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And yes, the music does sound random to me like they hit this big shuffle button with maybe some power rotations added. My listening is limited to 70s and 80s. During the holidays, their Christmas formats are pretty good IMO.

That's how radio formats are constructed. The programmer inserts the songs into the program, assigns values to the songs as to how often they get played, and you end up with a format. It's not like things are done haphazardly. It's all planned and follows a format. It's not some guy sitting there and thinking, it's raining outside, so let's play some songs about rain. That doesn't happen. It's not exactly like shuffle, because the songs have values assigned to them. So it's likely the mix will change every cycle.

Because you listen to classic formats, there are no currents or recurrents. The PDs of currents channels add new songs every week, and make adjustments accordingly. The PDs get input from record labels, who're promoting certain songs. But an 80s format is what it is. They look at past history, how the songs test, the ones that get the strongest reactions, and those are the songs they play.

Like Sirius, Music Choice offers plans for businesses. It's a subscription plan where they pay all the music royalties required:


Music Choice is also available as an app, outside of cable TV. They know that cable subscriptions are down, so they're seeking to attract listeners who are looking for a curated music service.
 
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That's how radio formats are constructed. The programmer inserts the songs into the program, assigns values to the songs as to how often they get played, and you end up with a format. It's not like things are done haphazardly. It's all planned and follows a format. It's not some guy sitting there and thinking, it's raining outside, so let's play some songs about rain. That doesn't happen. It's not exactly like shuffle, because the songs have values assigned to them. So it's likely the mix will change every cycle.

Because you listen to classic formats, there are no currents or recurrents. The PDs of currents channels add new songs every week, and make adjustments accordingly. The PDs get input from record labels, who're promoting certain songs. But an 80s format is what it is. They look at past history, how the songs test, the ones that get the strongest reactions, and those are the songs they play.

Like Sirius, Music Choice offers plans for businesses. It's a subscription plan where they pay all the music royalties required:


Music Choice is also available as an app, outside of cable TV. They know that cable subscriptions are down, so they're seeking to attract listeners who are looking for a curated music service.
Appreciate the detailed reply. Actually, I think some of what you're saying can be tied into what I wanted to talk about next so I'll post it here.
At this point, let's put aside positioning of songs because it's "familiarity" with some of the music that is of issue with me but this is not an isolated case.

Truth be known, I never cared much for Casey Kasem's AT40 when it originally aired and in all the replays except maybe when they got to the biggest hits.
In both the Metro NYC market and eventually in the Miami/Ft. Lauderdale market, I found there were way too many songs I didn't know, especially for the bottom 20 songs unless it was a former huge hit moving down the survey. It's human nature to want to hear music you know and love like many sweepers say.

When I moved to Florida in late 1979, I was immediately drawn to CHR Y-100 (WHYI). It was a departure from much of the music I knew. But because I listened quite attentively and frequently, I got into the groove so to speak. From 1980-1982, that station departed in a huge way from what virtually every CHR was doing. Ironically, they carried Casey Kasem's show and it was like the music presented there was from another planet.

There have been way many posts about differences between say L.A. and New York when it has come to hit music both new and when it was of golden oldie age.
The music didn't always correspond between the East and West Coasts. Even the Top 40 jocks had different on-air presence and style. The WABC listener and KHJ listener had different views of both how radio sounded, and the music it played, not entirely, but it was there.

I'm assuming Music Choice programming doesn't differentiate by location. What I hear on The Treasure Coast, someone in Chicago hears the same exact music? There are cases where a song can become a hit on the Top 40 chart but it was a region that created that scenario, not the entire country.

Anyway, among my favorite songs of the 1980s occurred in that 1980-1982 period. As much as I'd like to hear Junior's "Mama Used to Say" or
Shalamar's "A Night to Remember" or Frankie Smith's "Double Dutch Bus" to name a few, I know I'm not going to hear any of those songs on my local Classic Hits Station or the aforementioned Detroit's WLLZ HD-2 iHeart80s. But I can hear them and more in my own little world.

As far as the music testing goes that you mentioned that Music Choice does, all I can say is I can only assume it's done properly and the results are not fudged in any way like we know what happened with those Top 40 surveys. But really without making this too complicated. A listener like me and certainly others don't have to like a song just because it tests well.

I know for a fact Music Choice plays "Disco Duck" on their 70s channel. A big hit yes - even that was amazing -but if they test that song and the results are positive, there's that volume control or change of channel on our remote control for some of us. Nothing new there. People do that all the time for songs that are tested to death.

Sometimes a song can be unfamiliar and a person will love it the moment they hear it. That's happened to me many times as well. Perhaps more human nature when a song hits you in a special way. A little factoid: WABC never played Bob Seger's "Old Time Rock And Roll." Whenever I first heard the song, I loved it. Perhaps a reason why it earned a lot of spins over the years. As we know, sometimes there's so many other songs charting very well that some get no wiggle room.

By the mid 80s, WMXJ Magic 102.7 and the oldies format came to South Florida. I was hooked from Day One. Even when I eventually moved to Jacksonville in 1997 I streamed that station like it was a local every day. And so for the latter half of the 80s, the 80s songs I got to know would have been on AC which I would listen to on occasion. Eventually I had a lot of catching up to do. The Classic Hits format, when 80s were added, helped with my education.

Lastly, I talked about this many times. I never heard the song "Sweet Home Alabama" until I had moved to Jacksonville because of my job in 1997. I hated that song the first time I heard it and I still don't like it today. Of course, Music Choice 70s plays it and I'm confident it tests well as that's all I hear about that song. WABC never played that song....it just didn't fit the sound of the station. I did extensive research way back when and also found the major FM competitor WXLO (99X) never played it either. Here's another case where songs that were shunned in the past resurface in a big way.

Song familiairty, I think, weighs pretty heavily in our music choices.

More to come and hopefully not more of this!
 
In the 8 years I’ve lived on The Treasure Coast, I’ve become a “regular” at a Pizza Restaurant in the area. Early on, local radio stations played in the background most of the time. No station seemed to last very long. Perhaps that says a lot.

Eventually the music choice became iHeart’s 106.7 WLLZ-HD2 branded as iHeart80s. Having gotten to know the manager well, I know he’s a long-time TC resident, but he grew up in the Detroit area. It is human nature for many of us to be nostalgic, and revisit what we enjoyed or remembered in younger years.
I hate to burst your bubble here, but all this pizza manager did was set the in-store audio to the national iHeart80s stations.

iHeart hosts the majority of their national brands (iHeart50s-iHeart 2010s, Hit Nation, Beatles Radio, Elton John Radio, iHeartCountry, Big Classic Hits, etc., etc.) on HD2/3 subchannels in their various markets. Since the stations are connected to an OTA signal, the streaming royalties are lower than if it were strictly a stream. Call it a loophole, but it's a good use of all the HD2 and HD3 subchannels.

There isn't even an ability to listen to the stream for WLLZ-HD2. It's just a coincidence that the iHeart80s feed is hosted on an HD2 from Detroit. The iHeart90s feed is hosted on WLLZ-HD3 in Detroit. The iHeart70s feed is on WTFX-HD2 in Clarksville. I believe Beatles Now and Then is hosted on an HD2 in Washington DC. Elton John Radio is hosted on WMXY HD2 in Youngstown Ohio. The AT40 channel is hosted on an HD2 in Dayton.
 
I'm assuming Music Choice programming doesn't differentiate by location. What I hear on The Treasure Coast, someone in Chicago hears the same exact music? There are cases where a song can become a hit on the Top 40 chart but it was a region that created that scenario, not the entire country.

Correct. But that's mostly the case for music released prior to the 1980s. This has more to do with the music business than it does the radio business. By the 80s, the radio business was largely following what the music business told them. That became even more apparent after 1988, when two of the largest record labels in the US, RCA and Columbia, were each sold to foreign conglomerates. As it is, today both of them are owned by Sony, and you know where they are.

After the big pop music explosion of the 1960s, there was a push to centralize and nationalize the music business. They discovered they made more money when the music was released nationally. An early example was Elvis Presley. He was originally on a small local record label called Sun. Their reach and distribution was limited. Presley's manager had bigger goals, so he found a way to get Elvis to leave Sun and get signed by RCA. After that, he became Elvis. His music became global and wasn't restricted to the southeast. He wasn't the only one who saw this.

My point is that music lost its localism and regionalism after this. The big record labels had big budgets, and they could get their artists in front of more people. That required doing artist visits to radio. This wasn't a new thing. Loretta Lynn did it in the 1960s. But by the 80s, it was common practice. If you look through back issues of R&R, you'll see pictures of recording stars with radio people. They were brought there by label promo staffers. That's how the music was presented to radio: In person. At the same time, you had national radio trade publications pushing the national music agenda.

The next big change happened in the early 90s, when the sales charts became nationalized. At one time, record stories reported sales of units to the record labels. Because humans were involved, there was potential for bias. Then they instituted a new system using UPC codes on the records. Instead of humans reporting sales, the cash register captured the UPC code from the record. That information was transmitted directly to the labels, and they knew exactly what was selling. As a result, for the first time, a country star named Garth Brooks had the #1 selling album in the country. He went on to sell over 100 million albums, which wouldn't have been possible without this change in the way sales information was tabulated.

You mentioned Casey Kasem, and he was part of this nationalization process. He used the national Billboard charts. It didn't matter what was popular in your town or on your radio station. He played the songs in order of what was popular nationally. The bottom half of the chart, those unfamiliar songs you talked about, were often songs that might have regional appeal. But they weren't national hits. This became problematic for radio stations. Some of them wanted to skip the first half of the show. By the 90s, Casey was also hosting a Top 20 show to address that problem.

So that's a lengthy explanation about national vs. local music. Today for the most part, music is global. Even brand new artists find they have fans all over the world thanks to the internet. The fans know ALL their songs, not just the hits played on radio. So in answer to your question, Music Choice is a national platform. They don't localize to different areas, because music today isn't local. Even if radio stations have local DJs announcing them, or local PDs adding them to the playlist, for the most part they are national hits that people hear everywhere. The music business wants it this way. Since they own the music, they get to control how its used.
 
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I never heard the song "Sweet Home Alabama" until I had moved to Jacksonville because of my job in 1997.

You probably know this, but Lynyrd Skynyrd was based in Jacksonville. That was their home market. But the band was produced by Al Kooper, who founded Blood Sweat & Tears. By the 70s, Kooper was a hit record producer, and Skynyrd was initially signed to ABC Records. That label was owned by ABC TV. Big national label that had hits with MacArthur Park in the 60s. Skynyrd got tons of radio airplay on rock radio in the 70s. You may not have heard them on WXLO, but they were in regular rotation at WNEW-FM. The song has become an anthem all over the country.

As you can imagine, all of the original band members are dead. The most recent original member died last year. But the band continues to tour, mainly because of this one song. It tests extremely well with people in their 20s and 30s. They're the ones who show up at their concerts. They don't care that the song is older than they are. The lead singer is the younger brother of the original lead singer. He's hoping to retire soon. He's grooming his son to take over the band and continue their legacy into the next generation.
 
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I hate to burst your bubble here, but all this pizza manager did was set the in-store audio to the national iHeart80s stations.

Or he's using iHeart for Business:


If the store is of a certain size, it has to pay music royalties. Subscribing to one of the services I've given, either iHeart, Sirius, or Music Choice, will handle that and keep you legal. As the OP says: One of many radio alternatives. Another competitor to Muzak.
 
Appreciate the detailed reply. Actually, I think some of what you're saying can be tied into what I wanted to talk about next so I'll post it here.
At this point, let's put aside positioning of songs because it's "familiarity" with some of the music that is of issue with me but this is not an isolated case.

Truth be known, I never cared much for Casey Kasem's AT40 when it originally aired and in all the replays except maybe when they got to the biggest hits.
In both the Metro NYC market and eventually in the Miami/Ft. Lauderdale market, I found there were way too many songs I didn't know, especially for the bottom 20 songs unless it was a former huge hit moving down the survey. It's human nature to want to hear music you know and love like many sweepers say.

When I moved to Florida in late 1979, I was immediately drawn to CHR Y-100 (WHYI). It was a departure from much of the music I knew. But because I listened quite attentively and frequently, I got into the groove so to speak. From 1980-1982, that station departed in a huge way from what virtually every CHR was doing. Ironically, they carried Casey Kasem's show and it was like the music presented there was from another planet.

There have been way many posts about differences between say L.A. and New York when it has come to hit music both new and when it was of golden oldie age.
The music didn't always correspond between the East and West Coasts. Even the Top 40 jocks had different on-air presence and style. The WABC listener and KHJ listener had different views of both how radio sounded, and the music it played, not entirely, but it was there.

I'm assuming Music Choice programming doesn't differentiate by location. What I hear on The Treasure Coast, someone in Chicago hears the same exact music? There are cases where a song can become a hit on the Top 40 chart but it was a region that created that scenario, not the entire country.

Anyway, among my favorite songs of the 1980s occurred in that 1980-1982 period. As much as I'd like to hear Junior's "Mama Used to Say" or
Shalamar's "A Night to Remember" or Frankie Smith's "Double Dutch Bus" to name a few, I know I'm not going to hear any of those songs on my local Classic Hits Station or the aforementioned Detroit's WLLZ HD-2 iHeart80s. But I can hear them and more in my own little world.

As far as the music testing goes that you mentioned that Music Choice does, all I can say is I can only assume it's done properly and the results are not fudged in any way like we know what happened with those Top 40 surveys. But really without making this too complicated. A listener like me and certainly others don't have to like a song just because it tests well.

I know for a fact Music Choice plays "Disco Duck" on their 70s channel. A big hit yes - even that was amazing -but if they test that song and the results are positive, there's that volume control or change of channel on our remote control for some of us. Nothing new there. People do that all the time for songs that are tested to death.

Sometimes a song can be unfamiliar and a person will love it the moment they hear it. That's happened to me many times as well. Perhaps more human nature when a song hits you in a special way. A little factoid: WABC never played Bob Seger's "Old Time Rock And Roll." Whenever I first heard the song, I loved it. Perhaps a reason why it earned a lot of spins over the years. As we know, sometimes there's so many other songs charting very well that some get no wiggle room.

By the mid 80s, WMXJ Magic 102.7 and the oldies format came to South Florida. I was hooked from Day One. Even when I eventually moved to Jacksonville in 1997 I streamed that station like it was a local every day. And so for the latter half of the 80s, the 80s songs I got to know would have been on AC which I would listen to on occasion. Eventually I had a lot of catching up to do. The Classic Hits format, when 80s were added, helped with my education.

Lastly, I talked about this many times. I never heard the song "Sweet Home Alabama" until I had moved to Jacksonville because of my job in 1997. I hated that song the first time I heard it and I still don't like it today. Of course, Music Choice 70s plays it and I'm confident it tests well as that's all I hear about that song. WABC never played that song....it just didn't fit the sound of the station. I did extensive research way back when and also found the major FM competitor WXLO (99X) never played it either. Here's another case where songs that were shunned in the past resurface in a big way.

Song familiairty, I think, weighs pretty heavily in our music choices.

More to come and hopefully not more of this!

During the early 1980s, most top-40 stations were heavily AC-oriented with a few R&B slow jamss thrown in, but there were exceptions. Chicago's WLS and a few others really got into the heavy metal rock of that period, and stations in Los Angeles, San Francisco, Miami, and Boston really played a lot of R&B during this period. It really wouldn't be until the summer of 1983 in most places (and even later in Miami where both WHYI-FM and, more especially, WINZ-FM were really playing the dance hits heavily) when the top 40 stations' charts came much closer to each other. If you sign on the ARSA survey site and looked at the surveys at KOPA and KZZP in Phoenix for this period and then compared them to the surveys on site for WHYI and WINZ-FM in Miami, you will see what I mean.
 
WABC never played Bob Seger's "Old Time Rock And Roll."

Because by the time the song was released as a single, WABC was battling Disco 92 WKTU. They were playing Donna Summer, not Bob Seger. A couple years later, WABC stopped playing music altogether and went talk. However, Seger was in heavy rotation at WNEW-FM.

During the early 1980s, most top-40 stations were heavily AC-oriented with a few R&B slow jamss thrown in, but there were exceptions.

Since the OP is from NY, I'll reference that market. WNBC was heavily AC during this time. The big problem was the new competition these stations had on the FM dial. In NY, WXLO was more of a traditional Top 40 station because it was owned by RKO. That forced the heritage stations to play different music. At the same time, the record labels were signing more artists and releasing more music. Radio stations were more entrenched in their formats, but there were more stations, so that gave the labels more options for promoting their music. They didn't need to get all of their music on the same station anymore.

Record labels were looking for new outlets for their music. Getting back to the topic of this thread: Radio alternatives. That led to MTV and the various music shows on TV. Radio was becoming more difficult for breaking new music. The labels talked about radio PDs as "gatekeepers." That put music fans in more control. They weren't stuck with only one or two radio stations to hear music. They could watch MTV. Of course MTV wasn't local either, so that gave the record labels the national platform they wanted for their national music. The success of MTV marked the downfall of radio as the exclusive source for music. What that means is that when music services such as Music Choice pick music to play, they don't have to rely on what was popular on local radio. Because MTV had a big cultural impact in the music it was playing.
 
Because by the time the song was released as a single, WABC was battling Disco 92 WKTU. They were playing Donna Summer, not Bob Seger. A couple years later, WABC stopped playing music altogether and went talk. However, Seger was in heavy rotation at WNEW-FM.



Since the OP is from NY, I'll reference that market. WNBC was heavily AC during this time. The big problem was the new competition these stations had on the FM dial. In NY, WXLO was more of a traditional Top 40 station because it was owned by RKO. That forced the heritage stations to play different music. At the same time, the record labels were signing more artists and releasing more music. Radio stations were more entrenched in their formats, but there were more stations, so that gave the labels more options for promoting their music. They didn't need to get all of their music on the same station anymore.

Record labels were looking for new outlets for their music. Getting back to the topic of this thread: Radio alternatives. That led to MTV and the various music shows on TV. Radio was becoming more difficult for breaking new music. The labels talked about radio PDs as "gatekeepers." That put music fans in more control. They weren't stuck with only one or two radio stations to hear music. They could watch MTV. Of course MTV wasn't local either, so that gave the record labels the national platform they wanted for their national music. The success of MTV marked the downfall of radio as the exclusive source for music. What that means is that when music services such as Music Choice pick music to play, they don't have to rely on what was popular on local radio. Because MTV had a big cultural impact in the music it was playing.
Great points and perhaps it gives me the opportunity to wrap some things up.

Radio Discussions is a very interesting place. There have many times in the past where I thought I had presented a good topic and it was like pulling teeth to get someone, anyone to respond. In this string, I don't even know where to begin here but I do appreciate all the well-thought opinions of many who have taken the time to post.

What is true is music is a very important part of our lives. It arouses a lot of passions. I remember seeing one of those history programs and it talked about how cavemen created some form of music for their entertainment pleasure. And speaking of cavemen, there was that "Troglodyte" song from the early 70s. And yes, Music Choice and other radio alternatives such as SiriusXM's 70s will feature it sometimes. And so what?

I guess the whole idea of alternatives is to be just that. To make music decisions based on criteria and research the company establishes. Again, we don't have to agree with it. Even on terrestrial radio, button pushing happens and it will continue to happen.

As far as Bob Seger's "Old Time Rock & Roll" goes, it surprisingly peaked at #28 nationally back in 1979. You're probably right in explaining why the song wasn't played on WABC. In the past they would have debuted certain songs that charted much lower provided it satisfied certain demographic requirements and it was viewed as a hot prospect. But for the station that was hugely disco-intensive in 1979, the lyrics that conveyed an anti-disco message wouldn't do:


"Don't try to take me to a disco
You'll never even get me out on the floor
In ten minutes I'll be late for the door
I like that old time rock and roll."


The strategy was to battle Disco 92 WKTU. It proved to be an incorrect decision. Even Rick Sklar was against it. All his know-how and astronomic success and track record didn't matter. But as we all know, no matter what music decisions they would have made, the music audience had moved FM. They may have bought a little more time with something else but it would be like trying to fill in a few holes on the Titanic.

With regard to your Lynyrd Skynyrd reply, I think you gave a good explanation (youth appeal) that saw areas of the country that may not have featured both the band or the song "Sweet Home Alabama" in the past but eventually feature the song especially on classic hits formats. There was a time I closely followed playlists of classic hits stations around the country - many of them were from the old CBS Radio. I'm not saying WCBS-FM was the first station to jump on this but it seemed like overnight virtually everyone jumped on the Skynyrd bandwagon after CBS-FM started playing it in a decent rotation.

You answered some of the posters on my behalf so I'll leave it at that. But for the poster who said:

"I hate to burst your bubble here, but all this pizza manager did was set the in-store audio to the national iHeart80s stations."
Yes. He doesn't pay for anything. The fact that the HD2 comes from Detroit was just random. He does have Michigan roots. Much of his family still remains there. His Grandparents willed the family a lakeside vacation home on the U.P. of Michigan where he goes on vacation there every September, the traditionally slowest month for restaurants in Florida.

Lastly, I didn't think of MTV as a radio alternative but it certainly was. I, like so many others, couldn't get enough of it. But again, it shows the power and the allure of music.

I promised to talk about a SiriusXM channel that appears to be doing well here on The Treasure Coast. That's upcoming but before that I'd like to talk about Podcasts - not only a radio alternative but a radio talk show alternative as well.
 
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