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102.1 to NRC

S

Safford

NRC appears to have picked up KXDC 102.1 from Superior in exchange for KSKE 104.7. This makes me wonder a few things:

1. Will 102.1 start simulcasting 102.3?
2. Will NRC upgrade 102.1 to a completely new channel or use their ownership of 102.3 to allow for non-standard interference between the two?
3. Will Superior try to upgrade KSKE into Denver? I've yet to see them buy a station they haven't tried to tweak and flip, so I'm guessing the answer is yes...<P ID="signature">______________
Safford Black
Webmaster, RadioEmporium.net</P>
 
Hi everyone:

> NRC appears to have picked up KXDC 102.1 from Superior in
> exchange for KSKE 104.7. This makes me wonder a few things:
>
> 1. Will 102.1 start simulcasting 102.3?

Yes, but it will have to be relegated to a translator station up in the hills though.

> 2. Will NRC upgrade 102.1 to a completely new channel or use
> their ownership of 102.3 to allow for non-standard
> interference between the two?

If they even consider this, they'd be more likely to simply upgrade 102.1 and move 102.3 over to 102.1 and leave it at that.

> 3. Will Superior try to upgrade KSKE into Denver? I've yet
> to see them buy a station they haven't tried to tweak and
> flip, so I'm guessing the answer is yes...

Yes, but it'll have to be on 104.7 though. I don't see what could stop them.

BTW...Does anyone know what KSKE's format is?

Cheers for now & HAPPY NEW YEAR!! :)

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> Hi everyone:
>
> > NRC appears to have picked up KXDC 102.1 from Superior in
> > exchange for KSKE 104.7. This makes me wonder a few
> things:
> >
> > 1. Will 102.1 start simulcasting 102.3?
>
> Yes, but it will have to be relegated to a translator
> station up in the hills though.
>
> > 2. Will NRC upgrade 102.1 to a completely new channel or
> use
> > their ownership of 102.3 to allow for non-standard
> > interference between the two?
>
> If they even consider this, they'd be more likely to simply
> upgrade 102.1 and move 102.3 over to 102.1 and leave it at
> that.
>
> > 3. Will Superior try to upgrade KSKE into Denver? I've yet
>
> > to see them buy a station they haven't tried to tweak and
> > flip, so I'm guessing the answer is yes...
>
> Yes, but it'll have to be on 104.7 though. I don't see what
> could stop them.
>
> BTW...Does anyone know what KSKE's format is?
>
> Cheers for now & HAPPY NEW YEAR!! :)
>
> Pat
>
Here is a question then..
Since NRC bought KXDC, are they going to move the transmitter from the mountians to the plains finally? Or what is the deal on that? Becasue if they didn't already know, the postion of the transmitter is in a very bad spot if they think about moving 102.3 to 102.1. Which I can see why they would then KCUV would be able to be heard up and down the front range only if they move the transmitter for once.<P ID="signature">______________
From Radioman, the dude that knows most about radio and tries to think he does!</P>
 
> > 2. Will NRC upgrade 102.1 to a completely new channel or
> use
> > their ownership of 102.3 to allow for non-standard
> > interference between the two?
>
> If they even consider this, they'd be more likely to simply
> upgrade 102.1 and move 102.3 over to 102.1 and leave it at
> that.
>

They can not broadcast a 102.1 from the current 102.3 transmitter site due to the recently upgraded 101.9fm from Colorado Springs. Obviously some improvement is coming to some frequency but remember that an upgrade for 102.3 is blocked to the north by Loveland's 102.5 KTRR.
 
> They can not broadcast a 102.1 from the current 102.3
> transmitter site due to the recently upgraded 101.9fm from
> Colorado Springs. Obviously some improvement is coming to
> some frequency but remember that an upgrade for 102.3 is
> blocked to the north by Loveland's 102.5 KTRR.

I was just about to say the same thing, Rick! Upgrading 102.1 is a no-can-do. There's hardly a more blocked in signal anywhere!
 
From everything I've seen, 102.1 is pretty well locked into where it is. As pointed out, 102.5 up north prevents too much movement as does 102.3 to the south. And 102.1 still needs to maintain a city grade over Estes Park.

Short of simply simulcasting 102.3, I could see moving 102.1 to the west to still serve Estes Park and at the same time reduce adjacent channel interference to 102.3 northwest of Denver. Economic-wise, it appears to make more sense that 102.1 will simulcast 102.3....
 
> 3. Will Superior try to upgrade KSKE into Denver? I've yet
> to see them buy a station they haven't tried to tweak and
> flip, so I'm guessing the answer is yes...

My theory is that they bought KSKE to upgrade KKCS. Right now, KKCS is way too shortspaced to KSKE to put a better signal into the Springs.
 
KSKE-AM question

Is the AM just a throaway being part of the largely brokered Radio Colorado Network? If KOA and the rest of the talkers don't come in, could it serve as more mainstream talk with Rush and the like?
 
Re: KSKE-AM question

> Is the AM just a throaway being part of the largely brokered
> Radio Colorado Network? If KOA and the rest of the talkers
> don't come in, could it serve as more mainstream talk with
> Rush and the like?
>

KSKE-AM has not been co-owned with the FM for a long time, despite
having common call letters. It is not only part of Radio Colorado,
but owned by Radio Colorado (Pilgrim Communications).
 
Interesting thought, Kent. My gut reaction was an attempt to upgrade KSKE into Denver. Both may be valid theories, and they might be able to do both in one fell swoop.

If KSKE were to be moved east to the tower shared by KSIR/KBRU, it wouldn't interfere with KJCD. It'd also be a little farther north, so as to allow KKCS to bump up a class or two.

The clause in the purchase agreement that allows NRC to LMA 104.7 until a suitable replacement can be found leads me to believe that 104.7 will no longer serve the Vail area once all the technical work is complete. If it were a simple class downgrade from a C1 to an A to allow KKCS to bump up, they'd still serve Vail, so I suspect there will be a relocation of the transmitter to some degree.<P ID="signature">______________
Safford Black
Webmaster, RadioEmporium.net</P>
 
> > 3. Will Superior try to upgrade KSKE into Denver? I've yet
>
> > to see them buy a station they haven't tried to tweak and
> > flip, so I'm guessing the answer is yes...
>
> My theory is that they bought KSKE to upgrade KKCS. Right
> now, KKCS is way too shortspaced to KSKE to put a better
> signal into the Springs.

Remember that right now Superior is just LMA'ing KKCS 104.5 from Royal
Gorge. Makes one speculate as to whether Superior has an option
to buy the signal outright.....
 
> Remember that right now Superior is just LMA'ing KKCS 104.5
> from Royal
> Gorge. Makes one speculate as to whether Superior has an
> option
> to buy the signal outright.....

If I remember the release correctly, they do have such an option, though I can't be 100% certain.
 
> Interesting thought, Kent. My gut reaction was an attempt to
> upgrade KSKE into Denver. Both may be valid theories, and
> they might be able to do both in one fell swoop.
> If KSKE were to be moved east to the tower shared by
> KSIR/KBRU, it wouldn't interfere with KJCD. It'd also be a
> little farther north, so as to allow KKCS to bump up a class
> or two.
> The clause in the purchase agreement that allows NRC to LMA
> 104.7 until a suitable replacement can be found leads me to
> believe that 104.7 will no longer serve the Vail area once
> all the technical work is complete. If it were a simple
> class downgrade from a C1 to an A to allow KKCS to bump up,
> they'd still serve Vail, so I suspect there will be a
> relocation of the transmitter to some degree.

That's certainly possible. Given that there are so many stations just .4 mHz apart from Denver stations, there's almost certainly a way to move it in without affecting KJCD or KXKL (which it would also have to protect). Something that has also crossed my mind is that Superior could just be using KSKE to upgrade KKCS and may spin it back to NRC or some other buyer with a greatly reduced signal. Although the words "suitable replacement" and the past history of Superior lend creedence to the idea that they're trying to move KSKE into Denver, I've never heard of an indefinite LMA before now. That leads me to think there's either not much of a rush to move KSKE or that NRC already has another station in mind and has informed Superior of its plans.
 
What was KKCS's original point?

What I don't understand is why KKCS moved their transmitter north of the Springs to now put a marginal signal into the South Denver burbs, and COlorado Springs. I understand wanting to incorporate Denver into the listening audience, but according to my last visit up there, KKCS is only putting a marginal signal into South Denver and a barely listenable one north of downtown. Most of the springs still has a decent signal except south of Downtown.

Was this currect location the closest KKCS could get into Denver? By the way, the 104.5 signal into the Springs is a joke. Unless you live in Security or Widefield areas, you would be best sticking with 101.9.

> > They can not broadcast a 102.1 from the current 102.3
> > transmitter site due to the recently upgraded 101.9fm from
>
> > Colorado Springs. Obviously some improvement is coming to
> > some frequency but remember that an upgrade for 102.3 is
> > blocked to the north by Loveland's 102.5 KTRR.
>
> I was just about to say the same thing, Rick! Upgrading
> 102.1 is a no-can-do. There's hardly a more blocked in
> signal anywhere!
>
 
Re: What was KKCS's original point?

> What I don't understand is why KKCS moved their transmitter
> north of the Springs to now put a marginal signal into the
> South Denver burbs, and COlorado Springs.

Simple...money! A Denver station, even a mediocre one, is worth way more than a Colorado Springs station. When Superior bought KKCS 101.9 from Walton, a lot of people felt like a move to Denver was coming. Superior has a reputation of buying stations, upgrading them and/or moving them into a large market, and selling them for big bucks.

> Was this currect location the closest KKCS could get into
> Denver?

Probably so. However, it looks like it will have a primary signal contour that covers a larger population than 101.5 and 107.1 (two move-ins from the Ft Morgan area). After all, it really didn't have to afford any protection to class C's on Lookout Mountain, which the other two did.

> By the way, the 104.5 signal into the Springs is a
> joke. Unless you live in Security or Widefield areas, you
> would be best sticking with 101.9.

It has been upraded a little bit since when you lived in Colorado Springs, but it's still a sub-par signal at best, at least for now. So, your assessment is basically correct. I really think you're going to find that signal upgraded when Superior announces out what it's going to do with KSKE. However, I'm sure Superior really didn't worry too much about the future of KKCS when they made their decision. I'd have to think they cared more about getting 101.9 moved into Denver and sold than they did keeping KKCS at the top of the ratings in the Springs.
 
Re: What was KKCS's original point?

> Simple...money! A Denver station, even a mediocre one, is
> worth way more than a Colorado Springs station. When
> Superior bought KKCS 101.9 from Walton, a lot of people felt
> like a move to Denver was coming. Superior has a reputation
> of buying stations, upgrading them and/or moving them into a
> large market, and selling them for big bucks.

> However, I'm sure Superior really didn't worry too much
> about the future of KKCS when they made their decision. I'd
> have to think they cared more about getting 101.9 moved into
> Denver and sold than they did keeping KKCS at the top of the
> ratings in the Springs.
>

Exactly Kent!
 
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