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103.9'S 23-YEAR SURPRISE

I hesitated to start a brand new thread since my hunch is that this won’t generate much, if any, discussion. But it didn’t really fit under either “103.9: New Format Speculation” or the post-change “103.9’s next format.”

Anyway, whaddaya know -- 103.9 Classic Hit’s music mix is exactly the kind of approach I was expecting from Nabco -- 23 years ago. When 99.7 changed formats in September, 1986 and I found out the new format was to be called WMGG Classic Hits I was pleased, expecting to hear something similar to what I had heard on other US stations that were using that moniker. Instead, it turned out to actually be a traditional 50’s and 60’s Oldies format. Then in 1987 WMGG evolved to a hard-ish Classic Rock format, and started calling it Classic Rock.

Then when Nabco acquired 103.9 in 1999, that frequency debuted a format they also called Classic Hits. But this time Nabco’s “Classic Hits” was actually pretty run-of-the-mill Classic Rock, minus the harder stuff and album cuts.

Now, as 2009 draws to a close, Nabco is FINALLY doing the kind of Classic Hits I originally expected -- only took 23 years! It’s a somewhat mellower Classic Rock derivative (but not *too* soft) that also plays some album cuts and a reasonable amount of late-60’s/early 70’s rock-compatible oldies (e.g., “Wild Thing” by the Troggs, “I Feel The Earth Move” by Carole King, or the timeless “Boxer” by Simon & Grafunkel) and songs that are either a little too poppy for CR now (“Tusk,” "War," “Feelin Stronger Every Day,”) or older and no-longer-favored CR album cuts/minor hits ( “Tied to the Whipping Post,” “Tupelo Honey,” "Rainy Day Women").

So, it took 23 years, but now Nabco is finally doing what I expected (and was hoping to hear) back then. But now, instead of 8-21 years old, the music has become 23-44 years old. (Note that the lower end of the range grew by less than 23 years because they do play 80’s music.) It’s not on a big signal anymore, and it’s not live and local, but, hey, I guess I was just too impatient? I still like this approach and feel it's (still!) different than anything ever done in an earnest way in Columbus, but whether it still has the same potential today remains to be seen -- even after adjusting the criteria for ratings performance WAY down due to the rimshot signal’s marginal viability. In fact, to be honest this can’t really be equated to having the same format on 99.7 -- either 23 years ago or today -- but I find it curious and kind of nice in a consolation-prize kind of way.

Of course, in the last ten years the term “Classic Hits” has been confused by slapping the same term on “modernized” oldies, and sometimes on Adult Hits, and sometimes even on anything that plays soley non-current hit-pop or hit-rock of any era through the 00’s.

I am still kind of perplexed that the new WTDA’s Dial Global Classic Hits sounded like a significantly different approach much of the first day, and wonder if anything can be read into that. Also, they really need to dump that obnoxious sweeper that says, “We don’t mean to scare you, <whispering> but if you don’t listen to us you’ll go deaf.” Almost reminds me of the ad campaign that brought down Schlitz beer ("Buy Schlitz or I'll kill you").
 
I too am also pleased with the new format. It reminds me a lot of 100.5 WKXA in Findlay. They've used the "classic hits" format for many years, and have had a lot of success. The only station that WTDA competes with now is Big Hits 104.3, and barely at that. 103.9 already has the upper hand running a stereo signal, while 104.3 doesn't. I live 4 miles from the 104.3 tower and it sounds like its 25 miles away.

Good pick for once NABCO. Now if we could just get them to quit following 96.3 with 99.7 and get 96.3 to remove their heads from Clear Channel's 105.7's @$$es, the rock would be much better in Columbus. I'd love to see one of the 3 take on the same approach that 102.3 The Fox in Mansfield or 104.7 WTUE in Dayton does. I could listen to those stations all day.
 
I like the way they butcher some of the tunes, editing bits of them out to keep things moving, I guess. I also like the sweeper that says "Songs you can't hear anywhere else," and then you change stations and hear them somewhere else.
 
jakej said:
   I like the way they butcher some of the tunes, editing bits of them out to keep things moving, I guess. I also like the sweeper that says "Songs you can't hear anywhere else," and then you change stations and hear them somewhere else.

Yeah, I've noticed the occasional butchering.  Surprising for a service that has "respect for the music" imaging.  Also, I could swear that once I was listening and a song sounded a little sped-up -- like CHR does on purpose sometimes -- but then suddenly slowed down to normal speed.

As for the "songs you can't hear anywhere else" sweeper, that obviously isn't meant to apply to *every* song -- far from it   If that's a national sweeper, the degree to which the statement is true will obviously vary by market (and this format seems to be mostly in small markets  -- although in many ways Columbus seems to have more in common with small markets than Top 100's).  Besides, that's a real common convention that is widely used by many library-based rock stations as they try to image variety (real or perceived).  E.g., the Brew occasionally stages a song by boasting about the "Big Brew Music Library" (or something like that) and then says "here's another song you don't hear on the radio any more" (or something like that).  These often (not always) turn out to be a tune that is still on other local stations, e.g. AC's.  Sometimes it will be a tune the Brew itself was hammering not long ago.

BTW, in the original post, I think I overstated things a bit.  While the current 103.9 definitely has many of the elements of what I was expecting for 99.7 23 years ago, it's not quite the same and maybe 30-40% of the time sounds a lot like a typical Classic Rock for long stretches.  It also goes through less-frequent stretches with the opposite issue, where it almost sounds mainstream AC (though thank God nothing like the soft AC -- Celene Dion or Bette Midler -- that probably saddled TED-FM with negative perceptual damage that lingered even  after they wised up and dumped it).

In summary, I stand by my original post for this thread -- the new 103.9 *is* distinct -- but I probably overstated things.  While it's good to see for Columbus (to the degree a syndicated rimshot can engender enthusiasm),  I'm sure if I could go back and listen to those other-market Classic Hits stations from 23 years ago today, I would notice significant differences from 103.9 along with the similarities.  Even a comparison to prominent similar-approach stations of today -- e.g., greatly-successful WDRV (the Drive) in Chicago -- reveals significant differences.  Obviously the Drive sounds better.  But I still want to end this post on a positive note and re-iterate that it's nice to see this approach finally show up here in earnest on 103.9.  (The "in earnest" refers to the fact that some other Columbus stations have half-heartedly toyed with some of the same elements in the past.)
 
jakej said:
I like the way they butcher some of the tunes, editing bits of them out to keep things moving, I guess. I also like the sweeper that says "Songs you can't hear anywhere else," and then you change stations and hear them somewhere else.

Jake:

Are you referring to "single edits" of songs? I don't know because I can't now listen to them (being in Dayton).

But, in many cases, stations will play the single edits because that's the way they were heard first...on crappy sounding AM radio.

As to the sweeper, yeah...that's kind of stupid. That kind of liner needs to be played before a song that you can't hear anywhere else, or else...they shouldn't play it. But, I've never considered NABCO to be programming geniuses.
 
376accord said:
YAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWN!!!!!!! :p

We get it, you're not anywhere near the demo.  And even many who ARE in the demo would have no interest in Classic Rock or Classic Hits.  So why should you or them continue to click on the thread?
 
KevinFodor said:
jakej said:
I like the way they butcher some of the tunes, editing bits of them out to keep things moving, I guess. I also like the sweeper that says "Songs you can't hear anywhere else," and then you change stations and hear them somewhere else.

Jake:

Are you referring to "single edits" of songs? I don't know because I can't now listen to them (being in Dayton).

But, in many cases, stations will play the single edits because that's the way they were heard first...on crappy sounding AM radio.

As to the sweeper, yeah...that's kind of stupid. That kind of liner needs to be played before a song that you can't hear anywhere else, or else...they shouldn't play it. But, I've never considered NABCO to be programming geniuses.

Fyi, they stream at http://classichits1039.com.

Tim (jakej) exaggerated, they DO often play a song rarely, if ever, heard elsewhere in town after that sweeper. As for the edits, they don't always sound like the single edits...sometimes it sounds more like a technical glitch.
 
I dug my time at Eagle 103.9.

What are they doing for talent? Is it just sweepers? Or, tracked. Are they having Mark do mornings?
 
Neanderpaul said:
I dug my time at Eagle 103.9.

What are they doing for talent? Is it just sweepers? Or, tracked. Are they having Mark do mornings?

They are running Dial Global's Classic Hits format 24/7 it appears.
 
What I am trying to say is that the Columbus radio market is "TIRED". The same thing. No one ever tries anything new. I guess that's why I listen to Sirius. Yea, I pay the $9.95 a month to listent to music but at least it's worth something listening to compared to turning the FM dial here in Columbus and getting the same song or same format on every channel. When will Columbus wake up and notice that we need something NEW and FRESH instead of REPEATS? ???
 
I know someone suggested Polka. If someone didn't go for that format, it would at least be a good stunt before the actual format flip to a permanent format.

Not a fan of the Sirius or XM my self. It would be nice if some of the radio stations around here would put their HD2 channel to a unique alternate use. Duplicating the same thing that is on the Analog signal give no incentive for listeners to get HD, however, if they put something there that is unique, then the listeners have a reason to... well... listen. They could do it automated, and or bring back an old format that people actually liked. Is the cost of powering up the HD2 that prohibitive that they can't even use it to experiment with by trying a unique format? Heck, with listeners going to Sirius/XM and streaming Internet Radio, they really ought to give it a try.
 
Nu_Roo_2 said:
KevinFodor said:
jakej said:
I like the way they butcher some of the tunes, editing bits of them out to keep things moving, I guess. I also like the sweeper that says "Songs you can't hear anywhere else," and then you change stations and hear them somewhere else.

Jake:

Are you referring to "single edits" of songs? I don't know because I can't now listen to them (being in Dayton).

But, in many cases, stations will play the single edits because that's the way they were heard first...on crappy sounding AM radio.

As to the sweeper, yeah...that's kind of stupid. That kind of liner needs to be played before a song that you can't hear anywhere else, or else...they shouldn't play it. But, I've never considered NABCO to be programming geniuses.


Tim (jakej) exaggerated, they DO often play a song rarely, if ever, heard elsewhere in town after that sweeper. As for the edits, they don't always sound like the single edits...sometimes it sounds more like a technical glitch.

No, I DIDN'T exaggerate(!), no, they're not single edits, and no, I don't think they're technical glitches, either, cause they're too surgical, in the sense that they're cutting bits out exactly where I'd cut them out if I felt the perverse need to shorten the overplayed things by about 5-10 seconds.
Three "no's" in that last sentence so here's two "yes's" -- yes, it's going to be a great "Yesterday's Top Secrets" rebroadcast tonight on "Secrets Classic", and yes, it's going to include a special brief introductory comment from me about 'TDA. And thanks, Dispatch, for yet another "Highlights" listing today! That's four Mondays in a row, and now I'm on the edge of my seat as I await Tim Feran's always dazzling Year-In-Review article about the wonderful, exciting, and ever-changing world of Columbus radio that we all sure enjoyed in 2009.
 
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