Just curious if any of you engineering folks know what station(s) WHKW is protecting out to the south and west?
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Is the southeast null for WPHT/Philadelphia? WHKW's night signal in Kent usually gets blown out by WPHT's hash.
cyberdad said:
Correct. 1220 is a Mexican clear channel, with secondary use by Canada. The US got the OK for WGAR to move from 1480 in late '43 or early '44 with 5 kw, very directional away from Mexico... in '47 they built a bigger directional system and went to 50 kw which they could not do during the War due to shortages.
XEB's transmitter is in the Federal District, not sure if it is still the exact same location on Calzada Tlalpan I visited about 47 years ago. The rough coordinates appear to be the same location or at least area... The other big ones, XEW and XEX, were farther away, right near the lake.
DavidEduardo said:
The question came up on another thread: Why is this station directional during the *day*? (they're DA-1, same pattern day & night) Scott Fybush thinks it's because their transmitter site is far enough out of town they couldn't make enough signal across Cleveland with a non-DA? David, ISTR you're from Cleveland & might know for sure?
DavidEduardo said:
I was being facetious with my comment. I knew XEB was the station being protected.
As I posted in another thread, XEB usually puts a potent nighttime signal into the gulf coast near Pensacola where we spend a few weeks each year. I say "usually", because it does tend to vary a little. That said, it's one of the few skywave signals that can regularly penetrate our condo location itself (I do my DX-ing on the balcony overlooking the gulf).
Here at home northwest of Chicago. then-WGAR, used to be on top of the channel most of the time before it got crowded....but barely. Never very strong. XEB would occasionally take over, but not very often.
This coming week, I have a business trip coming to Toronto, where the Cleveland 1220, battles it out with Niagara Falls. I've never heard XEB up there, but I think it could still be doable, so I'll take a stab at it. I'm traveling light, so I'll probably only have the SRF 37 (walkman) with me, but we'll see what happens.
And yes....to me, the Cleveland 1220 will always be WGAR.
I heard 1220 has a minor null during the day towards 1240, WBBW Youngstown.
Don't forget WERT/1220 out in Van Wert...
w9wi said:
Just before WGAR moved to 1220 from 1480, WHBC in Canton was on 1230... it obviously took the now-available 1480 simultaneously. Just before the120 move, WJW in Akron was on 1240, it obviously moved to allow WGAR's upgrade.
The closest 1230 and 1240 stations were Columbus and Lima. Toledo came after the 50 kw was built, and Youngstown did not come until late 48 or early 49. I'd have to think that the daytime directional was either intentional to push power in a most useful direction or to cover the COL; however, the GAR site is not that much removed from the City of Cleveland as those of 1420 and 1260, so I would think they had no issue covering the licensed community.
It's a good question.
Towerjunky said:
WBBW did not go on the air until about 6 years after WGAR moved to 1220 and 4 years after they moved to 50 kw.
cyberdad said:
I still recall the palatial studio facilities in the Statler Hotel at Euclid between 9th and 12th. They still had studios capable of broadcasting an orchestra (remember the AFM and Petrillo!).
Given that I'm in Canton this weekend, this thread is particularly interesting to me....in terms of how things got to where they are now. I had no idea that WHBC here went to its present 1480 simultaneously when WGAR got 1220. Obviously it would have made perfect sense for them to grab the frequency. Then there's WJW, I never knew that they had a history on a local channel with Akron as the COL. I always associated them with 850.
I should spend more time perusing the White's Radio Logs and Broadcasting Yearbooks on your site, David. ;D
I should spend more time perusing the White's Radio Logs and Broadcasting Yearbooks on your site, David. ;D
That southwest null means 1220 all but disappears once you get past the Montrose area of Summit County. It turns into hash on Route 18 approximately at Medina Line Road!
cyberdad said:
Even better, WJW's first COL was in - of all places - Mansfield! It only moved to Akron in the early 30s...
Some other tidbits: WJW once had the col of Akron before moving to Cleveland. The calls of WJW at Mansfiled probably weren't the same people who went on in Akron. BTW the calls WMAN, now Mansfield was in Columbus when WJW was in Mansfield.
BTW Bob Raymont who was the WGAR Chief around 1971 or so told me when WGAR went to 1220 the old 1480 transmitter was sold to WHBC so they could move to 1480.
BTW Bob Raymont who was the WGAR Chief around 1971 or so told me when WGAR went to 1220 the old 1480 transmitter was sold to WHBC so they could move to 1480.
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