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105.7 The Walrus

Being out of the business now I'll say thank you very much. I'll take what I can get these days.

I had KSON from 1985 to 2005, and picked up KBZT and KiFM in the 90's. We had the luxury of being able to get whatever equipment we asked for, and basically used 8200's and 8400's for all three. KSON had an 8500 when I left and was running AES to the stereo gen at the transmitter site. I was particularly proud of that station, but when you have the best gear it's easy to get a very good sound. The other thing I felt like I had going for me was the fact that I am a former professional musician and came up through programming as a jock and production manager, then finally into engineering, so my ears are geared to quality audio. Never was the best transmitter guy, but I always had the best transmitters so that didn't matter much.

As to oldies processing, it's an absolute pain to mix 60's music with 70's and 80's. The recording technology was hugely different between those eras, and the 60's stuff was mostly mixed for AM radio. There just isn't any combination that will make everything sound good, except for the whiz bang super secret stuff they do up at KRTH. "My Guy" may be Motown, but I remember it being a tad thin in the bottom. "Go Now" was recorded with so much distortion you just had to grit your teeth and hope the PD would eventually pull it. I was fortunate to spend an hour and a half in New Orleans at a radio show about 11 years ago with the one on one attention of Bob Orban. He agreed Oldies was the absolute hardest for processing on FM. (No engineers were there and I had his full attention. Incredibly knowledgeable guy, as is Foti and all the others that come up with this stuff. I'd still rather have Greg O looking over my shoulder though when the adjustments are open.)

If who is doing the Walrus I think is doing the Walrus, he'll get it right if Lynch will get him the gear. Remember that if they've been talk since they came on (and I was gone when that happened) then processing equipment would have been minimal and now they'll have to address that. You can only do so much for so little, then you have to spend some dough to get the rest of the 20% or so improvement. Now with everything being digitized and compressed, it makes it even harder to get it right.
 
As for Q-106 Garrett that was a custom built processor. It was built by Tom Cox, John Rigg, and Bill Thompson. Their credentials are without reproach. But as for Mary Wells' My Guy it has lots of bass when you are not using the Gawd Aweful piece of crap gold discs for source material. Bill Lipis and Mcmanus found on KCBQ oldies that when those would play, that they were noisy and had no bass. From my understanding after talking to former KBest djs that the gold discs were what they were using. The neat thing that Q-106 was using for playback, they were transferring directly from vinyl to Tomcat carts at 15 ips (which sounds awesome). Q-106 at Kearny Villa Rd may have been a genuine dump, but technically it sounded great. Y95 used am 8100A with an XT2 chassis. For oldies that is the best combination (even Bob Orban admits that).

But Bill Lipis will get it right for 105.7 because he is one of the best engineers in the country, he can take crap and make it great!
 
8100A with the Ariane in front sounds very good,better than the XT.But the newer boxes, namely the Omnia 6EXI,which our 60-80;s station runs and the Orban 8500 would be a good choice as well.Tweaked right,they will do the job and be much cleaner and better clarity than the older 8100A.You have to get under the hood and really know what you're doing with these boxes.We ran the 8100/xt before making the switch.
 
I had the Omnias in New Orleans and they can be made to play nicely, but they also seem to want to be more agressive by the nature of their architecture. I still prefer the Orban boxes but I also know them a lot better.
 
I did not care for the orban boxes after the 8100.haven't taken the 8500 for a test ride,but heard good things about it.i reallly like the 6exi,running it pretty open with a pre the famous cornelious gould of omnia and cleveland fame provided.he's a whiz on the 06.where were you in New Orleans? i worked a WTIX way back in 67-70.it was fun radio back then.i know cbs fm in NY runs the 8500 with an ariane in front,i;m sure for STL.Have you tried an Ariane?Like prisms on steriods.ha..awesome AGC
 
at one time they had jack williams modify an electrodyne limiter.later i think they had some dap 310's which made AM's jump out of the dash.There was some home brewed units back then"black boxes"a closely guarded airchain secret.
 
I've got to say that I've been spending several hours a day in the car this week and have listened a lot to The Walrus: they do have a pretty good music mix - or maybe I'm pushing the buttons less because they have no commercials :)

I'm not sure why they need jocks - it's just more clutter these days.
 
136kgb said:
But as for Mary Wells' My Guy it has lots of bass when you are not using the Gawd Aweful piece of crap gold discs for source material.

I still say the very best source for classic Motown hits is the "Motown Yesteryear" 45 series that were available right up to the early 90s. These were repressings of the original, mastered-for-AM singles, with the best EQ possible, but on much better vinyl than the original '60's issue 45s. Of course they're mono, mostly, but it's worth it for that full, phat sound. I've archived mine onto DVD-A for posterity.

- Doc
 
Bob_Hudson said:
I'm not sure why they need jocks - it's just more clutter these days.

Bob... from you of all people! ???

Heard Charlie Tuna lately?

Jocks aren't clutter. They're LIFE. Bad jocks are clutter. (Heard Joshua Escandon lately?)

- Doc
 
DoctorWu said:
Jocks aren't clutter. They're LIFE. Bad jocks are clutter. (Heard Joshua Escandon lately?)

- Doc

So that Duncan and Mel thing is not gonna happen?
 
DoctorWu said:
Bob_Hudson said:
I'm not sure why they need jocks - it's just more clutter these days.

Bob... from you of all people! ???

Heard Charlie Tuna lately?

Jocks aren't clutter. They're LIFE. Bad jocks are clutter. (Heard Joshua Escandon lately?)

- Doc


Very, very few jocks add entertainment value these days - 90% or more are simply filler. I have listened to The Walrus quite a lot since it started not once have I thought "gee, it would be nice to hear a disk jockey." Their recorded announcements do a wonderful job of ID'ing the station and setting the mood, so to speak, and with an oldies station there is no real need for someone to announce song titles.

iPods and satellite don't have jocks for the most part. XM's several oldies channels have some interesting special programs with jocks, but they do add something and not just banal banter with traffic reporters, which is pretty much the act of anyone outside of morning radio these days.

It's time for radio to break the old molds. Clear Channel tried voice-tracking as a way to cut talent costs, but really why not just eliminate a lot of even that and truly go for more music?
 
Well Bob, having been a jock before being an engineer, I would have to say that having a real live person is more entertaining than a voice track. Now that does come with a caveat. A real live person has to have the ability and blessing from the PD to be interesting. Let's use my buddy Halloran as an example. As a voice track he would be just another voice track, and probably not a particularly good one, but as Halloran he always has something interesting and entertaining to say. The show wouldn't be the same without him. I think that can go for Anya, Kimo, Kelly Cole and a host of others as well.

Now as to me being a jock, there was a reason I became an engineer, but if you put copy in front of me I could be one hell of a voice track.
 
I was fortunate enough to spend a bit of time with Bob Harlow and Bill Lipis last week(start your own rumor here), and both of them will do a fine job with The Walrus. They are both passionate about the format, the music, radio, radio's heritage and its future.
 
both of them will do a fine job with The Walrus.

Harley – it is good to see a post from you…There was a rumor floating around that you had joined the Army and had been killed in Iraq…Something now tells me that rumor is untrue….
 
Well,that goes both ways.i've been on both sides of that equation engineering vs programming.good ears and careful tweaking is what's needed.I've seen engineers and programmers with hearing losses, mostly high freq loss.That posting was in 2004,so does any one know for sure they are still using the vorsis..
 
whoops, my bad on that post date,seems it is very current.haven't heard the Vorsis,but postings go positive and negative on it.My station runs the Omnia 6EXI,very pleased with it.
 
menotti1 said:
whoops, my bad on that post date,seems it is very current.haven't heard the Vorsis,but postings go positive and negative on it.My station runs the Omnia 6EXI,very pleased with it.

I love the way KRTH sounds: nice crisp thumping bass that puts some energy into the sound. 105.7 has had mushy soft bass and very sharp high end which really grates when your turn it up.
 
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