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Breaking News: IHeart absolute Bloodbath across US Today

If the 7 7 regulation was still in effect do you think these issues wouldn't have happened?
A much slower bleed.

And the economics would have forced, by definition, more local programming.

Radio might be a much smaller industry today but I think it would be profitable.

There are many examples of radio success if you:

1.) Operate debt free

2.) go hyper local and work tirelessly to be a fixture in the community. AND offer major market quality. It’s not easy. Example:

WATD is exactly that—a debt free, highly successful, profitable station with major market talent. And you can supplement with podcasting.

Unlike IHeart it doesn’t fork over 95%- of its cash flow to debt holders. It retains the cash or reinvests it in the product. That’s the difference between it and the zillion stations owned by debt ridden mega groups.

Podcasts is a small but very rapidly growing segment that literally anyone can run …on a literal shoe string with no limit to an audience reach: local, regional, national, international. It’s all reached on a shoe string. Just need Content, that’s it. And AVOID DEBT.
 
So you are ignoring a 70% to 75% decline in inflation adjusted radio revenues in the last 20 years?

As I said in my prior post, there was a “perfect storm“ in the 2008 to 2010 period consisting of the introduction of the PPM, the introduction of the smart phone and the huge recession of those years. The debt was sustainable up till then, but the combination of three insurmountable occurrences destroyed the possibility for any broadcaster who had made large acquisitions in the later 90s to sustain profitability

Those divisions are up, but nowhere near nearly enough to make up for the industry loss of 75% of Its revenue in the last 20 years

So iHeart created the recession, instigated the PPM, and invented the smart phone. I did not know that. Thank you for clarifying it.


The managers no matter at what level are simply trying to deal with an economic situation nobody could predict in the 1995 to 2000 period. The debt holders simply lend money to people they think will pay it back and give them interest and exchange for the loan. The lenders have no fault here, just as they didn’t in 1995. The numbers predicted that consolidation would produce a great improve improvement in radios, revenues, and profits.
I don’t disagree that consolidation looked attractive in the late 1990s. The assumptions were that larger groups would gain efficiencies, improve revenues, and increase profits. Nobody predicted smartphones, streaming, PPM, or the Great Recession.


But that only explains the ORIGINAL decision. It doesn’t explain why, twenty-five years later, the industry is STILL operating under capital structures that consume virtually all of the cash being generated. Why??


iHeart produces roughly $686 million in cash flow before interest expense and ends up with about $11 million after paying creditors. Audacy has faced similar challenges. At some point, the debt stops being a historical footnote and becomes the principal business problem!! These companies increasingly exist prinivipally to service lenders rather than invest in local programming, talent, or innovation. It’s not 1994 ..we KNOW what’s happened post 1995!


The economic realities of radio have been understood at least since the early 2000s. If the assumptions behind consolidation proved wrong, the rational response would have been to restructure, deleverage, and build businesses that fit the new marketplace—not continue trying to support balance sheets designed for a world that no longer exists.


That’s why I point to stations like WATD in Marshfield. They don’t carry debt interest burdens. They don’t answer to any bondholders demanding every available dollar of cash flow. Instead, they compete through community involvement, local relationships, and strong on-air talent. They can make decisions based on what serves listeners and advertisers rather than what serves creditors.

It’s really really hard. It’s almost like the radio version of dirty jobs. But it works!


If debt isn’t a major factor, why do independent operators with a fraction of the resources often punch so far above their weight while heavily leveraged mega-groups continue to struggle? To me, that’s not a coincidence. It’s evidence that the industry’s greatest challenge isn’t simply technology or changing consumer habits—it’s the enormous debt loads that prevent companies from adapting to those changes in the first place.
 
That may be the single craziest thing I ever read.

Let me inform you what’s going on.

IHeart lives for the sole purpose of servicing its debt. Period.

IHeart Debt totals $5.04 BILLION.

Thats 50% more than its annual REVENUES.

IHeart’s cash flow BARELY services the interest on its debt. Debt service is every penny they make.

It literally exists to service debt. Dollar for dollar And it can only do that NOW by extinguishing entire markets ….every employee in the building.

IHeart represents everything wrong with free enterprise.

If only the bank and investor debt extensions and approvals as well as government approvals of what is going on in the world of mega-conglomerate media ownership would just stop handing out "get out of jail free" cards like water at tables in the Boston Marathon. Let the iHearts of the world go under, let the dust settle and let a shake up occur, where radio may be bigger shell of what it is now. Start with a clean slate and let much smaller ownership be the norm.

If the number of radio and TV stations are drastically reduced for a time,..we still have the internet in the meanwhile. Someone out there must have an idea that could work who is waiting for the proverbial fat lady to finish the coda in the opera before they step forward and show a better way to take radio and TV into the future while using the internet for good and not evil.
 
It doesn’t explain why, twenty-five years later, the industry is STILL operating under capital structures that consume virtually all of the cash being generated. Why??

You're assuming that if the $686 million was profit, that they'd spend it hiring people for obsolete positions, rather than use the money to invest in growing businesses where they will have a future. You're obsessed with the debt, but that's not the real problem Solving the debt situation doesn't change the fact that people aren't buying radios, and are instead getting their music from centralized digital delivery services that have no hosts whatsoever. That's why I say the positions being eliminated are extraneous positions.

How many anchors at WBZ are being eliminated? How many local talk show hosts at WRKO are being eliminated? Look at this in a broader way. The entire DJ staff in Lexington KY was eliminated. The one live & local person who is left is the local traffic reporter. Broadcast radio has to find a new purpose. The one you and others grew up with is gone. It was killed by the internet. People don't need live & local DJs to spin music made by conglomerates based in France, Germany, and Japan. That's crazy. That's what this process is about.

Let's be clear: The money coming from this won't be applied to the debt. How do I know? Because they've already announced that they've kicked the can down the road so the money they owe next year isn't due until 2031. The debt has nothing to do with the fact that the broadcasting division lost over $100 million last year. That happened while all of these people were still employed. So even though they were still hosting their local music shows, advertisers were spending less on those shows. That happened BEFORE the layoffs. So this money won't go to pay down debt. It will go to pay for the people who remain. And it will be invested in the parts of the business that are growing. So no, if they still had $686 million to spend, it wouldn't go to hiring more live and local hosts, because that's simply throwing money down the drain.
 
If only the bank and investor debt extensions and approvals as well as government approvals of what is going on in the world of mega-conglomerate media ownership would just stop handing out "get out of jail free" cards like water at tables in the Boston Marathon. Let the iHearts of the world go under, let the dust settle and let a shake up occur, where radio may be bigger shell of what it is now. Start with a clean slate and let much smaller ownership be the norm.

If the number of radio and TV stations are drastically reduced for a time,..we still have the internet in the meanwhile. Someone out there must have an idea that could work who is waiting for the proverbial fat lady to finish the coda in the opera before they step forward and show a better way to take radio and TV into the future while using the internet for good and not evil.
Beautifully stated.

Let’s allow the free market to set the landscape which it does marvelously when not interfered with.

Let’s not cling to the hope of 1995. Just making 1996 more efficient won’t work— It didn’t work. And even if it does going forward —the weight of massive debt loads pretty much wipes out the benefit of headcount slashing. We’ve seen this movie play out. We know the ending.

So..go small, go local, go podcasting. Think internet over big towers.

#ItsNot1995
 
Let’s allow the free market to set the landscape which it does marvelously when not interfered with.

It already did. These companies went bankrupt. Some of them twice. What difference did that make? All the stockholders lost everything. At Audacy, a family business that was started over 50 years ago was handed over to lenders and the father who founded the company and his son lost their entire investment. That's the free market at work. You don't see any of this because the radio stations are still playing free music and Bob Pittman still has his job. What you wanted was for all these stations to be liquidated and sold off to local owners.

Some of that happened. Remember WAAF? What happened there? Sold to K-Love. If iHeart was forced to liquidate, it wouldn't raise enough money to pay off the $5 billion debt. That's why they're not doing it. But if they sold all of their radio stations WHO WOULD BUY THEM? Once again, look at WMEX. Where are the local owners who want to hire live & local talent to play music? All that would happen is the entire broadcast spectrum would be handed over to religious broadcasters. They're the only ones with money. Be careful what you wish for.
 
It already did. These companies went bankrupt. Some of them twice. What difference did that make? All the stockholders lost everything. At Audacy, a family business that was started over 50 years ago was handed over to lenders and the father who founded the company and his son lost their entire investment. That's the free market at work. You don't see any of this because the radio stations are still playing free music and Bob Pittman still has his job. What you wanted was for all these stations to be liquidated and sold off to local owners.

Some of that happened. Remember WAAF? What happened there? Sold to K-Love. If iHeart was forced to liquidate, it wouldn't raise enough money to pay off the $5 billion debt. That's why they're not doing it. But if they sold all of their radio stations WHO WOULD BUY THEM? Once again, look at WMEX. Where are the local owners who want to hire live & local talent to play music? All that would happen is the entire broadcast spectrum would be handed over to religious broadcasters. They're the only ones with money. Be careful what you wish for.

Good point, yes…

Economies of scale are valuable only if they create a better product or a stronger competitive advantage. In radio, the pursuit of scale as we have seen often produced more standardized, redundant programming at precisely the moment consumers gained access to unlimited audio alternatives. If Spotify, Pandora, SiriusXM, and podcasts already provide endless non-local content, what problem is another voice-tracked station group solving?

The question isn’t whether scale creates efficiencies. It clearly does. The question is: efficiencies toward what end? If the result is seven markets sharing the same tracked bits and personalities, consumers already have dozens of better alternatives for generic audio entertainment. Radio’s unique advantage was never scale—it was local connection.

The past 25 years has taught us a lesson. This “scale” game keeps hammering away at 1996. Scale to achieve what?
 
If Spotify, Pandora, SiriusXM, and podcasts already provide endless non-local content, what problem is another voice-tracked station group solving?

Ask the people who still listen. Apparently millions still do. They come here and complain about the small playlists and annoying talk show hosts. Why do they do that? Don't they know there are lots of alternatives?

You talk about scale. Look at K-Love. How do they do it? Scale. No live & local staff. The same programming coast to coast. Scale works for them. The #1 station in Boston is WBUR. Yes they have some local staff, but the majority of their day comes from NPR and other centralized sources. Scale works for them. Scale works for McDonalds, WalMart, and Home Depot. It will work for iHeart too, because a lot of people would love to get music without having to subscribe. A lot of people would love to listen to their local sports team without having to subscribe. There's a business for it. But there's no future in hiring live & local DJs to play imaginary discs that no longer exist.

I've read a lot of the comments from the former iHeart employees. They know how great their lives had been. They got paid to sit in an air conditioned studio and play music all day. For that, they got a regular salary plus benefits. Some even got free tickets to concerts and events. Where can we go to get a job like that? Turns out not many places. Spotify doesn't have DJs. They also don't have a lot of debt. People PAY them. What a concept. Maybe they know something.
 
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Ask the people who still listen. Apparently millions still do. They come here and complain about the small playlists and annoying talk show hosts. Why do they do that? Don't they know there are lots of alternatives?

You talk about scale. Look at K-Love. How do they do it? Scale. No live & local staff. The same programming coast to coast. Scale works for them. The #1 station in Boston is WBUR. Yes they have some local staff, but the majority of their day comes from NPR and other centralized sources. Scale works for them. Scale works for McDonalds, WalMart, and Home Depot. It will work for iHeart too, because a lot of people would love to get music without having to subscribe. A lot of people would love to listen to their local sports team without having to subscribe. There's a business for it. But there's no future in hiring live & local DJs to play imaginary discs that no longer exist.

I've read a lot of the comments from the former iHeart employees. They know how great their lives had been. They got paid to sit in an air conditioned studio and play music all day. For that, they got a regular salary plus benefits. Some even got free tickets to concerts and events. Where can we go to get a job like that? Turns out not many places. Spotify doesn't have DJs. They also don't have any debt. People PAY them. What a concept. Maybe they know something.
You’re right. I need to appreciate greatness.

Salute to IHeart! That was indeed heartwarming

I especially salute the greatest self promoter of all time , THE former 24-year old boy wonder, now hatchet man in chief Bob Pittman, who started out as a kid firing Dom Imus and Cousin Brucie and then moved on to leverage his skills as an adult—firing people literally by the thousands. All the while navigating bankruptcies on his watch and always somehow maintaining if not cultivating his radio genius reputation in spite of failure after multi million dollar failure. Honestly THAT is skill! I’m kinda jealous…

But you’re right many of the folks Pittman canned, while employed, did enjoy the comfort of nice air conditioned rooms, free music listening, and occasional comp tickets. Those were good, appreciative employees. It speaks volumes about them that they’d choose to remember the good.
 
THE former 24-year old boy wonder, now hatchet man in chief Bob Pittman,

Compare him to David Field, who chose a different course. David's father, Joseph, started Entercom in 1968. When David took over, he stuck to the principles his father taught him. Hire local staff and emphasize local sales. That's how he grew his company. All local. He did it in Boston too. He could have gone the syndicated route, but that's not what he did. Other radio companies struggled, but he survived. He bought WBEB from Jerry Lee. He bought the Lincoln Financial group of stations. Never had a problem with debt.

Then came CBS Radio. At the time, CBS Radio was loosing money. That's why they wanted to sell it. Along the way, they sold off stations to smaller groups. A lot of them went bankrupt. They sold their Buffalo stations to Regent. Not long after that, Regent went bankrupt. They sold stations in Charlotte and Tampa to Beasley. We know they're teetering on the edge right now. But CBS wanted to sell the whole group. Nobody wanted to buy. They talked to all of the successful owners like Bonneville and Hubbard. They all said no. Field thought he could make it work. So he did the Reverse Morris Trust thing that ABC did with Citadel (that ended up killing Citadel), and got CBS Radio. Things went just fine until covid hit. He only had $2 billion in debt. That was 10% of what iHeart had at the time. The debt plus the covid collapse created an insurmountable problem that couldn't be fixed. He & his father tried to buy down the debt with their own money. It all went down the drain. We all know what happened next.

Howie Carr hates Entercom and the Fields. Ask him who he prefers: Field or Pittman. :)


We can demonize the people. We all know their names. Pittman, Field, Dickey, Berner. We can point the finger at them and say they're the ones who killed radio. But the fact is if we rewind the tape, and go back to when things started to change, we get a very different picture. Someone asked earlier would radio be in the place it's at now if the FCC still had the 7-7-7 ownership limits. My answer is how would forcing radio to operate under obsolete rules stop people from buying personal computers and cell phones or using the internet?? It wouldn't. That problem would still be here today whether or not the radio companies had debt. Instead of a few big companies going bankrupt, you'd have thousands of smaller companies going bankrupt. The problem is still the problem. Once people had a choice of where to get their music, they started to leave radio. The exodus began in the late 80s and early 90s. That's what the problem is. If you can find a way to get people to throw away their phones and computers, and stop using the internet, perhaps they'd go back to listening to radio. But that assumes the music is as good as it was back in the 70s and 80s. That's the other variable in this discussion. People WANTED to listen to the music, and radio was the window to the music. Today, music is disposable, and there are unlimited ways to hear it. That doesn't make the music any better.
 
It speaks volumes about them that they’d choose to remember the good.

The only bad thing was the way it ends. It's not the fall that kills you. It's the sudden stop.

When people ask what's good about corporate radio, the answer is the paychecks don't bounce. Even during bankruptcy, the employees still got paid. Until they got canned. Then they got severance. The companies all took out additional loans so they got paid. That just added to the debt they still have to pay off.
 


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