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[semoochie]

Perhaps, when it's all over with, someone will bring back this thread as nostalgia: "Remember when we had a thread about shutting down a radio station on 560?"

 

[lanceventa]

If the license remains active then I agree that there are probably negotiations going on.

But what I meant by my statement -- and go back and read it so you will see I am being consistent here -- if Cumulus surrenders the license, that is the end of it. No resurrection, no negotiations, no new application for the frequency.

And at that point, the thread should die.

But until then ...

That is not for YOU to determine... Period.

 

[SomeRadioGuy]

Did you mean to type 'transfer' instead of 'infer'?

nope.. from what i gather.. infer... from what was said

 

[K.M. Richards]

That is not for YOU to determine... Period.

Wait ... now it's not okay for someone to ask the administrator to consider closing a thread once it has outlived its usefulness?

 

[Mark Roberts]

Wait ... now it's not okay for someone to ask the administrator to consider closing a thread once it has outlived its usefulness?

I don’t think it’s wise for any of us to pretend to be the arbiter of when a thread is or is not useful.

You could even argue that this entire board isn’t useful, or that its primary use is for entertainment.

If “usefulness” were the criterion for an appropriate post in RadioDiscussions, there would be many fewer posts. It would be a duller place.

Personal irritation or lack of interest is, by definition, personal and not a manageable criterion for determining what should or should not be posted.

I couldn’t care less about the “1110” thread, for example. I’ve looked at it a time or two and decided, nah, it’s not worth my time. That doesn’t mean it shouldn’t go on.

Back to 560 in San Francisco: sure, those who know ain’t talkin’, so it’s those who don’t know (including me) who are doing all the talking. Cumulus likely doesn’t care less about what people on a message board are saying about the KZAC situation. Cumulus answers to its investors/lenders and its regulators, not to a message board. So the reality is that we won’t know KZAC’s fate until the next required deadline. None of this involves “usefulness”.

 

[lanceventa]

Wait ... now it's not okay for someone to ask the administrator to consider closing a thread once it has outlived its usefulness?

Calling out posts that are offensive or against site rules are what the report function is for. As I have said privately multiple times, it is not for you to decide when a thread outlives its usefulness. That is "playing moderator" and abusing posting privileges. No one poster is above another.

 

[michael hagerty]

No offense to K.M., but I have never asked for a thread to be closed.
























Caused a thread to be closed? Several times.

 

[K.M. Richards]

Calling out posts that are offensive or against site rules are what the report function is for. As I have said privately multiple times, it is not for you to decide when a thread outlives its usefulness. That is "playing moderator" and abusing posting privileges. No one poster is above another.

I believe we have gotten to the point where Lance suspects me of "playing moderator" if I say "boo".

See you all somewhere else. I'm out.

 

[Michael Rivers Kramer]

I learned a few hours ago that dismantling work has begun at the 560 transmitter site at Islais Creek and is expected to be complete in two weeks.

Items from the site, including the top beacon of the tower, are now in the care of the California Historical Radio Society in Alameda.

If there is a transfer rather than a surrender of the license, a new owner will have to arrange for a new transmitter location.

Is there a plot big enough in Colma for KZAC towers? 😁🤣

 

[Mark Roberts]

Is there a plot big enough in Colma for KZAC towers? 😁🤣

That would make for an interesting land acknowledgement.

More seriously, given the cost of land in the Bay Area, CEQA requirements, etc., the only halfway-reasonable option to revive 560 would be to diplex on an existing tower. Then it’s not going to have the coverage that it had before.

Between that, and likely concern over setting a comp that instantly devalues any other AM station (I wrote about this in a post way back somewhere in this thread), there are substantial obstacles for any attempt to bring 560 back. There would be no point in running a longwire at low power, either, since there’s no FM translator for the station to be fed by such an arrangement.

 

[Weiserguy]

That would make for an interesting land acknowledgement.

More seriously, given the cost of land in the Bay Area, CEQA requirements, etc., the only halfway-reasonable option to revive 560 would be to diplex on an existing tower. Then it’s not going to have the coverage that it had before.

Between that, and likely concern over setting a comp that instantly devalues any other AM station (I wrote about this in a post way back somewhere in this thread), there are substantial obstacles for any attempt to bring 560 back. There would be no point in running a longwire at low power, either, since there’s no FM translator for the station to be fed by such an arrangement.

Notwithstanding what Mark wrote about devaluing other AM facilities – especially other Cumulus-owned AM's – methinks the only logical buyer might be Relevant Radio, the Catholic broadcaster who currently airs on 1260, the former KYA, from Candlestick Hill. If they could scrape together the financing, they could take 560, diplex it from 1260 at enough reduced power to compensate for going ND, then take 1260 silent. The facility is already there on the hill, even if it lacks that sea water site. And 560 would, even at reduced power (if necessary), put out a better signal to a wider footprint than 1260 ever could, especially at night.

 

[Michael Rivers Kramer]

Notwithstanding what Mark wrote about devaluing other AM facilities – especially other Cumulus-owned AM's – methinks the only logical buyer might be Relevant Radio, the Catholic broadcaster who currently airs on 1260, the former KYA, from Candlestick Hill. If they could scrape together the financing, they could take 560, diplex it from 1260 at enough reduced power to compensate for going ND, then take 1260 silent. The facility is already there on the hill, even if it lacks that sea water site. And 560 would, even at reduced power (if necessary), put out a better signal to a wider footprint than 1260 ever could, especially at night.

They would need to simulcast for a while and then run a loop on 1260 for a year to get their listeners to pay attention enough to move. Otherwise they’ll lose half their audience like KSFO did.

 

[TomásEstefan]

Notwithstanding what Mark wrote about devaluing other AM facilities – especially other Cumulus-owned AM's – methinks the only logical buyer might be Relevant Radio, the Catholic broadcaster who currently airs on 1260, the former KYA, from Candlestick Hill. If they could scrape together the financing, they could take 560, diplex it from 1260 at enough reduced power to compensate for going ND, then take 1260 silent. The facility is already there on the hill, even if it lacks that sea water site. And 560 would, even at reduced power (if necessary), put out a better signal to a wider footprint than 1260 ever could, especially at night.

BTW 560 was ND Day, D Night with most of that night signal going to the south west.

 

[Mark Roberts]

Notwithstanding what Mark wrote about devaluing other AM facilities – especially other Cumulus-owned AM's – methinks the only logical buyer might be Relevant Radio, the Catholic broadcaster who currently airs on 1260, the former KYA, from Candlestick Hill. If they could scrape together the financing, they could take 560, diplex it from 1260 at enough reduced power to compensate for going ND, then take 1260 silent. The facility is already there on the hill, even if it lacks that sea water site. And 560 would, even at reduced power (if necessary), put out a better signal to a wider footprint than 1260 ever could, especially at night.

Keep in mind that Relevant already has an FM translator on Russian Hill: K269FB. Three years ago, before I moved from the Bay Area, I could observe that the translator sort of made it into Oakland, and was noticeable for its gross overmodulation. Considering the existence of the translator, Relevant would have to ask themselves what they would gain with such an AM frequency change.

They would need to simulcast for a while and then run a loop on 1260 for a year to get their listeners to pay attention enough to move. Otherwise they’ll lose half their audience like KSFO did.

You mean going down from fourteen to seven listeners?

BTW 560 was ND Day, D Night with most of that night signal going to the south west.

More precisely, west-southwest, with a bump to the north-northeast reaching into Nevada.

KSFO was 1 kw-ND at night until 1979 or 1980.

 

[fybush]

Most precisely, I think the best way to describe the 560 night DA pattern is "nulls toward KBLU Yuma and KPQ Wenatchee." Everything else about the pattern is a product of those nulls and the way the lobes between them interact with the ground conductivity of the Bay Area hills and the saltwater.

 

[Mark Roberts]

Most precisely, I think the best way to describe the 560 night DA pattern is "nulls toward KBLU Yuma and KPQ Wenatchee." Everything else about the pattern is a product of those nulls and the way the lobes between them interact with the ground conductivity of the Bay Area hills and the saltwater.

Interesting enough, when the SDR at Point Reyes was working, it seemed that the dominant signal on 560 at that location was KMON from Great Falls, Montana. There was a little KPQ in there, too.

I'm not in Oakland any more, so I can't tell you what the 560 channel is like at night closer in to the core of the Bay Area.

 

[PTBoardOp93]

The Point Reyes SDR appears to be operational tonight, and 560 I heard a definitive ID for "KLZ, a Crawford Broadcasting Station", which is in Denver.

I also heard a discussion of credit card debt, which I assume came from KPQ, which airs the Ramsey Show at this hour.

 

[Mark Roberts]

The Point Reyes SDR appears to be operational tonight, and 560 I heard a definitive ID for "KLZ, a Crawford Broadcasting Station", which is in Denver.

Very interesting. (KLZ is a local for me.) I wonder if KLZ's HD sidebands suppressed anything on 550 or 570.

 

[Cityguy76]

Interesting enough, when the SDR at Point Reyes was working, it seemed that the dominant signal on 560 at that location was KMON from Great Falls, Montana. There was a little KPQ in there, too.

I'm not in Oakland any more, so I can't tell you what the 560 channel is like at night closer in to the core of the Bay Area.

Same here at night while working at the usps postal facility on Evans Ave in SF I hear more of the KMON 560 signal from Montana. Maybe because I am near the 560 tower site too...

 

[SomeRadioGuy]

Very interesting. (KLZ is a local for me.) I wonder if KLZ's HD sidebands suppressed anything on 550 or 570.

They do up here in Laramie.... ive got noise on adjacent channels because of the hiss.

got their HD to lock up here once 6 years ago... analog sounded better