When I was vacationing in Chicago few weeks ago, I was surprised that everything is 1 hour earlier than Eastern and Pacific time zone. I know the late news starts at 10pm instead of 11pm. Are there any 11pm newscast in the Central or Mountain time zone? I tend to watch news late around 11ish, but being in Chicago, if I missed the 10pm news, then I have to wait until the next morning for the next newscast.
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11 PM Newscast in Central and Mountain Time Zone
- Thread starter e-dawg
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There use to be here in Minneapolis
KSTP 5 (ABC) use to have a 11:00 news after Nightline (and delayed Kimmel) at 11:02 or so but now with the changes they just have an hour newscast from 10-11.
Central Time for broadcasting is always an hour behind (hence the old "8PM 7 Central" promos for show times)
As for news with Leno and Letterman starting at 10:35 there usually isnt any 11PM newscasts on ABC, CBS or NBC. Fox is usually at 9 if there is a newscast
KSTP 5 (ABC) use to have a 11:00 news after Nightline (and delayed Kimmel) at 11:02 or so but now with the changes they just have an hour newscast from 10-11.
Central Time for broadcasting is always an hour behind (hence the old "8PM 7 Central" promos for show times)
As for news with Leno and Letterman starting at 10:35 there usually isnt any 11PM newscasts on ABC, CBS or NBC. Fox is usually at 9 if there is a newscast
e-dawg said:
Usually just 1AM-ish replays of the 10.
Eastern/Central (except in rare cases) air together. That's why you might see an promo or ad say "8/7 Central". The known exception has been NBC's tennis which might start at 10AM "in all time zones". I'm not sure Eastern and Pacific tend to have the same schedules, but they do.
Until the late '70's, WAPI-13 (now WVTM) in Birmingham aired their late newscast at 11:00. This was a holdover from their days as a dual NBC/CBS affiliate, when they would air an additional network program from 10-11 (usually either a drama or a variety show). Even after becoming an exclusive NBC affiliate in '70, they continued this programming strategy for several years.
The only times (that I can recall, anyway) when late local news was delayed until 11:00 was when Monday Night Football (on ABC at the time) delayed ABC local affiliate newscasts to around 11:00 p.m. Also, CBS affiliates are usually delayed in getting late local news on the air on Sunday nights due to football delays from earlier in the day. (I can't help but think that the channels whose newscasts are delayed are at a disadvantage in competing with the others, because if you want local news, you are going to tune in to the station that is carrying it on time, not delayed, even if it is by something that is beyond their control.)
It is interesting to note that our NBC (WSMV) and CBS (Newschannel5) affiliates here in Nashville replay the 6:00 p.m. local news at 9:00 p.m. on their subchannels (TNN and Newschannel5+, respectively). Apparently, this is their way of competing with Fox 17 news at 9:00. (If Fox is carrying baseball, then I watch one of those 9:00 p.m. replays.)
It is interesting to note that our NBC (WSMV) and CBS (Newschannel5) affiliates here in Nashville replay the 6:00 p.m. local news at 9:00 p.m. on their subchannels (TNN and Newschannel5+, respectively). Apparently, this is their way of competing with Fox 17 news at 9:00. (If Fox is carrying baseball, then I watch one of those 9:00 p.m. replays.)
Pat Cook said:You're surprised by THIS ??e-dawg said:10 PM is the norm for the late local news
What rock have you been hiding under all this time?
Cheers & 73 ;D
I've never lived in either Mountain or Central time zones, but for decades, the networks have been announcing shows as, "Tonight at 10:00, 9:00 Central..." or whatever. How is this a surprise to anybody?
What I had always heard was that we (here in the central time zone) are (more) made up of farming communities than the east coasters (thus we must get up earlier in the morning), so we get our programming "earlier." However, I suspect that the real reason is that no one ever bothered to set up a separate satellite feed for those of us in the "heartland," therefore, we get our programming "earlier" than the easterners do. While I have never lived or worked on a farm, I appreciate not having to stay up quite as late for the same programming, as I have never really been a "morning person."
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Well before you went to Chicago, when DID you think the late news would typically come on there? Did you really think the late news comes on at 11:00 PM regardless of time zone? Seriously?Lkeller said:Pat Cook said:You're surprised by THIS ??e-dawg said:
What rock have you been hiding under all this time?
Cheers & 73 ;D
I've never lived in either Mountain or Central time zones, but for decades, the networks have been announcing shows as, "Tonight at 10:00, 9:00 Central..." or whatever. How is this a surprise to anybody?
:Cheers & 73 ;D
firepoint525 said:
That's it. But while the technology exists to put the Central time zone on the Eastern schedule, folks out there are used to network news at 5:30, primetime at 7, and Leno and Letterman at 10:35. Putting them on an hour later might be a tough sale.
However, isn't Canada on a clock-time schedule (except for Newfoundland, which is 90 minutes ahead of Eastern and 30 minutes ahead of Atlantic time)? I believe Peter Mansbridge is on at 10 (10:30 in Newfoundland) in all time zones, even though he does the broadcast live in Toronto at 9 local time and is seen an hour later in Ontario and Quebec.
And just for the record, the West Coast follows the Central time zone during the day ("Let's Make A Deal" is on at either 9 AM or 2 PM depending on the market; "Young And The Restless" is on at 11:30 in LA but 11 AM everywhere else), but the Eastern time zone at night. What used to be called access time is 7-8 PM; prime time is 8-11, and Leno, Letterman, and Kimmel air at 11:35. LA makes the changeover at 6:30, as it's the only Pacific market where all three network newscasts air at that time (5:30 or 6 is more normal elsewhere), but at 7 Pacific stations are doing the same sorts of things East Coast stations are doing at that time.
This goes back to the Golden Age Of Radio, where all network shows were live and the major evening network shows were heard between 7 and 11 P.M. Eastern time, 6 to 10 Central.
Many network radio shows during that period were done live twice: Once for the Eastern and Central time zones; then there hours later for the West Coast. Freeman Gosden and Charles Correll, the creators and stars of "Amos 'N Andy", were among the first to do this. They began doing a second live broadcast after the timeslot of their show was changed to 7 to 7:15 P.M. EDT/EST, which mean that in California, the show would be heard from 4 to 4:15 P.M., before many people were home from work. Freeman and Correll decided to do each night's show live a second time from 7 to 7:15 P.M. Pacific time.
"Amos 'N Andy" originated from Chicago for most of the 1930's before moving to Hollywood, so the two feeds were at 6 and 9 P.M. local. Once the show moved West, the two feeds were at 4 and 7 P.M. local.
I suspect that during radio's "Golden Age", Mountain time zone stations carried some East Coast feeds and some West Coast feeds in a jumbled schedule. I believe that for many years, until videotape delay centers were set-up at major Mountain time zone TV stations, prime-time TV in the Rockies ran from 5:30 to 9 P.M., although some stations may have gotten prints of filmed network shows to carry between 9 and 10 P.M. local.
Today of course, prime-time in the Mountain time zone runs 7 to 10 P.M. MDT/MST (but what about Arizona in the Summer?!?!??)
Many network radio shows during that period were done live twice: Once for the Eastern and Central time zones; then there hours later for the West Coast. Freeman Gosden and Charles Correll, the creators and stars of "Amos 'N Andy", were among the first to do this. They began doing a second live broadcast after the timeslot of their show was changed to 7 to 7:15 P.M. EDT/EST, which mean that in California, the show would be heard from 4 to 4:15 P.M., before many people were home from work. Freeman and Correll decided to do each night's show live a second time from 7 to 7:15 P.M. Pacific time.
"Amos 'N Andy" originated from Chicago for most of the 1930's before moving to Hollywood, so the two feeds were at 6 and 9 P.M. local. Once the show moved West, the two feeds were at 4 and 7 P.M. local.
I suspect that during radio's "Golden Age", Mountain time zone stations carried some East Coast feeds and some West Coast feeds in a jumbled schedule. I believe that for many years, until videotape delay centers were set-up at major Mountain time zone TV stations, prime-time TV in the Rockies ran from 5:30 to 9 P.M., although some stations may have gotten prints of filmed network shows to carry between 9 and 10 P.M. local.
Today of course, prime-time in the Mountain time zone runs 7 to 10 P.M. MDT/MST (but what about Arizona in the Summer?!?!??)
Also in most of radio's golden age, you couldn't use recorded music. Every show had it's own "house band" and singers. This made two shows a must considering how far signals carried, it would've made no sense to do one show for Eastern and one show for Central, because powerhouses like WLW were close enough to the time zone border to be picked up in CST.
Bing Crosby was one of the first stars to be able to "break" the union rules and use recorded music.
Bing Crosby was one of the first stars to be able to "break" the union rules and use recorded music.
bpatrick said:
Especially to stations. HUT levels drop precipitously after 11. We do the same thing the rest of the country does (I'm in Arizona)....watch the late news, catch the Leno/Letterman/Kimmel monologue and hit the hay. And 11 is plenty late.
Joseph_Gallant said:
It stays the same.
Joseph_Gallant said:
As was noted, the local stations always follow the 7PM-10PM model (or 659PM-10PM to squeeze in an extra minute of local ad time when they record the East Coast feeds for playback. What drives most folks bonkers are the cable feeds, which -- aside from the 24 hour news channels -- are increasingly PT. That can be quite a challenge for those who get sleepy @10PM in the winter, when west coast prime time on cable runs 9PM-12AM Arizona Time. For example, a 10PM show on USA airs at 10PM in Arizona for most of the year, but between November and March, it airs @11PM in Arizona.
Another weird anomaly is that since you get taped versions of the East Coast feeds, you also get "over-run" notices, which of course don't apply. (I also get this in Sacramento, as the local CBS station still uses the 7-10PM model, taping the East Coast feed since they start an hour sooner than CBS West Coast feed). On Sundays in the winter, you will get banners on the bottom of the screen during 60 Minutes telling you that "The Amazing Race starts @822PM/722PM", which of course it did in the eastern half of the country. But it airs at normal times out west.
SanDiegoInExile said:
There's also a split-city market that is in both Arizona and California: DMA 165, the Yuma-El Centro market. All of the major stations run on Arizona time and have 10pm newscasts year-round (in the winter, El Centro viewers get primetime from 6 to 9).
Pat Cook said:Well before you went to Chicago, when DID you think the late news would typically come on there? Did you really think the late news comes on at 11:00 PM regardless of time zone? Seriously?Lkeller said:Pat Cook said:You're surprised by THIS ??e-dawg said:
What rock have you been hiding under all this time?
Cheers & 73 ;D
I've never lived in either Mountain or Central time zones, but for decades, the networks have been announcing shows as, "Tonight at 10:00, 9:00 Central..." or whatever. How is this a surprise to anybody?
Cheers & 73 ;D
Yes, I was aware of Central Time Zone Prime time, but it just a habit for me to watch news around 11pm. When I was up in Calgary (Mountain Time Zone). It was convenient for me to watch late news at 11pm and I know the Spokane stations runs around 12M in Alberta, but it was hard to adjust the prime time programs and watching late news an hour early, even when I was out at night in Chicago, I got back around 10:30ish and missed the local news, due to late news starts at 10pm. What about having news around 11pm for people who are up late?
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