Yet, would Crawford give up that license to somebody else?
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"Crawford has turned off its 50kw AM in Albany to escape paying the electric bill....(??)"
WPTR is DARK?
Boom-Boom Brannigan must be spinnng in his grave. :'(
There's got to be someone who could make something of a 50 kW DA-1 signal in a good sized market, with a signal that can reach all across New England at night--I have to believe Paul Vandenburgh would love to get his hands on it.
WPTR is DARK?
Boom-Boom Brannigan must be spinnng in his grave. :'(
There's got to be someone who could make something of a 50 kW DA-1 signal in a good sized market, with a signal that can reach all across New England at night--I have to believe Paul Vandenburgh would love to get his hands on it.
Yep. Jaw-droppingly true. They turned it OFF "to decide a future strategy" for the 50kw signal, or words to that effect. (Transparently, an attempt to stop giving National Grid $7000 a month for 14 listeners. Do I detect a future "Brigadoon" WCKR-type scenario here??)
Hmm.....forget 1220. Maybe I buy out CGR, move 1540 to a new COL ("Rush, NY!!") - diplex it on the WYSL array.....I'll offer Crawford $5000 and some Martin's Fantasy Island day passes.....
Hmm.....forget 1220. Maybe I buy out CGR, move 1540 to a new COL ("Rush, NY!!") - diplex it on the WYSL array.....I'll offer Crawford $5000 and some Martin's Fantasy Island day passes.....
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"Maybe I buy out CGR, move 1540 to a new COL ("Rush, NY!!") - diplex it on the WYSL array.....I'll offer Crawford $5000 and some Martin's Fantasy Island day passes....."
Probably also have to offer CHIN in Toronto an incentive to move down from 1540 to 1470 or 1480, which are now open frequencies in the Toronto region (they could probably run 50 kW DA-2 from their current rig on Toronto Island). Do that and you could probably run 50 kW in pretty close to a cardioid KB-style pattern, maybe even with a Rochester COL.
What would you do with a nice hefty 50 KW-U, DA-1 or maybe even DA-N? Move WYSL programming there, or do something new?
Probably also have to offer CHIN in Toronto an incentive to move down from 1540 to 1470 or 1480, which are now open frequencies in the Toronto region (they could probably run 50 kW DA-2 from their current rig on Toronto Island). Do that and you could probably run 50 kW in pretty close to a cardioid KB-style pattern, maybe even with a Rochester COL.
What would you do with a nice hefty 50 KW-U, DA-1 or maybe even DA-N? Move WYSL programming there, or do something new?
I just went to the the Albany thread. There's no mention of WPTR going dark. Wow, has AM slipped so low that a 50 KW'er going off the air is just not news worthy?
Move fast RCS...that could be their Annual Family Picnic, on trade, this year>
I checked the Albany thread back to November. Didn't see anything, but coulda missed it. There was something about WPTR-FM dropping oldies and picking up the Christian talk format. Too bad they weren't successful with the Legends format.
There is a 1540 in Syracuse. As I had mention a while back, an old time engineer told me about 35 years ago that was supposed to be the 50KW'er. He said Newhouse blocked it. He's long gone now so I can't substantiate it. I just know what he told me.
I imagine a 50KW in Albany is of some value to someone. I doubt the frequency and power will leave the market.
WPTR was a great top 40 station in its' day. I had some good friends that worked there. What a shame.
There is a 1540 in Syracuse. As I had mention a while back, an old time engineer told me about 35 years ago that was supposed to be the 50KW'er. He said Newhouse blocked it. He's long gone now so I can't substantiate it. I just know what he told me.
I imagine a 50KW in Albany is of some value to someone. I doubt the frequency and power will leave the market.
WPTR was a great top 40 station in its' day. I had some good friends that worked there. What a shame.
Here's a link to the discussion of 1540 WDCD (formerly the legendary WPTR) going temporarily silent. From a March thread on the Albany board. http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/index.php?topic=208260.0
I thought RCS was joking about making a run at 1540 in Rochester, until he mentioned the passes to Fantasy Island. It was then that I knew he wasn't talking out his hat. Damn!
Anybody who has delusions of moving 1540 west of Albany needs to consider the mess that would involve not only WCGR and 1540 CHIN Toronto, but the famed US flamethrower, 1540 KXEL Waterloo, Iowa, which the former WPTR was required to protect. There would be issues with another east-pattern flamethrower, 1st adjacent 1530 WCKY Cincinnati. Having to deal with a 50kW down the pike on 1520 poses another set of problems. Yeah, it was a fantasy (hence those Fantasy Island passes.) Listen... Is that Aerosmith playing in the sideband? Sounds like Dream On.
I thought RCS was joking about making a run at 1540 in Rochester, until he mentioned the passes to Fantasy Island. It was then that I knew he wasn't talking out his hat. Damn!
Anybody who has delusions of moving 1540 west of Albany needs to consider the mess that would involve not only WCGR and 1540 CHIN Toronto, but the famed US flamethrower, 1540 KXEL Waterloo, Iowa, which the former WPTR was required to protect. There would be issues with another east-pattern flamethrower, 1st adjacent 1530 WCKY Cincinnati. Having to deal with a 50kW down the pike on 1520 poses another set of problems. Yeah, it was a fantasy (hence those Fantasy Island passes.) Listen... Is that Aerosmith playing in the sideband? Sounds like Dream On.
Well, it may be a fantasy, but only because I think Crawford would be unlikely to let go of it. As far as the technical stuff goes, I would defer to a qualified consultant of course. But at first glance I wouldn't think moving 1540 here wouldn't present that much of a problem.
If there can be a NDA 1050 in Baldwinsville co-existing with a 50kw 1050 in Toronto, why not 1540? And KXEL....well, there's WYSL sharing 1040 with Des Moines....
Then again, if I'm really Jonesin' to pay a 50kw electric bill, I can do that daytimes with the 1040 I already have. I've got room on the property and all it would take would be a couple more towers to the south.
If there can be a NDA 1050 in Baldwinsville co-existing with a 50kw 1050 in Toronto, why not 1540? And KXEL....well, there's WYSL sharing 1040 with Des Moines....
Then again, if I'm really Jonesin' to pay a 50kw electric bill, I can do that daytimes with the 1040 I already have. I've got room on the property and all it would take would be a couple more towers to the south.
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"Then again, if I'm really Jonesin' to pay a 50kw electric bill, I can do that daytimes with the 1040 I already have. I've got room on the property and all it would take would be a couple more towers to the south."
And the same mods would probably let you boost to 10 kW or more nighttime, shooting straight north into Monroe County. That'd sure give the Clear Channel cluster managers a few additional ulcers...
And the same mods would probably let you boost to 10 kW or more nighttime, shooting straight north into Monroe County. That'd sure give the Clear Channel cluster managers a few additional ulcers...
Not sure about 10kw, but 5 would almost certainly work, or something close to that. We seriously considered doing 50kw, but it would have doubled the cost of the 2006 power upgrade to almost $700K, doubled the electric bill and moved the daytime 5.0 mv a whopping ten miles - ALL over Lake Ontario. Since there is no point on the Lake Ontario shore where 20kw WYSL doesn't deliver 5.0 m/v (city grade coverage) it would appear to be a waste.
Protection factors for co-channel AMs: recall 50kw WMEX Boston, operating at the time with, I think, TWO towers daytime - and 10kw WNLC New London with THREE - only 70 miles apart, both on 1510?? I think it was Dan Strassberg who pointed out the somewhat astonishing fact that WNLC's main daytime lobe was actually aimed at Boston!! Of course WNLC 1510 is gone now, but it's a fascinating piece of directional AM history.
Protection factors for co-channel AMs: recall 50kw WMEX Boston, operating at the time with, I think, TWO towers daytime - and 10kw WNLC New London with THREE - only 70 miles apart, both on 1510?? I think it was Dan Strassberg who pointed out the somewhat astonishing fact that WNLC's main daytime lobe was actually aimed at Boston!! Of course WNLC 1510 is gone now, but it's a fascinating piece of directional AM history.
Wow. An old thread back to life! lol
Good thing Greece is a good hour or so away from the border.
1220 on the Canadian side is expected to sign on soon, to be known as "Grapevine 1220", an oldies formatted station. ( https://crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2015/2015-470.htm#bm2)
I'm guessing Grapevine radio will still be invisible in Western NY anyway because of WECK...?
Good thing Greece is a good hour or so away from the border.
1220 on the Canadian side is expected to sign on soon, to be known as "Grapevine 1220", an oldies formatted station. ( https://crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2015/2015-470.htm#bm2)
I'm guessing Grapevine radio will still be invisible in Western NY anyway because of WECK...?
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If not all the computer and electrical hash, WECK will certainly splash over 1220. How many folks do you think the new 1220 will attract on your side of the river, Yezi? Seems most folks would be tuned to Zoomer 740, just as many do on this side of the river. 1220 might make a dent if it takes up where 1150 left off years ago. CHOC? Can't recall the call letters. That station had a phenomenal presentation doing 60s and 70s Oldies.
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