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I was always told you didn't really need an education for broadcasting. You either could do it, or you couldn't.

I don't have a college degree. I'm a high school graduate. I felt really inadequate about that when I landed in a market like Phoenix, surrounded by J-school grads.

And then I learned Peter Jennings didn't have a degree either. Or a diploma. He dropped out of high school.
 
You might be interested in this Substack post, an interview with Jeremy Jojola, who just moved from a job with KUSA to a job at parent company Tegna, focusing entirely on reporting via social media and so-called "vertical videos": A 9NEWS journalist burned out on TV news. Now he's betting on a format he thinks could save it.

That's beyond cool. I hope that continues after the merger. Denver has so much talent in TV. Kyle Clark---Kirk Yuhnke (who I worked with in Phoenix).

In these discussions, I often detect a certain breezy "if I did it, you can do it, too" attitude. That ignores the role of luck, of resources you can fall back on, and of disposition and talents, and of the sheer cost of everything now. Forty-five years of Ronald Reagan-inspired winner-take-all greed in our economy has benefited a few people at the expense of everyone else, especially of younger generations. They have a heavier burden now.

Absolutely. Too much has changed. I could never replicate what I was lucky enough to do.
 
Without unnecessary quoting or repeating myself (because I've talked way too much about my early years in the business in my time here on RD), let me just say that @michael hagerty and I have had some interesting parallels in our respective careers, not the least of which was -- as he put it so well -- being born at the right time to do this.

And he knows full well what those parallels are. Cheers, Mike!
 
I was always told you didn't really need an education for broadcasting. You either could do it, or you couldn't.

Two of my best friends in the business -- Jhani Kaye and Chuck Southcott -- have espoused that philosophy for years. I am constantly quoting them to people who think someone without the basic instincts can be taught to do this.
 
Luck has been underemphasized in many of these discussions. Also important is attentiveness to opportunities when and if you get those lucky breaks.

At least twice in my career, the timing of good luck was entirely in play.

Once was in 1978, when I was downsized at a station in my home market at precisely the point in time when another station wanted to go AC; the owner heard of my firing and called me the next morning. By 2:00 that afternoon, I was in the PD chair for the first time.

The second time was when I was about to have my contract breached (mornings/PD at a Talk station) and the management wouldn't even discuss it. I resigned on the air at the end of my Friday show, and a guy I had worked for twice in my career heard me. He had flipped his station from Urban to Country and hadn't hired a morning jock yet. I was on the air there a mere 21 hours after walking out on the other station, and stayed until he sold the station several months later. (I even did the last shift before the ownership hand off.)

I like to think I've made that luck happen for others over the years. A sort of "pay it forward", if you will.
 
As someone in information technology, I quickly learned that "there's more than one way to do it" (the semi-official slogan of anyone who's ever programmed in the Perl language), especially when trying to fix an errant program at 3 am that I had never seen before. I still have my opinions, but I am far more open-minded now.
You should have been around in the days where Fortran or Basic (or, God help me, COBOL) were the coin of the realm.
 
Denver has so much talent in TV. Kyle Clark---Kirk Yuhnke (who I worked with in Phoenix).
This isn't the thread for it, so I'll just briefly say that I'm very worried about the outcome of any Nexstar-Tegna merger. 9News is the top operation in the city; Fox31, well, isn't.

I don't have a college degree. I'm a high school graduate. I felt really inadequate about that when I landed in a market like Phoenix, surrounded by J-school grads.
I will say that a good J-school program will also tell its grads that they're just starting to learn the ropes by the time they get their degree. The education continues in their first jobs, and beyond.

And then I learned Peter Jennings didn't have a degree either. Or a diploma. He dropped out of high school.
I want to make clear that I'm not a snob when it comes to educational achievement or credentials. For about the first half of my cybersecurity career, there were no such things as degrees in the field. Certifications came first, followed by trade-school-ish programs (University of Phoenix, Western Governors University), and then followed by more academic programs. For a long time, certs were good enough. As a result, we had people with a variety of backgrounds coming into the field...a very, very good thing because, particularly when you're trying to figure out vulnerabilities and attack surfaces, you need a lot of different perspectives. That seems to have narrowed in recent years. At the same time, certs and degrees no longer are enough to get someone a job. Believe it or not, demand for cybersecurity talent has fallen off a cliff. So it's no longer such a sure path to success. As a consequence of what I've seen over the span of my second career, I see the value both in a college degree and in life experiences.
 
You should have been around in the days where Fortran or Basic (or, God help me, COBOL) were the coin of the realm.
Now that I'm retired, I can admit that I have programmed in COBOL.

And I know what a "card-image record" is. Next-best thing to punched cards.
 
(following up on K.M.'s post)


Luck? Yeah. Damn near all of it:

KIBS in Bishop (my first job) happened because I was out in the street throwing a football around at age 14 with some friends when a neighbor's sister came to visit. That sister was Virginia Holmes, a substitute schoolteacher and host of a daily "women's program". She knew me from subbing in my classes since fifth grade, knew I could read well, and came out to ask me if I wanted a job at the radio station.

KSLY in San Luis Obispo happened because Sandy Horn from ABC Records walked into KIBS one night for a surprise visit (bringing KMET's Ace Young with him), took one look at KIBS, said "Jesus, what a toilet.", and helped himself to the production room, where, unbeknownst to me, he recorded my show, retrieved the reel before he left and sent it to KSLY, which hired me. I was still 17.

KIOQ happened because a guy I had worked with at KIBS had the construction permit for a new FM in Bishop and asked me if I wanted to come home and literally build a station.

KUKI in Ukiah happened because they guy they really wanted to hire (who I had worked with at KIBS) wasn't available, saw my name in Claude Hall's column in Billboard and recommended they hire me (which is how I met my wife, who I married 36 years later). I was 19.

I applied for KOLO in Reno cold from an ad in R&R. Didn't know a soul there. They liked tape number one, asked for a second and I was in.

TV? KTVN in Reno was because a guy who I had worked with at KOLO was there and told the boss he should hire me. I got a phone call from my friend telling me I had an interview with the news director that afternoon and that I should wear a tie.

KTNV in Las Vegas happened because I was brutally honest with the new general manager at KTVN in front of the entire staff on his first day and our consultant (who the new GM had fired that morning) thought I might need a gig and had a plane ticket, hotel room and interview the next day booked 15 minutes after the incident (word travelled fast). Incredibly, the new GM tried to keep me, but I liked the Vegas deal.

KTVK in Phoenix was a total accident. I was trying to get some friends who were photogs at KTNV hired in a bigger market and I had a friend at KTSP. I used stories they'd shot for me, the executive producer walked by, watched over his shoulder, took the tape to the big bosses and they flew me in and offered me the job. I couldn't get out of my contract to take it, but in the six months remaining, they crossed the street to KTVK and sweetened the offer just as I became free.

Back to radio---mornings in Phoenix at KGLQ was sheer luck. They wanted Charlie Van Dyke, Charlie and I had been batting about an idea for a morning show for a couple of years (never thinking we'd be the ones to do it) and he told them it was a package deal.

KTAR was the same basic thing. I left KTVK to care for my terminally ill mother-in-law and start my own production business for the car reviews, a guy named Charles Goyette left KTAR for KFYI on no notice, KTAR called me and asked if Charlie and I would fill in that weekend. We did, they offered us weekends and fill-ins and Charlie didn't want to do it. I figured that was that, because of course they really wanted Charlie, but they offered it to me solo. I was there for four years.

KAZT-TV was the late Ron Bergamo, who liked my automotive stuff pitching me on a weekly half-hour. Voice talent for the station got thrown in, and within a year or so, I was Director of Programming and Promotion.

KNXV-TV (ABC15) was a call from the ND out of the blue asking if I'd like to build on my automotive credentials doing traffic reports on the morning news and transportation and transit-related stories for the evening shows.

Back to radio (again and finally)---iHeart (then Clear Channel) was me needing a gig after ABC15 figured out how to split my salary between three kids straight out of school. My friend Mark Jeffries didn't have anything until two days later. That's when a young woman was recording a traffic report for Salt Lake City. She blew the take, yelled the 12-letter word for unnatural relations with one's mother, did the take over again and fed the report to Salt Lake.

Without editing out the blown take and obscenity.

That's not a word you hear a lot on the radio----especially in Salt Lake City. And suddenly, Mark had something for me.

I guess you could argue that I earned the seven promotions in the next five years at iHeart (traffic to the wire service national desk, to the iHeart app newscasts, to morning producer at KFBK, to executive producer, to managing editor, to news director, to afternoon co-anchor), but it was luck that got me in the door.

And on the day they laid me off, they also laid off a production guy whose stepson was Managing Editor of News at Capital Public Radio. He had an opening for Senior Editor. I applied, they were going through the process and then COVID hit and all hiring was frozen. About four months go by, and the host of Insight at the time, Beth Ruyak, leaves. They move Randol White, the afternoon news anchor to Insight on an interim basis and I get a call from Nick saying "Hey, Mike---it's not what you applied for, but would you be interested in anchoring the afternoon news here?"

That was two weeks before my iHeart severance would have run out.

So---really---it was ALL luck. The only cold pitch I made was KOLO in Reno in 1977.
 
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Now that I'm retired, I can admit that I have programmed in COBOL.

And I know what a "card-image record" is. Next-best thing to punched cards.
Ooh thank you, I definitely should have mentioned those. My earliest programming was done with actual, paper punch cards. Walking around with my deck, submitting it to the computer center window and waiting for turnaround. Picking up the card deck and the printout and going into a corner to debug. Wash, rinse and repeat. Very few remember the cost or environmental impact of all those "use once and then discard" cards, or the "bit buckets" full of the chads.

Most of the programming phase of my career was with languages like Fortran, Basic (actually "Basic-Plus", a more full-featured version than what non-technical students were assigned to use in their intro to programming), or Pascal or PL/I. I managed to evade COBOL until I was thrown into a consulting gig modernizing a Pharmacy Prescription Management System for the old Long's Drugs chain (now part of CVS). Talk about gigs you absolutely hate and can't wait to be done with.

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But first....
I have programmed in IBM assembler. I still have my "yellow card" with the instruction set. But I never wrote my own access method (the mainframe equivalent of a file system).

I hadn't programmed in years, but motivated by the need to organize my collection of airchecks, I've taken up scripting (at least) again, to build a catalog of that collection. I may move that from Perl to Go at some point, but one step at a time. The results of that effort will eventually reside in a spreadsheet or maybe even a database. It's also helping me find places where I made mistakes in the metadata. I've done quite a bit of airchecking the past few years because I think radio is about to undergo dramatic changes in programming, particularly as some stations die off, and I'd like to have a record of some of it.

It's too late for 560; I should have recorded some of it in the Melanie Morgan-Lee Rodgers days. But I didn't aircheck all that much in those days, and I didn't have the convenient, high-quality equipment for it that I have now.
 
Anyone here ever program a KIM-1?
Never. My first experience, other than one "take your cards at exactly 8:10 tomorrow" college class in 1973, was with an Altair in 1975 with Bill Gates' basic on a paper tape. I was, several years later, gifted with an abandoned IBM System 33 and learned RPG II.
 
It's too late for 560; I should have recorded some of it in the Melanie Morgan-Lee Rodgers days. But I didn't aircheck all that much in those days, and I didn't have the convenient, high-quality equipment for it that I have now.
Floating around online there’s an aircheck of Dr. Don Rose as a guest with Melanie Morgan and Lee Rodgers. It was kind of jarring to hear Dr. Don talk politics with them.
 
...I was, several years later, gifted with an abandoned IBM System 33 and learned RPG II.
A computer which was obsolete on the day it was released. By the time you got hold of it, learning RPG* might have been all it was good for, except that by then, RPG itself was horribly obsolete.

(*For those who were born too late, RPG stood for Report Program Generator, which was about all a computer programmer could do with it, massage some data and generate a report. RPG II was a little better, but it wasn't COBOL.)
 
A computer which was obsolete on the day it was released. By the time you got hold of it, learning RPG* might have been all it was good for, except that by then, RPG itself was horribly obsolete.

(*For those who were born too late, RPG stood for Report Program Generator, which was about all a computer programmer could do with it, massage some data and generate a report. RPG II was a little better, but it wasn't COBOL.)
We had, on the System 33 that I was given, Columbine Systems traffic and accounting software. It could create logs, do bookkeeping, do billing and receivables and all the related stuff.

I installed it at WQII and WSRA in San Juan in 1975. We had considered a terminal for the parent company's mainframe across town, but there was no software for radio that would run on the big IBM system. And at the time, Columbine was the best provider of the traffic and accounting processes.

The good thing is that the System 33 could "talk to" via 7" floppies the mainframe unit at HQ for accounting consolidation for quarterly and annual reports (we were a public corporation),

The stations used that system well into the 80's.

The reason we went to such a system was that no other station in the market was computerized. We could do invoices with exact times and affidavit them, and that alone gave us enormous sales credibility.
 
We are already seeing OTA stations getting sizable streaming audiences. There will be a market for streamed ad-supported audio services. Yes, one will need a subscription but in many areas of the nation basic cellular service is available through grants or low cost subscriptions.

(Satellite radio is not a viable alternative today. The signals don't penetrate buildings very well, and even in areas with high trees it is difficult. And forget portable devices, unless you also have the satellite service's streaming option.)
SiriusXM sounds much better over the internet. Music sound quality is very good.
 
One more question because it just popped up between me and a friend as we are discussing the subject of 560. Is it possible that Cumulus could diplex the 560 signal from the KGO 810 transmitter site? Please don't shoot me. Its just an interesting question that nobody in 61 pages has even brought up. Thanks....
 
Post #1,168....So this is where the news broke. I lost track of this since I last looked at this thread last night. It really jumped a lot of posts since then.
 


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