11 PM Newscast in Central and Mountain Time Zone

[Markxxx]

This is an example of what's known in psychology as an "imprinting syndrome."

Named as such because it's similar to how baby ducks and geese will "imprint" on the first thing they see after birth. Which is why you have YouTube videos of baby ducks thinking cats and dogs are their mothers...

Reseach shows people favour whatever they first grow up with. So if you grew up in the Central Time Zone, you like Prime Time at 7pm. Much like computers, people who start on an Apple system favour Apple computers over PCs. People who start with Linux favour that model and so on.

 

[nomadcowatbk]

Do people in the west coast like watching football games at 10 AM?

 

[michael hagerty]

When I was vacationing in Chicago few weeks ago, I was surprised that everything is 1 hour earlier than Eastern and Pacific time zone. I know the late news starts at 10pm instead of 11pm. Are there any 11pm newscast in the Central or Mountain time zone? I tend to watch news late around 11ish, but being in Chicago, if I missed the 10pm news, then I have to wait until the next morning for the next newscast.

You're surprised by THIS ?? 10 PM is the norm for the late local news

What rock have you been hiding under all this time?

Cheers & 73 ;D

I've never lived in either Mountain or Central time zones, but for decades, the networks have been announcing shows as, "Tonight at 10:00, 9:00 Central..." or whatever. How is this a surprise to anybody?

Well before you went to Chicago, when DID you think the late news would typically come on there? Did you really think the late news comes on at 11:00 PM regardless of time zone? Seriously? :

Cheers & 73 ;D

Yes, I was aware of Central Time Zone Prime time, but it just a habit for me to watch news around 11pm. When I was up in Calgary (Mountain Time Zone). It was convenient for me to watch late news at 11pm and I know the Spokane stations runs around 12M in Alberta, but it was hard to adjust the prime time programs and watching late news an hour early, even when I was out at night in Chicago, I got back around 10:30ish and missed the local news, due to late news starts at 10pm. What about having news around 11pm for people who are up late?

Lower HUT levels mean those newscasts would have to charge significantly less for advertising than if they ran (and even trailed in the ratings) at 10.

 

[michael hagerty]

Do people in the west coast like watching football games at 10 AM?

It's an excuse to eat and drink early.

 

[K6JHU]

But think of the West Coast advantage of Monday Nigth Football

 

[nelsonincharlotte]

Today of course, prime-time in the Mountain time zone runs 7 to 10 P.M. MDT/MST (but what about Arizona in the Summer?!?!??)

As was noted, the local stations always follow the 7PM-10PM model (or 659PM-10PM to squeeze in an extra minute of local ad time when they record the East Coast feeds for playback. What drives most folks bonkers are the cable feeds, which -- aside from the 24 hour news channels -- are increasingly PT. That can be quite a challenge for those who get sleepy @10PM in the winter, when west coast prime time on cable runs 9PM-12AM Arizona Time. For example, a 10PM show on USA airs at 10PM in Arizona for most of the year, but between November and March, it airs @11PM in Arizona.

Another weird anomaly is that since you get taped versions of the East Coast feeds, you also get "over-run" notices, which of course don't apply. (I also get this in Sacramento, as the local CBS station still uses the 7-10PM model, taping the East Coast feed since they start an hour sooner than CBS West Coast feed). On Sundays in the winter, you will get banners on the bottom of the screen during 60 Minutes telling you that "The Amazing Race starts @822PM/722PM", which of course it did in the eastern half of the country. But it airs at normal times out west.

There's also a split-city market that is in both Arizona and California: DMA 165, the Yuma-El Centro market. All of the major stations run on Arizona time and have 10pm newscasts year-round (in the winter, El Centro viewers get primetime from 6 to 9).

I believe a few counties in Kansas and North Dakota that are on Mountain Time get 6-9 primetime year round (since their DMA is in Central Time), according to Wikipedia.

 

[michael hagerty]

But think of the West Coast advantage of Monday Nigth Football

Having lived my entire life in the West, it's a major advantage. Very few games keep us from getting a full night's sleep before work. 10AM football games seem normal...always been that way for us.

 

[nelsonincharlotte]

But think of the West Coast advantage of Monday Nigth Football

Having lived my entire life in the West, it's a major advantage. Very few games keep us from getting a full night's sleep before work. 10AM football games seem normal...always been that way for us.

I go to church every Sunday and don't get out til noon so those 10 am NFL games would be a pain...but must be nice having SNF and MNF end around 8:30-9:00.

 

[firepoint525]

What I had always heard was that we (here in the central time zone) are (more) made up of farming communities than the east coasters (thus we must get up earlier in the morning), so we get our programming "earlier." However, I suspect that the real reason is that no one ever bothered to set up a separate satellite feed for those of us in the "heartland," therefore, we get our programming "earlier" than the easterners do. While I have never lived or worked on a farm, I appreciate not having to stay up quite as late for the same programming, as I have never really been a "morning person."

That's it. But while the technology exists to put the Central time zone on the Eastern schedule, folks out there are used to network news at 5:30, primetime at 7, and Leno and Letterman at 10:35. Putting them on an hour later might be a tough sale.
However, isn't Canada on a clock-time schedule (except for Newfoundland, which is 90 minutes ahead of Eastern and 30 minutes ahead of Atlantic time)? I believe Peter Mansbridge is on at 10 (10:30 in Newfoundland) in all time zones, even though he does the broadcast live in Toronto at 9 local time and is seen an hour later in Ontario and Quebec.

I have commented on this many times, but when WPSD channel 6 in Paducah delayed Saturday Night Live by an hour for close to 20 years (!), that clock that you would see during the monologue would often be the actual time that we (in that backwards, backwoods Paducah market) were seeing SNL. By the time that they stopped delaying it, I had either lost interest in the show entirely, or moved here to Nashville.

 

[michael hagerty]

But think of the West Coast advantage of Monday Nigth Football

Having lived my entire life in the West, it's a major advantage. Very few games keep us from getting a full night's sleep before work. 10AM football games seem normal...always been that way for us.

I go to church every Sunday and don't get out til noon so those 10 am NFL games would be a pain...but must be nice having SNF and MNF end around 8:30-9:00.

I haven't watched MNF in years...wrapup was usually between 9:30 and 10.

As for church, a lot of them offer early Sunday morning services (and even Saturday evening). And in the West, church attendance has been in decline for decades.

 

[formeraa]

And, then, of course there's Hawaii and Alaska where live football games start an hour or two earlier than the West Coast!

@e-dawg, the late news is at 10pm in Hawaii.

 

[bpatrick]

What I had always heard was that we (here in the central time zone) are (more) made up of farming communities than the east coasters (thus we must get up earlier in the morning), so we get our programming "earlier." However, I suspect that the real reason is that no one ever bothered to set up a separate satellite feed for those of us in the "heartland," therefore, we get our programming "earlier" than the easterners do. While I have never lived or worked on a farm, I appreciate not having to stay up quite as late for the same programming, as I have never really been a "morning person."

That's it. But while the technology exists to put the Central time zone on the Eastern schedule, folks out there are used to network news at 5:30, primetime at 7, and Leno and Letterman at 10:35. Putting them on an hour later might be a tough sale.
However, isn't Canada on a clock-time schedule (except for Newfoundland, which is 90 minutes ahead of Eastern and 30 minutes ahead of Atlantic time)? I believe Peter Mansbridge is on at 10 (10:30 in Newfoundland) in all time zones, even though he does the broadcast live in Toronto at 9 local time and is seen an hour later in Ontario and Quebec.

I have commented on this many times, but when WPSD channel 6 in Paducah delayed Saturday Night Live by an hour for close to 20 years (!), that clock that you would see during the monologue would often be the actual time that we (in that backwards, backwoods Paducah market) were seeing SNL. By the time that they stopped delaying it, I had either lost interest in the show entirely, or moved here to Nashville.

But remember, you were watching "SNL" on a one-hour delay in Paducah, so it would have been the same time as on that clock. In Nashville, you would have seen the same show at 10:30, so you'd have to mentally adjust that clock (on New York time) to Nashville time. If U.S. networks used a clock-time schedule, "SNL" would be on at 11:30 everywhere and you would have no issues with the clock.

 

[bpatrick]

Today of course, prime-time in the Mountain time zone runs 7 to 10 P.M. MDT/MST (but what about Arizona in the Summer?!?!??)

As was noted, the local stations always follow the 7PM-10PM model (or 659PM-10PM to squeeze in an extra minute of local ad time when they record the East Coast feeds for playback. What drives most folks bonkers are the cable feeds, which -- aside from the 24 hour news channels -- are increasingly PT. That can be quite a challenge for those who get sleepy @10PM in the winter, when west coast prime time on cable runs 9PM-12AM Arizona Time. For example, a 10PM show on USA airs at 10PM in Arizona for most of the year, but between November and March, it airs @11PM in Arizona.

Another weird anomaly is that since you get taped versions of the East Coast feeds, you also get "over-run" notices, which of course don't apply. (I also get this in Sacramento, as the local CBS station still uses the 7-10PM model, taping the East Coast feed since they start an hour sooner than CBS West Coast feed). On Sundays in the winter, you will get banners on the bottom of the screen during 60 Minutes telling you that "The Amazing Race starts @822PM/722PM", which of course it did in the eastern half of the country. But it airs at normal times out west.

You'll note that during the second game of CBS's NFL doubleheaders, the announcers will say that "60 Minutes" is "coming up next except on the West Coast, where it will be seen at its regular time." Those games end usually between 4 and 4:30 on the West Coast, so "60 Minutes" always airs out there at 7.

Going back to the rebroadcast of live radio shows for the West, it was a killer day if your show aired at 9 PM or later in the East. At one time Fred Allen was on at 9 on Wednesday nights; he had to repeat the show for the West at midnight (ET). Sometimes the casts of these shows would repair to a bar between the two shows and never remember doing the second one.
Also, some game shows, like "People Are Funny," used the same stunts but different contestants on the second show.

One exception was "Major Bowes' Amateur Hour." Given the nature of the show, with the listener-voting gimmick and the fact that some acts got gonged, there was no choice but to air the show live in all time zones. He thus aired on Thursdays at 9 (ET)/6 (PT), and CBS's West Coast affiliates had to work around that.

Perhaps fortunately, the advent of audiotape (Crosby and Groucho were the first to utilize it) put an end to the problem of doing a show twice.

And even after the coaxial cable linked the two coasts, you might see Ed Sullivan on Sunday at 5 in some Pacific markets and at 8 in others. I know "Arthur Godfrey's Talent Scouts" (Monday 8:30 ET) aired at 5:30 in San Francisco and 8:30 in Los Angeles.
Lawrence Welk (who's the subject of another thread) aired live on KABC Saturdays at 6 into the 1960s, while XETV, then the ABC affiliate in San Diego, would air him at 9.

 

[firepoint525]

What I had always heard was that we (here in the central time zone) are (more) made up of farming communities than the east coasters (thus we must get up earlier in the morning), so we get our programming "earlier." However, I suspect that the real reason is that no one ever bothered to set up a separate satellite feed for those of us in the "heartland," therefore, we get our programming "earlier" than the easterners do. While I have never lived or worked on a farm, I appreciate not having to stay up quite as late for the same programming, as I have never really been a "morning person."

That's it. But while the technology exists to put the Central time zone on the Eastern schedule, folks out there are used to network news at 5:30, primetime at 7, and Leno and Letterman at 10:35. Putting them on an hour later might be a tough sale.
However, isn't Canada on a clock-time schedule (except for Newfoundland, which is 90 minutes ahead of Eastern and 30 minutes ahead of Atlantic time)? I believe Peter Mansbridge is on at 10 (10:30 in Newfoundland) in all time zones, even though he does the broadcast live in Toronto at 9 local time and is seen an hour later in Ontario and Quebec.

I have commented on this many times, but when WPSD channel 6 in Paducah delayed Saturday Night Live by an hour for close to 20 years (!), that clock that you would see during the monologue would often be the actual time that we (in that backwards, backwoods Paducah market) were seeing SNL. By the time that they stopped delaying it, I had either lost interest in the show entirely, or moved here to Nashville.

But remember, you were watching "SNL" on a one-hour delay in Paducah, so it would have been the same time as on that clock. In Nashville, you would have seen the same show at 10:30, so you'd have to mentally adjust that clock (on New York time) to Nashville time. If U.S. networks used a clock-time schedule, "SNL" would be on at 11:30 everywhere and you would have no issues with the clock.

No mental adjustment to it. I wanted backwards Paducah to show it on time, but for the first 20 years or so, they never did. They even delayed it on Miss America night (the Saturday after Labor Day back then) when they were already running an hour late! This from the same TV station that signed off at 12:30 after Letterman, rather than stay on the extra half-hour to show Bob Costas. (I believe that they were indeed showing SNL at 10:30 on Saturday nights by the time I moved away from there, because I remember their announcement to that effect.) SNL was cool back then, but not always worth sitting through Crook & Chase and reruns of Mama's Family first! The VCR helped put an end to that!

 

[KML0224]

What about newscasts in Arizona when Phoenix and Tucson are on Mountain Standard Time, like they are now? Is there an early newscast for the Yuma (AZ)/El Centro (CA) DMA? It must be a pain the weekend the clock goes back in early November, since the El Centro half of the market will be an hour behind Yuma afterwards!

 

[ShawnHill1]

Do people in the west coast like watching football games at 10 AM?

It's an excuse to eat and drink early.

I don't mind it myself, and I grew up in both the Central and Pacific time zones. I usually get up in time for the CBS and Fox pregame show at 9, then watch the games at 10 (depending on the matchup, I may find something to watch, or head out of the house on errands or church). Often, I find myself sometimes "burned-out" from football by the time the Sunday Night game hits the air, but if I'm home during the daytime games, I'll nap.

 

[nomadcowatbk]

But think of the West Coast advantage of Monday Nigth Football

It's Rush Hour Football there