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12 channel cable systems
- Thread starter Poledo
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In 2013, I highly doubt it. I DO remember when we had 36 channels here in Connecticut, before a major expansion in 1993 changed everything:
http://imgur.com/Nd9iHae
My city had those boxes in the early 1980s. Before the 1993 expansion I mentioned, our system went as high as channel 45, maybe 46.
http://imgur.com/Nd9iHae
My city had those boxes in the early 1980s. Before the 1993 expansion I mentioned, our system went as high as channel 45, maybe 46.
poledo said:
I highly doubt it. Even in the most isolated parts of Northern Canada, the cable systems have more than 12 channels. There's a few with fewer than 30 channels though.
I dated a few girls whom lived "in town" back in the mid-1980's and the cable at their houses was then only 12 channels (including HBO). One girlfriend's parents had a living color TV that had the old-style knob-tuned dial--no remote. We also had such a TV, but were out of the cable service area so it was OTA only.
There's a 40 channel analog cable system in Eminence MO
http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/tvlist...reference=false&lineupId=MO24430:-&aid=zap2it
http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/tvlist...reference=false&lineupId=MO24430:-&aid=zap2it
After further thought and considering the introduction of DTV I now really doubt any of these systems still exist in the US.
I know we still had 12 channels circa 1984 or 1985 and I didn't upgrade to the "box" until enough new local stations had signed on to fill up channels 2-12 leaving ESPN,CNN,WTBS,WGN, and HBO as the only cable channels left in the VHF band (1987-1988). When we finally got a cable box we went from 12 channels to 25 or 26 stations. I also remember that I could fiddle with the fine tuning on the VHF knob and get USA cable channel 23 on VHF channel 13 without a box. I guess it was just a coincidence that USA was on cable channel 13 before a new local indie signed on and took that spot bumping USA to CATV channel 23.
I guess we really had 13 channels in the VHF cable days as Nickelodeon and A&E shared channel 12 with Nick on in the daytime and A&E at night.
I know we still had 12 channels circa 1984 or 1985 and I didn't upgrade to the "box" until enough new local stations had signed on to fill up channels 2-12 leaving ESPN,CNN,WTBS,WGN, and HBO as the only cable channels left in the VHF band (1987-1988). When we finally got a cable box we went from 12 channels to 25 or 26 stations. I also remember that I could fiddle with the fine tuning on the VHF knob and get USA cable channel 23 on VHF channel 13 without a box. I guess it was just a coincidence that USA was on cable channel 13 before a new local indie signed on and took that spot bumping USA to CATV channel 23.
I guess we really had 13 channels in the VHF cable days as Nickelodeon and A&E shared channel 12 with Nick on in the daytime and A&E at night.
Is it safe to assume people living in the areas with the 24 and 40 channel analog cable systems listed above have access to Dish/DirecTV at minimum?
When I made the first post I was thinking someone would come up with a small system in a valley or on the wrong side of a mountain where the subscribers had no other choice, not even an option for OTA television.
Know of anywhere in the lower 48 that has no access to cable, sat, or OTA TV? Or perhaps has access to analog or SDTV translators but no access to broadcast HDTV?
When I made the first post I was thinking someone would come up with a small system in a valley or on the wrong side of a mountain where the subscribers had no other choice, not even an option for OTA television.
Know of anywhere in the lower 48 that has no access to cable, sat, or OTA TV? Or perhaps has access to analog or SDTV translators but no access to broadcast HDTV?
According to the FCC the average number of channels on a cable system is 80. The FCC states 90%f of US cable systems offer full range of services including Internet, Telephone service, DVR and pay per view.
I would think there still must be a few small towns that have some kind of 12 channel service left.
I would think there still must be a few small towns that have some kind of 12 channel service left.
Mark said:
I also would think there still must be a few "motels" that have some kind of 12 channel "cable" left--wouldn't shock me in this Lodgenet day and age.
poledo said:
yup. Eagle Cablevision in Remer, MN (about 150 miles from Minneapolis)....well they do go up to channel 15
$12.00 a month billed in 3 month increments
2 TNT
3 CNN
4 WGN
5 TBS
6 KARE (Minneapolis NBC)
7 ABC FAMILY
8 ESPN
9 KAWE PBS (Bemidji/Brainerd PBS)
10 DISCOVERY
11 FSN NORTH
12 KCCW CBS (Walker, MN...satellite of WCCO Minneapolis)
13 WDIO ABC (Duluth)
15 USA
14 is where FOXNET was until it went under. There is no Fox in the system. They also do phone and internet.
They switched their website recently and doesnt list it but their old website did was on end of 2011.
http://web.archive.org/web/20111215052718/http://www.jtc-companies.com/cable.html
Got a buddy who lives near there and can confirm this is still the cable system as of 2013
crainbebo said:
Probably not that, but Fox's annoying issues with carriage of out-of-market affiliates. Charter lost WLUK from Green Bay on systems which also get WITI in Milwaukee because of the network's ridiculous contracts which only allow viewership in each market with in-market affiliates. WLUK had to go despite their good local programming, which I found completely annoying as it wasn't the fault of WLUK or Charter there, but Fox itself. Remer seems to be in a no man's land where its stuck in the MSP DMA and the system can't grab the Brainerd translator of KMSP, nor either of WFTC's full power signals.
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I remember some of the old 12 channel systems here in Pittsburgh in the late 70's had an
issue when WPTT-22 signed-on. The only spot on the dial available for them was Channel 13.
But WQED put out such a powerful over-the-air signal on 13 it caused interference to the point
of making WPTT virtually unwatchable on most systems.
issue when WPTT-22 signed-on. The only spot on the dial available for them was Channel 13.
But WQED put out such a powerful over-the-air signal on 13 it caused interference to the point
of making WPTT virtually unwatchable on most systems.
"Philipsburg Cable TV" in the small western Montana town of Philipsburg is still listed with the FCC as being an active cable system, though I have some doubts about the accuracy of that information. The only online evidence I could find is the retransmission consent letter KTMF-TV sent to the operator of the system for the 2012-2014 retransmission period (see page 23 of the PDF here).
Anyway, enter the town's ZIP Code, 59858, into TitanTV, and the following channel lineup appears:
2 - HBO (West)
3 - KTMF-DT2 (Fox) Missoula
4 - Spike
5 - TBS
6 - CNN
7 - Local weather
8 - KPAX-TV (CBS) Missoula
9 - ABC Family (West)
10 - ESPN
11 - WGN America
12 - KMGH-TV (ABC) Denver
13 - KECI-TV (NBC) Missoula
There used to be some other small town cable systems in Montana that did not extend past channel 13 up until only a few short years ago, but FCC records seem to indicate they have all been whittled away to just this remaining system, which, again, may not actually still be in operation. I imagine most of the other systems met their demises due to the satellite operators and declining small town populations. Even so, to this day there remain several cable systems in rural Montana that contain fewer than 40 channels, all in analog.
Anyway, enter the town's ZIP Code, 59858, into TitanTV, and the following channel lineup appears:
2 - HBO (West)
3 - KTMF-DT2 (Fox) Missoula
4 - Spike
5 - TBS
6 - CNN
7 - Local weather
8 - KPAX-TV (CBS) Missoula
9 - ABC Family (West)
10 - ESPN
11 - WGN America
12 - KMGH-TV (ABC) Denver
13 - KECI-TV (NBC) Missoula
There used to be some other small town cable systems in Montana that did not extend past channel 13 up until only a few short years ago, but FCC records seem to indicate they have all been whittled away to just this remaining system, which, again, may not actually still be in operation. I imagine most of the other systems met their demises due to the satellite operators and declining small town populations. Even so, to this day there remain several cable systems in rural Montana that contain fewer than 40 channels, all in analog.
Here is another possible one. Easton, MO
Used to be St Joe Cablevision ut now its supposedly Suddenlink.....yet the SL site wont print a channel lineup
zip 64443 on zap2it
2 MeTV Kansas City
4 KNPN Fox St Joe
5 KCTV CBS KC
6 KSMO My KC
7 KCWE CW KC
8 KCPT PBS KC
9 KQTV ABC St Joe
11 KTAJ TBN
12 KSHB NBC KC
13 KMCI Ind KC
which matches pretty much a pdf when it was St Joe Cable
Easton, Missouri Channel Line Up of St. Joseph Cablevision
Effective March 1, 2010
BASIC SERVICE
2 KMBC (Weather)
4 WDAF (Fox)
5 KCTV (CBS)
6 KSMO (IND)
7 KCWE (CW)
8 KCPT (PBS)
11 KTAJ (IND)
12 KSHB (NBC)
13 KMCI (IND)
*Prices and Channels are subject to change. We reserve the right to correct any errors or omissions.
Used to be St Joe Cablevision ut now its supposedly Suddenlink.....yet the SL site wont print a channel lineup
zip 64443 on zap2it
2 MeTV Kansas City
4 KNPN Fox St Joe
5 KCTV CBS KC
6 KSMO My KC
7 KCWE CW KC
8 KCPT PBS KC
9 KQTV ABC St Joe
11 KTAJ TBN
12 KSHB NBC KC
13 KMCI Ind KC
which matches pretty much a pdf when it was St Joe Cable
Easton, Missouri Channel Line Up of St. Joseph Cablevision
Effective March 1, 2010
BASIC SERVICE
2 KMBC (Weather)
4 WDAF (Fox)
5 KCTV (CBS)
6 KSMO (IND)
7 KCWE (CW)
8 KCPT (PBS)
11 KTAJ (IND)
12 KSHB (NBC)
13 KMCI (IND)
*Prices and Channels are subject to change. We reserve the right to correct any errors or omissions.
Warner Cable Houston back in 1989 had the following
Channels (With the Pioneer Cable Box)
1. HCO Local Programs
2. KPRC (NBC)
3. ESPN
4. CNN (Moved from Channel 18)
5. USA
6. MTV
7, C-SPAN
8. KUHT (PBS Houston)
9. Access Houston (Local)
10. HISD (Educational Access)
11. KHOU (CBS)
12. TNT
13. KTRK (ABC)
14. TNN (Moved From Channel 12) Used to be HBO *At one time San Antonio's Rogers,and Houston's Warner Cable had both HBO and Showtime on the same channels however, a converter box was required to watch HBO and Showtime in Houston.
15. Headline News (Moved From Channel 33)
16. Lifetime (Moved From Channel 21) formally Showtime
17. WTBS (TBS)
18. KETH (From Channel 15)
19. CBN/A&E
20. KTXH (20 Vision)
21. Customer Information
22. Discovery
23. WGN
24. Nickelodeon
25. VH-1
26. KRIV (Ind) now Fox
27. CVN (Cable Value Network)
28. KXLN (Univision)
29. KHTV (Channel 39, IND) KHTV-39 (Formally 39 Gold)
30. FNN/BET
======== end of Basic Package========
Standard:
31. HSN (Home Sports Network)
32. Disney
33. HBO (Moved from Channel 14)
34. Movietime (Movie News)
35. WHT1 Pay Per View (Warner Home Theater) Viewer's Choice I
36. WHT2 Pay Per View (Warner Home Theater) Viewer's Choice II *channel used to require a QUBE box to view, remember those?
37. WHT3 Pay Per View (Warner Home Theater) Request
38. Cinemax (Moved from Channel 37, to make room for Request PPV)
39. Showtime (Moved from Channel 16)
40. The Movie Channel (Moved from Channel 4)
41. The Weather Channel
Now for the in the wall cable (Cable Ready Channels)
2. HCO Local Programs
3. KPRC (NBC)
4. ESPN
5. CNN (Moved from Channel 18)
6. USA
7. Customer Information
8. C-SPAN
9. MTV
10. KUHT (PBS Houston)
11. Access Houston (Public Access)
12. KHOU (CBS)
13. HISD (Educational Access)
15. TNN
16. Headline News
17. Lifetime
18. KTRK (ABC)
19. WTBS (TBS)
20. KETH
21. CBN / A&E
22. KTXH (20 Vision)
23. TNT
24. Discovery
25. WGN
26. Nickelodeon
27. VH-1
28. KRIV (IND) KHTV-26 (now FOX)
29. CVN (Cable Value Network)
30. KXLN (Univision)
31. KHTV (IND) KHTV-39
32. FNN/BET
Basic gets you 30 channels, Standard gets you 2 more channels (plus the cable box) which are HSE and The Weather Channel. The rest are Premium and PPV.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGksya0nur4
Nowadays they are comca$t.
Tune to channel 0 and Converter box would display E which gives you information if you converter box displays E Codes E1, E2, E3, or E4. And then there is C.
watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWtB7jGzz_c
(My grandfathers cable box in the living room had that E4 error) Pioneer Cable Boxes rented for just $2 a piece back then we had 2
Channels (With the Pioneer Cable Box)
1. HCO Local Programs
2. KPRC (NBC)
3. ESPN
4. CNN (Moved from Channel 18)
5. USA
6. MTV
7, C-SPAN
8. KUHT (PBS Houston)
9. Access Houston (Local)
10. HISD (Educational Access)
11. KHOU (CBS)
12. TNT
13. KTRK (ABC)
14. TNN (Moved From Channel 12) Used to be HBO *At one time San Antonio's Rogers,and Houston's Warner Cable had both HBO and Showtime on the same channels however, a converter box was required to watch HBO and Showtime in Houston.
15. Headline News (Moved From Channel 33)
16. Lifetime (Moved From Channel 21) formally Showtime
17. WTBS (TBS)
18. KETH (From Channel 15)
19. CBN/A&E
20. KTXH (20 Vision)
21. Customer Information
22. Discovery
23. WGN
24. Nickelodeon
25. VH-1
26. KRIV (Ind) now Fox
27. CVN (Cable Value Network)
28. KXLN (Univision)
29. KHTV (Channel 39, IND) KHTV-39 (Formally 39 Gold)
30. FNN/BET
======== end of Basic Package========
Standard:
31. HSN (Home Sports Network)
32. Disney
33. HBO (Moved from Channel 14)
34. Movietime (Movie News)
35. WHT1 Pay Per View (Warner Home Theater) Viewer's Choice I
36. WHT2 Pay Per View (Warner Home Theater) Viewer's Choice II *channel used to require a QUBE box to view, remember those?
37. WHT3 Pay Per View (Warner Home Theater) Request
38. Cinemax (Moved from Channel 37, to make room for Request PPV)
39. Showtime (Moved from Channel 16)
40. The Movie Channel (Moved from Channel 4)
41. The Weather Channel
Now for the in the wall cable (Cable Ready Channels)
2. HCO Local Programs
3. KPRC (NBC)
4. ESPN
5. CNN (Moved from Channel 18)
6. USA
7. Customer Information
8. C-SPAN
9. MTV
10. KUHT (PBS Houston)
11. Access Houston (Public Access)
12. KHOU (CBS)
13. HISD (Educational Access)
15. TNN
16. Headline News
17. Lifetime
18. KTRK (ABC)
19. WTBS (TBS)
20. KETH
21. CBN / A&E
22. KTXH (20 Vision)
23. TNT
24. Discovery
25. WGN
26. Nickelodeon
27. VH-1
28. KRIV (IND) KHTV-26 (now FOX)
29. CVN (Cable Value Network)
30. KXLN (Univision)
31. KHTV (IND) KHTV-39
32. FNN/BET
Basic gets you 30 channels, Standard gets you 2 more channels (plus the cable box) which are HSE and The Weather Channel. The rest are Premium and PPV.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGksya0nur4
Nowadays they are comca$t.
Tune to channel 0 and Converter box would display E which gives you information if you converter box displays E Codes E1, E2, E3, or E4. And then there is C.
watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWtB7jGzz_c
(My grandfathers cable box in the living room had that E4 error) Pioneer Cable Boxes rented for just $2 a piece back then we had 2
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