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This would result in in an FM dogfight - "Orlando's Right Talk" competing with "News Ninety Six Five", "Bud vs. Joe", "Herman vs. Glenn", "Clark vs. Rush", "Sean vs. Dave". Got to figure it would be a daytime ratings rollercoaster. If this happens though, what does CC do with AM540 ... 104.1 covers half the state, no need to simulcast on AM. Put 740 Fox Sports back on 540 (ala 1992) and try to make it a big time sports station again? Maybe throw some type oldies on 740AM to grab a nitch market?
jmtillery said:
I already have. Again, this market will not support two class C talkers, especially with all the format holes out there. Your correct predictions is based upon following the current Cox formula du jour. If CC flips FLA to 104.1, based on the strength of their programming alone, 96.5 simply cannot last. Herman Cain is weak outside of Atlanta (and rather weak there) and Clark's ship has sailed. Beck, Rush & Ramsey are talk's current hot properties.
Even Cox will stick with a loser for only so long.
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upstate29651 said:
Actually you haven't. I asked you to expound upon where my statements and opinions are illogical. So far, you haven't shown me where the illogic exist. What you have argued is where, in your opinion, two 100kw FM news-talk stations cannot co-exist in the same market. However, there is nothing in your argument that proves anything I have presented is illogical.
upstate29651 said:
Actually you are incorrect on how I made my correct predictions. My prediction of WHTQ becoming WDBO was made long before the change was made. I was ridiculed on these very boards for making such a statement a few years ago. I was told Cox would never "blow-up" the classic rocker WHTQ by an insider with Cox Radio. I was called clueless by this same person along with a few of his cronies. You name it, and I've heard it. The insults didn't bother me because I considered the source and I knew I was correct and I knew those ridiculing me were incorrect. I did not base my prediction upon any Cox formulas, as you suggested, since my prediction was made long before Cox starting "blowing up" underperforming classic rockers in favor of a news-talk simulcast. However, that was a very nice attempt from you at claiming to have an accurate assessment in knowing what is going on in my mind, my mind-set and my thought processes.
Byron said:
Bull, his ex-producer who was let go as part of the shake ups in December, was actually going off on him on his (Bull's) Facebook page when the news broke. The way Bull tells it, they had no intention of ever renewing Buckethead's contract when it was up in June and he was told--I guess by Bucket--that he was being let go because they didn't think there was any point in keeping around a producer for a show that wasn't going to be around in six months. I remember the week before everything came out the show was randomly in best off because Buckethead was "on vacation" or taking a few days off or whatever; apparently in reality he was out of state working on a deal for somewhere else knowing that the show was ending the next week. And apparently it was something that he kept from most everyone until news came out that weekend. I know Russ mentioned on the Monsters that Buckethead had told him but I have no clue about anyone like Oddo or whoever.
I was initially sad to see the show go since it was starting to pick back up with one of the new interns, Slick, who had been more of a cast member than an intern. However I'm not quite as sad after what Bull said. Apparently after Buckethead's big emotional moment on-air when Bull was released he actually couldn't be bothered to speak to his "best friend" afterwards outside of a few small "merry christmas" style texts. Likewise according to Bull they were never actually friends off the air, Buckethead is basically a snake, he apparently yelled at Bull once for coming in late because he was in pain from an MS attack. A few old interns (Timvestite mainly) that commented didn't make any effort to dispel Bull's side of things either. Buckethead himself hasn't posted on his own facebook page since the show ended.
So I guess knowing how he was it doesn't make me quite as annoyed. I still AM annoyed that instead of bringing back SBK Live to take that slot they replaced it with The News Junkie who I absolutely despised when he was in the 5 AM slot; terrible opinions and even if I didn't think he was a raging moron he's just not an entertaining or charismatic host. Shame that Sabrina, who was amazing the last few months when she was interning for the BS, has to be stuck on that entertainment wasteland. There's also a lot of shady stuff going on, imo, where News Junkie was "let go" but then brought back shortly after to fill in the BS' spot which makes me wonder if/believe that his being let go was a giant ruse for... some reason, but that's probably paranoia.
As for the possibility of the station changing, I think the writing's been on the wall since December. There's no reason to cancel SBK Live or dump the BS if you weren't thinking of moving in a different direction I think. They're preludes to something bigger and that's a fear that's not allayed as the station further emphasizes classic rock. During the 4th of July weekend where the shows were off on Thursday and Friday they decided to just do four days of classic rock instead of doing Best Ofs for the shows. Maybe it's just because you can't really do a Best Of for News Junkie since it had only been around for a week and its format (strictly current events) doesn't work for Best Of anyway like the other shows but it still makes me believe that at some point the stations flipping to classic rock. I honestly figured it would be whenever Philips retires but at this point I'll be surprised if it makes it to the end of the year as a talk station.
Blort said:
You may be correct in that all indications point in that direction; however, classic rock as a radio format does not perform as well today as it did 25-years ago. The demos are aging and the playlist tends to be very tight with fewer than 300-songs in the music library. This type programming is boring radio. While a classic rock format will be much less expensive to program, it also limits the target demos, agency buys and local retail advertising. A WFLA simulcast makes much more business sense as it brings the news-talk programing to FM to better compete against WDBO. WFLF-AM can later place more emphasis on news content or even become all news, at least during the daytime. This will give Clear Channel - Orlando a very competitive advantage in the market since no other station is providing any detailed news content although WDBO is making an attempt.
A valid prediction...
I am by no means an current/past professional (have worked in the biz) like many here are but the one thing that strikes me about the idea of 104.1 moving to WFLF-AM's lineup is that it would be a hard right shift in the stations political identity.
With its current setup, Talk (is there a more descriptive name for its current format?), while there are political leanings and opinions expressed it is not at all the focus of the station. For example I would say that Jim leans left, Bucket leaned right, the dude who I forget his name right now that shot at his wife/dog leaned right, and overall I would say that some have been decidedly apolitical like the Monsters. (Although it is clear that Dirty Jim does more than just lean right however the format of the show keeps him in check.)
However when you are going with a lineup that includes Beck and Limbaugh alone is going to be a very polarizing shift away from the middle. Would that be a good thing for CC to do for their bottom line? My gut says no but again I'm not a professional so take it for what it is worth.
With its current setup, Talk (is there a more descriptive name for its current format?), while there are political leanings and opinions expressed it is not at all the focus of the station. For example I would say that Jim leans left, Bucket leaned right, the dude who I forget his name right now that shot at his wife/dog leaned right, and overall I would say that some have been decidedly apolitical like the Monsters. (Although it is clear that Dirty Jim does more than just lean right however the format of the show keeps him in check.)
However when you are going with a lineup that includes Beck and Limbaugh alone is going to be a very polarizing shift away from the middle. Would that be a good thing for CC to do for their bottom line? My gut says no but again I'm not a professional so take it for what it is worth.
Yoshimon said:
Your agenda is quite obvious.
Jim is libertarian, Bucket & the Monsters lean very left. Dumping them for the current lineup on WFLF only means you can hear them on 104.1. The current identity of "Real Radio" disappears. That's it. Talk has enjoyed a very nice bottom line for years. Check your agenda...and your gut.
G
OK guys. I'd like to-have a little fun. Let's just say we could have any format we wanted on 104.1 I'd like to see something like the gen x formats on there. I love that music from that time period. Then drop in that real music weekends stuff. It's like a more powerful version of wprk almost. That would be cool Or maybe 104.1 the point like 101.5 the point was in Tampa but with waaaaaay more variety. Or 104.1 party like 95.3 party.
Just for the record, Clear Channel in the last year discontinued two FM Conservative Talk stations, leaving the format on AM only. It happened at KOGO San Diego, where the FM station went to Rhythmic Oldies. And it happened to KNST Tuscon, where the FM went Country. So I'm not sure Clear Channel is in the mood to simulcast its Conservative AM Talk station on an FM frequency in Orlando, even if the Cox Talk station moved to FM. If WTKS were to give up its Hot Talk format, I'd guess CC would just expand the weekend Classic Rock to seven days a week.
But there is one market where two FM Talk stations compete: Salt Lake City. Clear Channel's KNRS is on 570 AM and 105.7 FM. And Bonneville's KSL is heard on AM 1160 and FM 102.7. There's even another AM-FM Talk station in nearby Ogden, KLO, on AM 1430 and FM 103.1.
But there is one market where two FM Talk stations compete: Salt Lake City. Clear Channel's KNRS is on 570 AM and 105.7 FM. And Bonneville's KSL is heard on AM 1160 and FM 102.7. There's even another AM-FM Talk station in nearby Ogden, KLO, on AM 1430 and FM 103.1.
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Are you guys forgetting, WFLA is already simulcast on 104.5 FM which covers the entire metro. Not to mention, The Monsters are the top billing show in the market. They should just expand the Monsters ensemble to two day parts to cover Middays. Dirty Jim has proven he can carry a show on his own. Why not let he and SBK cover Middays?
MrRadio said:
While translator station W283AN (104.5) covers much of Orlando proper, 104.1 cover the entire MSA and TSA with 100kw which includes all of Central Florida, Orlando, Melbourne, Titusville, Cocoa Beach and Daytona Beach whereas W283AN does not cover anything outside or Orlando. So, for greatly improved ratings, bigger national agency buys and to have a better competitive advantage with a full market FM stick, it makes sense to move WFLF to 104.1 if any changes with WTKS are on the horizon.
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