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104.1-SA NOW SIMULCASTING KSAH 720 AM

saradio1 said:
104.1 has a very good signal into the city. Anyone that "resides in SA" knows this.
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Very good on what? OEM car radio? Table radio? Pocket radio? Mp3 player radio?

I don't know what part of the metro you are in, but 104.1 is not a very good overall market signal.
 
amisdead said:
saradio1 said:
104.1 has a very good signal into the city. Anyone that "resides in SA" knows this.
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Very good on what? OEM car radio? Table radio? Pocket radio? Mp3 player radio?

I don't know what part of the metro you are in, but 104.1 is not a very good overall market signal.
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Whether you or anyone believes it's a good; really doesn't matter. The station will reach it's target audience with little too no interference.
 
That station just can't hold a format!
 
jras20 said:
That station just can't hold a format!
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I agree with you jras20 but this is a little different. KSAH has been on the air for many years and unlike the rest of the cluster(exception Jack), it has positive numbers.
 
saradio1 said:
fredcantu said:
I did not know that. But boosters do not extend coverage. Check out the map for the booster. It does not include any more of the metro than the main signal.
http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=FB1120237.html
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104.1 has a very good signal into the city. Anyone that "resides in SA" knows this.
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It's pretty well established that the average table radio, office radio, kitchen radio or clock radio needs 64 dbu or above to receive any signal clearly and easily. KRIO does not have a 64 dbu in any part of Bexar County save a mile or two wide arc at the very southern side; it has no 70 dbu signal anywhere in Bexar.

A booster can not expand the coverage of a station and is generally used to fill in shadow areas that would otherwise get a signal above a certain level.
 
Yeah, I think you all are correct. I'm sure BMP intentions were to invest in a power booster and entertain the freakin cows and whatever wildlife is out there. Because atleast according to people that don't even live in SA, the signal doesn't reach the city limits. Ummm okay.
 
Sure it comes in great on a car radio south of Military. Otherwise, the signal sucks with minimal westside presence and almost nothing north. Although BMP does skirt the rules with it's engineering so I am sure that booster is putting more north than it should be.
 
saradio1 said:
at least according to people that don't even live in SA, the signal doesn't reach the city limits. Ummm okay.
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If you read the previous posts, nobody ever said that 104.1 doesn't reach the city limits. We are saying that 104.1 is a rim shot to San Antonio. According to FCC rules a C1 on 104.1 (KRIO) must be 82 km (50 miles) from a C1 on 104.5 (KZEP.) And since KZEP's tower is in downtown San Antonio, that means KRIO's tower has to be 50 miles from downtown. That's a long haul even for a full blown class C0. And the people north of downtown are obviously even further way.
 
anthonydt06 said:
FWIW I can pick up 104.1 just fine on a home radio in Alamo Heights and likewise in a car radio across most of the city.
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Yet I have these ding dongs from outside of SA telling me that it can be heard inside the city......good grief. Anyhow, thanks anthonyt06. A buddy of mine that works off of 410/Broadyway (in a mid rise building) said he can also pick up the station at his desk with no problems.
 
saradio1 said:
Yet I have these ding dongs from outside of SA telling me that it can be heard inside the city......good grief. Anyhow, thanks anthonyt06. A buddy of mine that works off of 410/Broadyway (in a mid rise building) said he can also pick up the station at his desk with no problems.
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This particular ding dong plotted at home and at work listening for that signal across many, many dairy books using the ZIP code breaks, and there was essentially little to no usage other than in the southernmost 20% of Bexar County... the rest of the listening came from Wilson and Atascoa counties, and a bit of Medina county.

In car listening is not tracable by ZIP, of course.

The 70 dbu covers 50,000 people. The 60 dbu only gets 165,000 people... and generally, 95% of all listening in home and at work is inside the 64 dbu (which covers less than 100 thousand people). That's from FCC calculated contours against a recent population map.
 
saradio1 said:
Yeah, I think you all are correct. I'm sure BMP intentions were to invest in a power booster and entertain the freakin cows and whatever wildlife is out there. Because atleast according to people that don't even live in SA, the signal doesn't reach the city limits. Ummm okay.
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The booster is directional, and does not put any more signal over Bexar county than the main transmitter is licensed for... it just is supposed to fill in "terrain variances."

Booster: http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=FB1120237.html
Main Signal: http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=FM605620.html
 
anthonydt06 said:
FWIW I can pick up 104.1 just fine on a home radio in Alamo Heights and likewise in a car radio across most of the city.
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FWIW-- I drove into SA today from Austin on IH-35 and the seek on my GM OEM radio didn't lock onto 104.1 until about Loop 1604. Also FWIW-- At the same point the seek also started locking on the KAHL translator on 103.7.
 
fredcantu said:
anthonydt06 said:
FWIW I can pick up 104.1 just fine on a home radio in Alamo Heights and likewise in a car radio across most of the city.
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FWIW-- I drove into SA today from Austin on IH-35 and the seek on my GM OEM radio didn't lock onto 104.1 until about Loop 1604.  Also FWIW-- At the same point the seek also started locking on the KAHL translator on 103.7.
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Works about the same for me. Both can be heard within the 1604 loop... I live inside loop 410, so the signal is most likely even stronger.  Thanks for validating my point. :)
 
anthonydt06 said:
Works about the same for me. Both can be heard within the 1604 loop... I live inside loop 410, so the signal is most likely even stronger. Thanks for validating my point. :)
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Your only point is that you can hear it. But listeners do not use it because the in home and at work signal in Bexar is not strong enough... that's why, when we had work-home-car breaks, the station got a 0.3 share (4 book average) in Bexar County in at work listening... in other words, nearly no reported listening at all.
 
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