical listener doesn't tune in for the entire time. I know that as a DJ we have a tendency to think every person in range hears everything we say, but logically that's not true.
I'm sure recycling the 6pm hour was well thought out. News-,Talk listening drops off the later it gets, and some there at 9 haven't tuned in by 6.
 
It's a trend, unfortunately. Red Eye Radio is now 3 hours, not 5, so the last two hours are a repeat of the first two. Weekend talk is almost all "best of..."
 
amos1001 said:
I've known a lot of morning shows that repeat the elements from the 6am hour in the 9 am hour for the "late risers." The typical listener doesn't tune in for the entire time. I know that as a DJ we have a tendency to think every person in range hears everything we say, but logically that's not true.
I'm sure recycling the 6pm hour was well thought out. News-,Talk listening drops off the later it gets, and some there at 9 haven't tuned in by 6.
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Don't be so sure. 🤔
 
wadio said:
It's a trend, unfortunately. Red Eye Radio is now 3 hours, not 5, so the last two hours are a repeat of the first two. Weekend talk is almost all "best of..."
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Keep in mind that doing live radio for 3 or 4 hours is a lot of work. It may not seem like it. A lot of these guys are moving to podcasts specifically so they don't have to be "on" for 4 hours. As you know, that's why Rich Zeoli left his daily show.
 
amos1001 said:
I've known a lot of morning shows that repeat the elements from the 6am hour in the 9 am hour for the "late risers." The typical listener doesn't tune in for the entire time. I know that as a DJ we have a tendency to think every person in range hears everything we say, but logically that's not true.
I'm sure recycling the 6pm hour was well thought out. News-,Talk listening drops off the later it gets, and some there at 9 haven't tuned in by 6.
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As far back as the 1960s, Dick Whittinghill at KMPC in Los Angeles didn't do a four-hour show as much as he did two two-hour shows. Different records, but the same bits---on the assumption that the audience there at 6:00 a.m. was gone by 8:00.

In most cases, that's true. The number of people who listen to a full four hours of a radio show is very small. This is very unlikely to hurt KFI.
 
michael hagerty said:
As far back as the 1960s, Dick Whittinghill at KMPC in Los Angeles didn't do a four-hour show as much as he did two two-hour shows. Different records, but the same bits---on the assumption that the audience there at 6:00 a.m. was gone by 8:00.

In most cases, that's true. The number of people who listen to a full four hours of a radio show is very small. This is very unlikely to hurt KFI.
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Maybe so, but for every listener that does stay for the entire show, you have insulted their intelligence, unless you go out of your way to note the show as a repeat, best of, or whatever. Not just any listeners mind you, your most loyal listeners that are willing to spend four uninterrupted hours with your station. A total unforced error.
 
amos1001 said:
Based solely on your username, you don't even believe that. (I said, sarcastically)
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Well, since you brought it up...

I mostly listen to Sirius XM, and there are well over a dozen channels that are in the regular Flipping rotation, plus other occasional tune-ins. One of my personal faves is 70s on 7 because they play a lot of songs I just can't hear on local radio that I grew up with. But they irritated me just this week with the whole "add a song for a week, but put it in different dayparts on different days and no one will be the wiser that we are using a very limited playlist" philosophy. They added "Shower the People" by James Taylor, a B-list title at best, and got cute with the dayparting thing. I can tell because I regularly tune in at various hours, and this week, in just over an hour of total combined listening at different times, they played that song THREE times in the course of less than two days.

That might be fine with a lot of other folks (I get it, they don't listen nearly as closely as I do), but it is completely unacceptable to me. An oldies station that covers muttiple formats and literally hundreds of artists with thousands of titles to choose from should go at least a week without repeating a song. My opinon, others' can and probably do vary. Save the "you don't know anything about programming a music station" posts, I have received them all before. We'll just assume those that would send them are undoubtedly correct, you pros you.
 
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ChannelFlipper said:
Maybe so, but for every listener that does stay for the entire show, you have insulted their intelligence, unless you go out of your way to note the show as a repeat, best of, or whatever.
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What is Tim saying about it? He's the face of this show, not Bob Pittman or some suit from iHeart.
 
ChannelFlipper said:
Well, since you brought it up...

I mostly listen to Sirius XM,
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I'm not sure others would agree with me on this, but IMO Sirius XM is NOTHING like radio. You might flip again and again but you are always on their service. So how they rotate their music isn't anything like how an oldies station would do it. Again, my opinion.
Nothing to do with Tim Conway, of course. I think your point is that he should provide a full 4 hours of content, not 3 with a repeating hour. I totally understand that, and I would feel "cheated" if i heard a replay. But i think KFI's point is that the lion's share of the audience doesn't tune in for the full 4 hours. Also, as others have said, I'm sure Mr Conway, Jr had close to 100% say in this. He might have decided he liked going out to dinner every night at 8. Plus, even Johnny Carson wasn't live every night. Based on that fact, would you prefer Tim Conway live 3 and repeat 1, or live 4 but only Monday-Thursday?
 
TheBigA said:
Keep in mind that doing live radio for 3 or 4 hours is a lot of work. It may not seem like it. A lot of these guys are moving to podcasts specifically so they don't have to be "on" for 4 hours. As you know, that's why Rich Zeoli left his daily show.
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Yes, and it's probably why linear radio is losing audience.

I've always felt that 2 hour shows are ideal. We need more of them to keep the audience engaged and not tuning out.
 
amos1001 said:
I'm not sure others would agree with me on this, but IMO Sirius XM is NOTHING like radio. You might flip again and again but you are always on their service. So how they rotate their music isn't anything like how an oldies station would do it. Again, my opinion.
Nothing to do with Tim Conway, of course. I think your point is that he should provide a full 4 hours of content, not 3 with a repeating hour. I totally understand that, and I would feel "cheated" if i heard a replay. But i think KFI's point is that the lion's share of the audience doesn't tune in for the full 4 hours. Also, as others have said, I'm sure Mr Conway, Jr had close to 100% say in this. He might have decided he liked going out to dinner every night at 8. Plus, even Johnny Carson wasn't live every night. Based on that fact, would you prefer Tim Conway live 3 and repeat 1, or live 4 but only Monday-Thursday?
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I didn't say repeating the KFI Conway 6:00 hour is a bad idea, I am just saying if you do so, just be honest with your audience and say so. The relationship will be much better between station and listener.
 
amos1001 said:
I don't disagree with that in theory, but I suppose they feel that most of the audience never realize it because they aren't listening for the full four hours anyway.
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There are two responses:

"I've heard this before."

and

"I haven't heard this before."

If you haven't heard it before, you're going to decide whether to keep listening based on whether what you're hearing is interesting, not whether you suspect it might have aired before.

I actually do understand ChannelFlipper's point about the listener who wants to hear the whole show and is used to that being four hours. But that is such a small part of the audience. Stations wet themselves if they can hold a listener for 20 minutes (the typical listening session is closer to 11 minutes).

The Conway show is now a three-hour show. Those who are aware of that can save themselves the indignity of having their intelligence insulted by tuning out at 9.

If Conway takes calls (it's been ages since I listened) KFI should, as a practical manner, have a disclaimer over re-joins from the 9 o'clock news and spot breaks within the hour that the hour is pre-recorded and not to call, but I don't know that they need to go beyond that. I mean, it probably wouldn't kill them for Tim to say goodbye and stay tuned for a repeat of our 6 o'clock hour as he goes into the 9 o'clock news, but...
 


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