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102.1-2
- Thread starter TheRover
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... and the masses have collapsed in grief.. all 2 of them.
Hate to tell you.. but pretty much NO ONE has HD radio. It's just not working.
Hate to tell you.. but pretty much NO ONE has HD radio. It's just not working.
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busyradioguy
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TheRover said:tested said:
The Edge, The Bone, The Eagle.... all of them are "not working", for me..
I got to listen to a weather report today on AM radio In HD WITHOUT the snap, crackle, pop, that you get in thunderstorms....
HD DOES work, and it works WELL... Thank You !!
Yeah... it works well for the few folks who actually have an HD radio. For the rest of us... Hash Browns. I like the snap, crackle and pop, thanks.
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rbrucecarter5
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TheRover said:
Uh - I have one, and the lightning strikes cause the HD to drop out on AM. Not much use ---
I have a HD Radio but rarely turn it on. Most of the time the HD-2 channels here are off. FM analog sounds better than HD. I don't see HD Working. Unless they change the prices of radios and to better coverage, I don't see it working. I had one in my Truck but disconnected it. It was not worth the drop outs on the HD-2 channels 30 miles from Austin!
Yep. Exactly what happens here too.rbrucecarter5 said:
TheRover said:tested said:
The Edge, The Bone, The Eagle.... all of them are "not working", for me..
I got to listen to a weather report today on AM radio In HD WITHOUT the snap, crackle, pop, that you get in thunderstorms....
HD DOES work, and it works WELL... Thank You !!
Ha! I'm glad you like it.
Seriously, my comment that "it's not working" was in reference to HD radio in general. It just hasn't caught on. I've had a horrible time finding HD radios for sale. They just haven't sold well and aren't doing anything to help the industry. You may be one of the few people in the area who actually listen to 102.1-2.. that's all I'm saying.
"I got to listen to a weather report today on AM radio In HD WITHOUT the snap, crackle, pop, that you get in thunderstorms....
HD DOES work, and it works WELL... Thank You !!" Here's a quick question for you guys. My experience with AM HD, for the most part, is a station has to be nearly static-free signal-wise before the HD signal will come in consistantly. If a guy can get the HD signal it's lossy digital compressed to the hilt. HD of course craps out garbage on the adjacent channels. So this brings up the question of the day: Would it just as good if not better to just REMOVE the NRSC filters, slam a full 15KHz worth of audio in analog and turn the transmitters up to at least at couple kilowatts minimal, letting the chips fly where they land? What's the difference really? It would be cheaper and actually better to just do that and get some radios that actually HAVE fidelity on AM. AM HD seems like it's just re-inventing the wheel just to invent something new, even if the final outcome is actually much worse. Now, if the FCC would give us some more spectrum to play with we could simulcast pure digital, either Digital Radio Mondale or even HD in pure digital mode and gain a lot. Trying to do it in the current hybrid mode proves NOTHING. Hell, we'd be better off even putting the digital signals on other channels in the band somewhere in pure digital mode and live with the interference than the current idea. How many expanded band AMs are there? How many channels were they SUPPOSED to dump? Could we do pure digital mode there for the 4 or less stations per market that seem to want to try the experiment? I just don't see the current system as implimented to be valuable.
Something's gotta give. The high school science project isn't working. Time to reasess and re-group. You know, if the damn goverment would let us have even just channel 6 where there will not be a channel 6 in the area, some of the lesser AMs could be moved making room to do digital in the band eventually. Go ahead and give toilet AM signaled stations a full FM channel down there with enough power to replicate the current AM signal. After 10 years I'd bet there would be enough radios out there that could get either the analog or digital signal in the expanded FM band to let stations shut off the AM signal and clear some space. What would that hurt? Wouldn't it serve the public better to allow more FMs and less AMs (eventually)? Lots more good local sports and things could be HEARD that way either on the new frequencies or on the stations left on the AM band in digital.
HD DOES work, and it works WELL... Thank You !!" Here's a quick question for you guys. My experience with AM HD, for the most part, is a station has to be nearly static-free signal-wise before the HD signal will come in consistantly. If a guy can get the HD signal it's lossy digital compressed to the hilt. HD of course craps out garbage on the adjacent channels. So this brings up the question of the day: Would it just as good if not better to just REMOVE the NRSC filters, slam a full 15KHz worth of audio in analog and turn the transmitters up to at least at couple kilowatts minimal, letting the chips fly where they land? What's the difference really? It would be cheaper and actually better to just do that and get some radios that actually HAVE fidelity on AM. AM HD seems like it's just re-inventing the wheel just to invent something new, even if the final outcome is actually much worse. Now, if the FCC would give us some more spectrum to play with we could simulcast pure digital, either Digital Radio Mondale or even HD in pure digital mode and gain a lot. Trying to do it in the current hybrid mode proves NOTHING. Hell, we'd be better off even putting the digital signals on other channels in the band somewhere in pure digital mode and live with the interference than the current idea. How many expanded band AMs are there? How many channels were they SUPPOSED to dump? Could we do pure digital mode there for the 4 or less stations per market that seem to want to try the experiment? I just don't see the current system as implimented to be valuable.
Something's gotta give. The high school science project isn't working. Time to reasess and re-group. You know, if the damn goverment would let us have even just channel 6 where there will not be a channel 6 in the area, some of the lesser AMs could be moved making room to do digital in the band eventually. Go ahead and give toilet AM signaled stations a full FM channel down there with enough power to replicate the current AM signal. After 10 years I'd bet there would be enough radios out there that could get either the analog or digital signal in the expanded FM band to let stations shut off the AM signal and clear some space. What would that hurt? Wouldn't it serve the public better to allow more FMs and less AMs (eventually)? Lots more good local sports and things could be HEARD that way either on the new frequencies or on the stations left on the AM band in digital.
TheRover said:
Not having a HD radio, what was on it? The Clear Channel corporate HD site only lists HD2 channels for KDMX 102.9 ("Pride Radio"), KZPS 92.5 ("Summit" -- AAA, I assume?), and KHKS 106.1 ("Wild" -- KYLD clone/simulcast I assume?). It doesn't show one for KDGE: http://www.kdge.com/cc-common/hdradio/.
Last week, the Observer had an article that KLLI 105.3 was trying alternative and indie rock, and a little local music, on their HD2 channel...
http://www.dallasobserver.com/2008-06-19/music/good-radio/
One would think KDGE should have done that to try to extend the "Edge" brand.
OKC radio guy.. you're basically right. I initially liked the idea of IBOC, but the implementation has been awful. I don't know if there's a better way to do IBOC than Ibiquity's system. At this point it seems like they'd be just better off finding a new band to shift all AM and FM stations to if they want to do digital. It would seem somewhat logical to me to shift all the stations into the low VHF-TV band. When the transistion to digital TV is complete, most stations won't be operating on channels 2-6. (DTV doesn't work that well on those low channels)
You could probably find a place on the remaining TV bands for those few stations to move to.
At this point though, I'm fairly convinced stations will find the digital solution is internet streaming. If they can start to get these wifi radios (or better ones that also work on cell phone internet technology) mass produced you would be able to enjoy crystal clear radio from anyone around the world - anywhere. I can basically do that with my Palm Treo now. (if you find the right service)
You could probably find a place on the remaining TV bands for those few stations to move to.
At this point though, I'm fairly convinced stations will find the digital solution is internet streaming. If they can start to get these wifi radios (or better ones that also work on cell phone internet technology) mass produced you would be able to enjoy crystal clear radio from anyone around the world - anywhere. I can basically do that with my Palm Treo now. (if you find the right service)
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busyradioguy
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tested said:
Technically yes, but remember the cost of streaming music online is going up and is retroactive. The RIAA et al are trying to kill Internet radio. They have been, since something like 2003. It's an uphill battle for broadcasters right now, and I don't foresee a resolution anytime in the near future.
busyradioguy said:TheRover said:tested said:
The Edge, The Bone, The Eagle.... all of them are "not working", for me..
I got to listen to a weather report today on AM radio In HD WITHOUT the snap, crackle, pop, that you get in thunderstorms....
HD DOES work, and it works WELL... Thank You !!
Yeah... it works well for the few folks who actually have an HD radio. For the rest of us... Hash Browns. I like the snap, crackle and pop, thanks.
I can switch between HD Radio and analog for those stations transmitting in HD.
So, I too like the snap - crackle - pop, but not, when I'm listening to a weather bulletin..... But it's fine when you actually want to hear the thungder and lightning....
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busyradioguy
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TheRover said:
What's the point? You can't exactly try before you buy that way. I'd rather be able to walk into a store and try it out before considering it.
To HD or not to HD.....
I found it interesting that the national engineering trade publication Radio World, which out of necessity has to lean in favor of IBOC because of revenue concerns had a wonderful article recently on an engineer who restores older Optimods, especially 8000's and 8100's.
My "peso" on the matter? I can deal with it on FM though I doubt I'll ever use it. But it should have never seen the light of day on AM.
And nothing beats an 8100 on a well engineered FM station.
I found it interesting that the national engineering trade publication Radio World, which out of necessity has to lean in favor of IBOC because of revenue concerns had a wonderful article recently on an engineer who restores older Optimods, especially 8000's and 8100's.
My "peso" on the matter? I can deal with it on FM though I doubt I'll ever use it. But it should have never seen the light of day on AM.
And nothing beats an 8100 on a well engineered FM station.
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