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11 Alive - Going down the drain?

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teodoro1188

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Perhaps its just me, but has anyone else noticed the lowering of quality of nearly every aspect of 11 Alive's newscasts? It's not just "small market", its just plain bad. The graphics have gone down the drain, the music is horrendous, their newer talent is less than stellar, and the news they deliver is overly soft. What has happened? I used to love this station, but now I can barely stomach it. It looks like they still have amazing people working for them, but they are not being utilized to their full potential.

I really hope things change. They've lost me as a viewer for now.
 
Well for one thing you never know who's gonna be on the newscast. It changes all the time. I really don't care for Ted Hall's overly chatty delivery. Just give me the news please. I noticed this morning Steve Adaminson was doing the weather which is an improvement over the awful Chesley they seem to think we all like. He's just terrible. Hey Fred...Slow down when doing the sports. You talk way to fast and run your words and sentences together. Ok...I 've said my piece.
 
amlover said:
I noticed this morning Steve Adaminson was doing the weather which is an improvement over the awful Chesley they seem to think we all like.

I love Chesley! I think he is great!

If I had to choose between 11Alive or WSB ... 11Alive hands down. WSB, to me, is like listening and watching nails on a blackboard over, and over, and over again.

That is why I choose between 11Alive or CBS46 (which I know that most people on this board hates.)
 
It is very sad times at 11alive now. The changes that have been made have not been well received by the people at WXIA and certainly not with the viewers, as ratings continue to fall off at all times. I don't think there has been a more polarizing figure in recent Atlanta television history than Chesley McNeil. I am well aware a few defenders will pop up to defend WXIA and Chesley. However, the majority of viewers do not share that opinion and the declining ratings prove it.
 
notalkallstatic said:
amlover said:
I noticed this morning Steve Adaminson was doing the weather which is an improvement over the awful Chesley they seem to think we all like.

I love Chesley! I think he is great!

If I had to choose between 11Alive or WSB ... 11Alive hands down. WSB, to me, is like listening and watching nails on a blackboard over, and over, and over again.

That is why I choose between 11Alive or CBS46 (which I know that most people on this board hates.)

Like I said Channel 2 is my #1, but CBS ATLANTA NEWS isn't as bad as some may think. Not sure if Bill Gains and Stephany Fisher make the perfect duo, but they get to the news. Not going to mention the weather team since we all know the obvious. Gill Tyree is great at sports and I love his energy. The Better Mornings Atlanta show is great too after I watch the first 30minutes of WSB-TV. Channel 2, 5 and 11 repeat the same stories every 30minutes between 5am-7am.
 
teodoro1188 said:
Perhaps its just me, but has anyone else noticed the lowering of quality of nearly every aspect of 11 Alive's newscasts? It's not just "small market", its just plain bad. The graphics have gone down the drain, the music is horrendous, their newer talent is less than stellar, and the news they deliver is overly soft. What has happened? I used to love this station, but now I can barely stomach it. It looks like they still have amazing people working for them, but they are not being utilized to their full potential.

I really hope things change. They've lost me as a viewer for now.

The graphics and music are the same on all Gannett stations under corporate mandate thanks to CEO Greg Dubrow (WXIA's GM in the 90's that fired John Pruitt and Johnny Beckman). Gannett saves money by not having to pay royalties for the music (Gannett owns the copyright), and the graphics system makes it where a five-year-old can create graphics so that all of the local experienced graphic artists can be fired. The changes are beyond control of local WXIA/WATL management. (WAGA is also under the same corporate graphics/music mandate as well).

There are a few points to mention (that have already been mentioned over and over and over again like a broken record).

1. NO ONE can beat WSB-TV as long as John and Monica are still there. It sounds like WXIA/WATL management knows this, and are going the differentiation route (If they can't compete on par...they will offer an alternate product with unique qualities that will attract a different audience that does not like what the #1 station is doing).

2. It takes money to make money. Gannett (and News Corp and Meredith) are publicly traded companies, who have (greedy) shareholders that want their precious dividend every quarter. To pay out a bigger dividend, you need bigger profits. To get bigger profits, barring a change in other factors, you cut costs. The more you cut in costs, the bigger the profit. Simple ECON 101. On the other hand, Cox is private. They can take the money that would go to greedy shareholders, and invest in their product. Ever wonder why WSB-TV anchors go to Africa for specials? Cox's investment shows. They are able to keep Monica and John, because they have the resources to do whatever to keep them. Keep in mind the economic crisis has thrown somewhat of a kink in things, but not as much as one thinks. The shareholders of the public companies still want their $$$$$.

3. One victim of cost cutting is people cutting and resource cutting. They lost Flip Spiceland as a result. Former reporter Blair Meeks gave a speech accepting a regional Emmy just after he quit WXIA explaining that he quit because Gannett was putting profits first. A host of others, including WAGA's Doug Richards (who has a great blog about Atlanta TV news at liveapartmentfire.com), WGCL's Rich Noonan, and a host of others have thrown in the towel and quit (Noonan was actually fired, but he quit the industry as a result). WXIA now has its reporters shooting video (including Jon Shriek, who has been with WXIA since 1980), and also has made their website producers on-air reporters as well (Michael King and Chris Swiggert).

4. The concept WXIA and the other Gannett stations are doing is designed for the Web 2.0 world we live in now (Facebook, MySpace, Twitter) where interactivity is a must. All forms of old media must harness the power of the internet in today's world. WSB-TV still hasn't fully embraced the blog yet (althought they are on Twitter and Facebook). WXIA even has gone to the extreme of webcasting their news meetings for everyone (including competetors) to see, and even taking suggestions from viewers during the meeting. It seems to me that WXIA is listening to their audience...while WSB-TV is listening to the research and the tradition.

5. The average age of the audience is in their 60's. Sad but true. Older audiences develop a loyalty to certain things, and in the case of TV news it is WSB-TV. WSB-TV could make whatever changes they want, and still have their audience. If the audience is so loyal, they could potentially replace the news with kittens playing with yarn and still be #1. So, if so successful, why change? No reason to mess with success. WXIA and the others have to try to play catch up. WXIA, even with the resource limitations they have, has decided to listen to their audience, and create the product they created.

It is a complicated formula that involves many things. At least Atlanta has choices for news. Consolidation has caused many markets to go with only one or two news options.
 
Many people will tell you Atlanta is a very transient city. People are moving in and out all the time. I would have thought that this would have made the market much more competitive with both TV and radio. I have tried to watch WSB News and just plain find it boring. And if I see that helicopter breaking news logo one more time over a two car fender bender on the interstate or a burning apartment building I will scream. I'm not saying 11 is great, I just find it much more watchable to me.
 
Ok, I am frustrated about something else. Every night at the end of the last primetime show around 10:59 pm, NBC shows previews for the next week's episode. However, 11alive switching dumps out early from the promo. If they were going to the news, that probably would be ok. However, it looks like they are trying to get in the last 30 second local commercial before the news. Are they really hurting that bad for money? Sometimes it is their own station promo.

It really made me mad last week when trying to watch "Celebrity Apprentice". I wanted to see the promo to determine what will happen with Joan and Melissa Rivers next week after all the cat fighting this week. But of course, 11alive dropped early.

WHY????
 
tlyle, I have been saying the same thing about 11 cutting out of the network early. The did it Thursday night during Southland and Sunday during Celebrity Apprentice.
 
tlyle said:
Ok, I am frustrated about something else. Every night at the end of the last primetime show around 10:59 pm, NBC shows previews for the next week's episode. However, 11alive switching dumps out early from the promo. If they were going to the news, that probably would be ok. However, it looks like they are trying to get in the last 30 second local commercial before the news. Are they really hurting that bad for money? Sometimes it is their own station promo.

It really made me mad last week when trying to watch "Celebrity Apprentice". I wanted to see the promo to determine what will happen with Joan and Melissa Rivers next week after all the cat fighting this week. But of course, 11alive dropped early.

WHY????

That's just poor switching on behave of 11Alive's Master Control...Oh Wait! They don't have a master control, it's a HUB, so probably the operator is hundreds of miles from Atlanta, and is paying attention to more than one station, so doesn't really know that there is a problem, until an alarm goes off.

When I worked at a local NBC (not here in Atlanta,) we always had a clean cut away (30 second promo/commercial than news.)

(if you can't tell by now, I'm very Anti-HUB)
 
notalkallstatic said:
That's just poor switching on behave of 11Alive's Master Control...Oh Wait! They don't have a master control, it's a HUB, so probably the operator is hundreds of miles from Atlanta, and is paying attention to more than one station, so doesn't really know that there is a problem, until an alarm goes off.

When I worked at a local NBC (not here in Atlanta,) we always had a clean cut away (30 second promo/commercial than news.)

(if you can't tell by now, I'm very Anti-HUB)

They're not a hub... yet. I'm not sure of WXIA's prime. The first time I saw this was with WGCL's prime, especially after CSI:Miami/New York. If there's a new show next week, there's always a bump with Caruso/Sinese saying "stay tuned for scenes from our next episode". You wait all the way through the break, see the Letterman promo, then the news starts and COVERS THE TEASE!!!!!! I absolutely, positively HATE that!

I'm sure "research" has "proven" that this beats the "channel flippers", but if the loyal viewers of the lead-in are the key drive to ratings feel the same way I do, then they're losing more viewers than gaining.
 
I called the station and spoke to a lady in master control. She was working on the night one of the mistakes happened. She did not understand how there could be a mistake... this was the night Southland was shown and they cut away in the middle of the previews for next week. She was quick to point out that she does not work Sunday night and someone else did the Apprentice mistake. She went on to say they have been having trouble with traffic and they are listing the times incorrectly.
 
amlover said:
I noticed this morning Steve Adaminson was doing the weather which is an improvement over the awful Chesley they seem to think we all like.

I think Chesley is okay, although, I'm up and out so early that I rarely get to see him.

Steve Adamson seems like a nice guy, but he can't seem to do a weather report without saying "Hi folks, I'm Meteorologist Steve Adamson...".

I guess all radio and TV people have their "crutches".
 
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