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1134 Croatia: my 1st trans atlantic!

radioman148 said:
Icangelp said:
Thanks, Kilocat7.

Last night, at about 9:00pm EST I started monitoring 1134 KHZ while also listening to the internet feed.

I don't have my notes, but sometime around 9:20 I began hearing audio of a woman's voice. The audio was very weak and faded in and out, but by 10:45 or so I could hear a man and a woman plus a couple of musical breaks thrown in. On the internet feed, they switched to english and the news at 10:00 pm EST. I believe I heard about 30 seconds to a minute of the news in english. I say this because at the time 1130 was playing music and 1140 was airing Savage. The audio was never available for long stretches, and at points I could only hear a 'het'. Had an early wake-up, so I shut down by about 10:15.

Shreveport's 1130 signal was extremely strong last night (stayed in non-directional after sunset?), with their music often covering 1134. I can't null KWKH because it is in the line of draw. On the other side, 1140 Richmand was not on its game and nulled.

I didn't get an I.D. because the signal wasn't strong around the top of the hour. That was the time on the internet feed they mentioned Radio Croatia in English, so I'm not putting it down as an official catch.

Just the same, I've been DXing since 1959, though with lapses and often under-equipped, and for me this is the first trans-atlantic heard from a midwest site!

My equipment was my Drake R8B on the 4 & 2.8 filters and some passband tuning going on, coupled with a Wellbrook ALA 1530+ directed slightly east of north.

I too tried last night and noticed that KWKH was stronger than usual--way over WISN and I'm only 60 miles south of Milwaukee. Still haven't heard Croatia.

I wasn't able to pick it up last night.

I have a semi-related question, regarding sunspots. I know they have an effect on SW bands, but do they help or hinder MW DXing? Things have been quite, but there's apparently a sunspot forming right now (on the 'far' side of the sun), which will be facing our direction on the 20th. Info could be helpful in our DX quest!

~BG
 
Tincap said:
radioman148 said:
Icangelp said:
Thanks, Kilocat7.

Last night, at about 9:00pm EST I started monitoring 1134 KHZ while also listening to the internet feed.

I don't have my notes, but sometime around 9:20 I began hearing audio of a woman's voice. The audio was very weak and faded in and out, but by 10:45 or so I could hear a man and a woman plus a couple of musical breaks thrown in. On the internet feed, they switched to english and the news at 10:00 pm EST. I believe I heard about 30 seconds to a minute of the news in english. I say this because at the time 1130 was playing music and 1140 was airing Savage. The audio was never available for long stretches, and at points I could only hear a 'het'. Had an early wake-up, so I shut down by about 10:15.

Shreveport's 1130 signal was extremely strong last night (stayed in non-directional after sunset?), with their music often covering 1134. I can't null KWKH because it is in the line of draw. On the other side, 1140 Richmand was not on its game and nulled.

I didn't get an I.D. because the signal wasn't strong around the top of the hour. That was the time on the internet feed they mentioned Radio Croatia in English, so I'm not putting it down as an official catch.

Just the same, I've been DXing since 1959, though with lapses and often under-equipped, and for me this is the first trans-atlantic heard from a midwest site!

My equipment was my Drake R8B on the 4 & 2.8 filters and some passband tuning going on, coupled with a Wellbrook ALA 1530+ directed slightly east of north.

I too tried last night and noticed that KWKH was stronger than usual--way over WISN and I'm only 60 miles south of Milwaukee. Still haven't heard Croatia.

I wasn't able to pick it up last night.

I have a semi-related question, regarding sunspots. I know they have an effect on SW bands, but do they help or hinder MW DXing? Things have been quite, but there's apparently a sunspot forming right now (on the 'far' side of the sun), which will be facing our direction on the 20th. Info could be helpful in our DX quest!

~BG

It's my understanding that at the low end of the sunspot cycle MW DXing improves. Someone else may have more to add.
 
radioman148 said:
Tincap said:
I wasn't able to pick it up last night.

I have a semi-related question, regarding sunspots. I know they have an effect on SW bands, but do they help or hinder MW DXing? Things have been quite, but there's apparently a sunspot forming right now (on the 'far' side of the sun), which will be facing our direction on the 20th. Info could be helpful in our DX quest!

~BG

It's my understanding that at the low end of the sunspot cycle MW DXing improves. Someone else may have more to add.

So we're in a pretty sweet spot then, given that we're at the bottom of Cycle 23, eh?

BTW, Croatia is coming in on 1134 right now, if folks want to try and try to catch it. Woman announcer, Russian programme. Much easier to catch while she's speaking between the music, she has a nice base tone. I'm using my DX-440, with internal antenna.

~BG
 
WOW!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: That's amazing, and over 5000 miles too!

-crainbebo
 
crainbebo said:
WOW!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: That's amazing, and over 5000 miles too!

-crainbebo

Ya, pretty nice into central Europe like that. You sir, must be able to make some catches from Japan or Korea???

~BG
 
Tincap said:
radioman148 said:
Tincap said:
I wasn't able to pick it up last night.

I have a semi-related question, regarding sunspots. I know they have an effect on SW bands, but do they help or hinder MW DXing? Things have been quite, but there's apparently a sunspot forming right now (on the 'far' side of the sun), which will be facing our direction on the 20th. Info could be helpful in our DX quest!

~BG


It's my understanding that at the low end of the sunspot cycle MW DXing improves. Someone else may have more to add.

So we're in a pretty sweet spot then, given that we're at the bottom of Cycle 23, eh?

BTW, Croatia is coming in on 1134 right now, if folks want to try and try to catch it. Woman announcer, Russian programme. Much easier to catch while she's speaking between the music, she has a nice base tone. I'm using my DX-440, with internal antenna.

~BG

Still no luck here. I guess I need a better antenna.
 
Tonight (as of 0200-0230 UTC) I'm hearing hets on 603, 657, 693, 747, 837, 873, 963, 1107, 1134, 1269, 1377 and 1557. Audio not discernible on any, I almost thought I heard something on 1134 briefly, then it went back to a het. Rats! Must not be my night for TA. Gotta build that box loop antenna!
 
stormy01 said:
Tonight (as of 0200-0230 UTC) I'm hearing hets on 603, 657, 693, 747, 837, 873, 963, 1107, 1134, 1269, 1377 and 1557. Audio not discernible on any, I almost thought I heard something on 1134 briefly, then it went back to a het. Rats! Must not be my night for TA. Gotta build that box loop antenna!

I'm hearing a few of those hets. The one on 873 is the loudest. Do you know where that is coming from?
 
Perhaps the U.S. armed forces station in Germany? They put a nice nighttime signal into the UK.
 
radioman148 said:
cyberdad said:
Perhaps the U.S. armed forces station in Germany? They put a nice nighttime signal into the UK.

There was something there that's for sure.

Ah, the AFN. They were my European source for Blue Jays baseball, when the Jays were any good and into post-season play, during the early '90s.

That would be a nice...uuuh...catch! :D

~BG
 
kilokat7 said:
radioman148 said:
I'm hearing a few of those hets. The one on 873 is the loudest. Do you know where that is coming from?

Spain is a possibility too as it has been reported on 873 by other DXers.

True, it's only 10 kW, but near its NW coast. Russia's Radio Rossi is putting out 150 kW, on its NW coast, from St. Petersburg, so you may want to tune your ear to catch some Russian...

~BG
 
Tincap said:
kilokat7 said:
radioman148 said:
I'm hearing a few of those hets. The one on 873 is the loudest. Do you know where that is coming from?

Spain is a possibility too as it has been reported on 873 by other DXers.

True, it's only 10 kW, but near its NW coast. Russia's Radio Rossi is putting out 150 kW, on its NW coast, from St. Petersburg, so you may want to tune your ear to catch some Russian...

~BG

Well I'll keep listening. There was definitely a loud het there last night. Is it safe for me to assume that there's nothing in the Western Hemisphere on that frequency?
 
radioman148 said:
Is it safe for me to assume that there's nothing in the Western Hemisphere on that frequency?

Most ITU Region 2 stations (The Americas & Caribbean) are compliant with the 10 kHz step band plan for MW. It's rare that a Central/South American/Caribbean station is on a ITU Region 1/3 frequency (LW and MW frequencies evenly divisible by 9) If anything, MW stations in Region 2 not on a 10 kHz step may be drifting so these may not even be found consistently on the incorrect frequency (not their assigned frquency) Generally, these stations that are not on a 10 kHz step are relatively low powered. There are no current reports on the web for any Region 2 station operating on 873 kHz. So there is a high probability that the heterodyne was from Germany. That seems to make sense since the other hets were from the general region (in other words, there were no discernible Scandinavian or No. African hets, just western europe the last couple of evenings) The number of stations in Region 2 that may be off their assigned frequency is so infinitesimally small that it is highly unlikely a Region 2 station that is off frequency could be mistaken for a Region 1/3 station.
 
stormy01 said:
radioman148 said:
Is it safe for me to assume that there's nothing in the Western Hemisphere on that frequency?

Most ITU Region 2 stations (The Americas & Caribbean) are compliant with the 10 kHz step band plan for MW. It's rare that a Central/South American/Caribbean station is on a ITU Region 1/3 frequency (LW and MW frequencies evenly divisible by 9) If anything, MW stations in Region 2 not on a 10 kHz step may be drifting so these may not even be found consistently on the incorrect frequency (not their assigned frquency) Generally, these stations that are not on a 10 kHz step are relatively low powered. There are no current reports on the web for any Region 2 station operating on 873 kHz. So there is a high probability that the heterodyne was from Germany. That seems to make sense since the other hets were from the general region (in other words, there were no discernible Scandinavian or No. African hets, just western europe the last couple of evenings) The number of stations in Region 2 that may be off their assigned frequency is so infinitesimally small that it is highly unlikely a Region 2 station that is off frequency could be mistaken for a Region 1/3 station.

Thanks for the clarification.
 
radioman148 said:
stormy01 said:
radioman148 said:
Is it safe for me to assume that there's nothing in the Western Hemisphere on that frequency?

Most ITU Region 2 stations (The Americas & Caribbean) are compliant with the 10 kHz step band plan for MW. It's rare that a Central/South American/Caribbean station is on a ITU Region 1/3 frequency (LW and MW frequencies evenly divisible by 9) If anything, MW stations in Region 2 not on a 10 kHz step may be drifting so these may not even be found consistently on the incorrect frequency (not their assigned frquency) Generally, these stations that are not on a 10 kHz step are relatively low powered. There are no current reports on the web for any Region 2 station operating on 873 kHz. So there is a high probability that the heterodyne was from Germany. That seems to make sense since the other hets were from the general region (in other words, there were no discernible Scandinavian or No. African hets, just western europe the last couple of evenings) The number of stations in Region 2 that may be off their assigned frequency is so infinitesimally small that it is highly unlikely a Region 2 station that is off frequency could be mistaken for a Region 1/3 station.

Thanks for the clarification.

Stormy, would R. Rossi's 150 kW St. Petersburg transmitter not be a factor at all? Does it have something to do with the antenna setups at their sites? You were able to tell us that Croatia's 1134 was bi-directional and throwing its signal at us. Is AFN throwing at us and R. Rossi not on 873?

BTW, I'm monitoring 873 and I'm getting slop from Ithica NY, Cuba (the ticking clock...) and...a bit of a surprise...a strong signal from WWL New Orleans. No strong het for the time being.

~BG
 
Tincap said:
radioman148 said:
stormy01 said:
radioman148 said:
Is it safe for me to assume that there's nothing in the Western Hemisphere on that frequency?

Most ITU Region 2 stations (The Americas & Caribbean) are compliant with the 10 kHz step band plan for MW. It's rare that a Central/South American/Caribbean station is on a ITU Region 1/3 frequency (LW and MW frequencies evenly divisible by 9) If anything, MW stations in Region 2 not on a 10 kHz step may be drifting so these may not even be found consistently on the incorrect frequency (not their assigned frquency) Generally, these stations that are not on a 10 kHz step are relatively low powered. There are no current reports on the web for any Region 2 station operating on 873 kHz. So there is a high probability that the heterodyne was from Germany. That seems to make sense since the other hets were from the general region (in other words, there were no discernible Scandinavian or No. African hets, just western europe the last couple of evenings) The number of stations in Region 2 that may be off their assigned frequency is so infinitesimally small that it is highly unlikely a Region 2 station that is off frequency could be mistaken for a Region 1/3 station.

Thanks for the clarification.

Stormy, would R. Rossi's 150 kW St. Petersburg transmitter not be a factor at all? Does it have something to do with the antenna setups at their sites? You were able to tell us that Croatia's 1134 was bi-directional and throwing its signal at us. Is AFN throwing at us and R. Rossi not on 873?

BTW, I'm monitoring 873 and I'm getting slop from Ithica NY, Cuba (the ticking clock...) and...a bit of a surprise...a strong signal from WWL New Orleans. No strong het for the time being.

~BG

I'm getting the het on 873, but not as strong as last night.
 
Tincap said:
Stormy, would R. Rossi's 150 kW St. Petersburg transmitter not be a factor at all? Does it have something to do with the antenna setups at their sites? You were able to tell us that Croatia's 1134 was bi-directional and throwing its signal at us. Is AFN throwing at us and R. Rossi not on 873?

BTW, I'm monitoring 873 and I'm getting slop from Ithica NY, Cuba (the ticking clock...) and...a bit of a surprise...a strong signal from WWL New Orleans. No strong het for the time being.

~BG

Yeah the strength of the hets was definitely weaker last night, as I was only hearing hets on 603, 693, 747 and 873.

AFN is 150kW omnidirectional but there is only a 75kW station at Sankt Petersburg called "Vesti FM". I suspect that 75kW station was 150kW at one time, but is operating at half power. This has happened a number of times in Russia. The state broadcaster has sold some of their aging equipment and frequencies to commercial broadcasters and the commercial operator may operate at lower power to save money or because they have lost half of their final power amplifier. The aging transmitting equipment may have parts, including the 'finals' [power amplifier tubes] that are very expensive to replace. Even in Russia many stations have gone to FM, unless the broadcaster is the unlucky one that wanted an FM frequency - but there may be no frequencies available in the largest cities, so they get an AM or, arrgh, a LW frequency assigned to them.

As far as the tower installations go, stations in other countries face similar problems that U.S. and Canadian broadcasters do. Ground systems deteriorate, transmission lines lose their efficiency over time (some lines are pressurized with gas and lose pressure). Guy wires if not maintained may lower the efficiency of a station's ability to radiate a signal efficiently, and building construction in the area around a transmitting site, which once was rural or semi-rural may lower the ground conductivity. Ground conductivity that is not good to begin with may put a station at a disadvantage as far as its signal reach, and often the power was increased to compensate for poor ground conductivity.
Some stations also may not be using a half-wave tower, which is held by engineers to be the most effective height and compromise between radiating a groundwave and skywave. Shorter towers such as quarter-wave towers are just not as efficient as half-wave towers.

AFN and R. Rossi are both omnidirectional so far as I know. St. Petersburg may have an advantage since it's near the Baltic Sea and the signal would only need to cross parts of Finland, Sweden, Norway, Greenland, Canada and the U.S. to get to your receiver. AFN Frankfurt on 873 is in west central Germany, and the signal only has to cross part of Germany and Belgium/Netherlands to get out on the Atlantic and towards No. America. The propagation the last few days has tended to favor central Europe, as I have presumed, based on the hets I have received. The downside of presuming or actual reception of No. Europe and Scandinavian signals is that there is an auroral effect to MW signals at times - and this effect is more frequent at higher than that at lower latitudes. In other words, reception from Sankt Petersburg would be rarer than central or southern Europe, or No. Africa for that matter. Unfortunately, a number of the No. European and Scandinavian high power stations have been taken off the air due to budget cuts and aging equipment that was deemed too expensive to repair or replace. We used to have the 1200kW Norway station on 1314 kHz, Poland had a few high power stations (300kW) on 818 and 737 kHz. I believe Finland runs 600kW on 963 kHz occasionally, and Sweden may have 1179 kHz at 300kW which it also occasionally uses (for their 'external' services - not domestic programming) There is also the Faroe Islands which operates at up to 100kW on 531, and Iceland, but they're on 189 and 207 LW.

For any information on European stations, I would check out http://fmscan.org/ If you have any questions perhaps Günter Lorenz [email protected] might be able to help or direct you to someone who knows about particular stations parameters, like power, if they use a DA, etc. Also the World Radio TV Handbook is a good resource, I have been using it since 1969 (purchase from amazon.com, more info. at wrth.com) Though the WRTH won't usually indicate if a station uses a DA or not (unless it's a US or Canadian station - and even then not the specific directions, for that www.radio-locator.comor http://www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/amq.html. Information on DA outside of the U.S./Canada is relatively hard to find. The best source for DA information particularly outside of the U.S./Canada is definitely http://fmscan.org/
 
FYI there is a world ground conductivity map for LW/MW here: http://hamwaves.com/antennas/gnd-sigma/vlf_mf_ground_conductivity_atlas.pdf

I would add that there is more to long distance LW/MW reception than just ground conductivity. In my research and reading of technical journals, texts, and articles there are also geomagnetic effects, which I believe tend to enhance groundwave LW/MW reception, but how I'm not sure at this time. Sunspots do have an effect on LW-MW reception (more to do with the aurora borealis/australis and its effect on attenuation of skywave signals rather than enhancement of such signals) Someone had commented earlier this month somewhere on radio-info if not this thread that in times of high sunspot counts, long distance LW/MW reception is poorer. Not so in my experience. In the years of high sunspot activity (such as 1967-1969 and 1979-1982) I do recall hearing some really long distance reception from Venezuela, Colombia, El Salvador, etc. But of course the countries I named are away from where the aurora affects radio reception, normally north/south of 50° N/S latitude. Unfortunately at the time I wasn't aware of Transatlantic [TA] reception. It must have been happening then, though my receiving equipment was possibly incapable of separating the split channels. I don't even recall too many 'hets' then. If low sunspots would really enhance long distance reception by itself, that could have some merit, but I feel that it's more complicated than that, and not fully understood by the scientific community. It's more like a combination of sunspots, magnetic field/s and other phenomena that I can't recall right now...
 
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