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Here is a "how far will Saul go"?" question:

What are the chances that Saul will take the AM "formerly known as KGIL" to a full all-digital HD service?
I can’t find the article but he did mention in an interview once this was the eventual plan for the signal. I think he was waiting for some percentage of cars in the market that had HD capability.

He’s also a roulette wheel of plans so perhaps this idea has been forgotten for now.
 
Again I say: Saul does whatever he wants on 1260, whenever he thinks it's a good idea. No one has the authority to stop him and no one should. 1260 is his personal station. Period.
I don’t think I was challenging that but you’re very sensitive about Saul. I’m sure he appreciates it.

I’m glad he’s like every other broadcaster and ignores the serving the public interest thing 😂

Period.
 
I meant owners that are non-profit and non-government owned that are dedicated to serving specific groups with special, unique or identifying cultures, such as those who speak the roughly 120 indigenous languages in Mexico or even Spanish speakers of that heritage who preserve the cultures of those indigenous groups. Mexico has severe limitations on religious stations, so we don't have the profusion of that kind of non-profit operation that we see in the U.S., but they do have many serving ethnocultural "special interest" groups.

Many of those groups are in more isolated highly rural and often distant or mountainous regions of Mexico, where AM is able to reach those communities, often in river valleys or "desert oasis" settings where terrain or distance prevents FM from covering wide areas.

Cuba jams and has jammed stations it found offensive. 1140 in Miami was the first to be jammed extensively, along with Radio Swan / Radio Americas 1165 which was on Swan Island, a joint Honduran / US island. Then, as they appeared, Radio Martí, 710 in Miami and a number of the U.S. clear channel. stations the VOA rented overnight time on in the 60's to broadcast to Cuba.

If not jammed by local signals in Cuba (which is 800 miles wide) a number of Miami stations are totally listenable in the north coast region of central Cuba, including La Habana. Those range from 560, 610, 670, 710, 790 and others in Miami even to ones like 620 and 970 from the Tampa Bay market. And little WKWF on 1600 used to be heard in La Habana before Castro came to power.
In ancient times I remember reading in an article about 50 kW WWL 870 concerning certain religious broadcasters leasing time on that station and claiming they were effectively reaching an audience in Cuba. (Wondering if that was ever actually true ?)
 
I’m glad he’s like every other broadcaster and ignores the serving the public interest thing 😂

Keep in mind the "public interest thing" is mainly a guideline, not an actual law. There are rules based on the public interest thing. But owners are given a lot of leeway in how they interpret the public interest. Bill Paley famously said "The public interest is what the public is interested in."
 
I don’t think I was challenging that but you’re very sensitive about Saul. I’m sure he appreciates it.

I’m glad he’s like every other broadcaster and ignores the serving the public interest thing 😂

Period.

Saul is an old friend, both figuratively and physically (he's pushing 100). I believe the reason we are friends is that I understand him and have never criticized his decisions while still offering positive suggestions on same. He, in turn, has always replied to my input in a positive way even if he didn't think it was something he wanted to consider. I respect that about him.

The other thing I respect about him is that he is pretty much the last of the independents. He is the original licensee of 105.1 and put it on the air himself back in 1959. His company is 100% Levine-owned (himself and his two adult children, both of whom are active in the business).

I am offended on his behalf about your comment re public service. You have no idea how much he has done over the years.
 
I’m glad he’s like every other broadcaster and ignores the serving the public interest thing 😂

Keep in mind the "public interest thing" is mainly a guideline, not an actual law. There are rules based on the public interest thing. But owners are given a lot of leeway in how they interpret the public interest. Bill Paley famously said "The public interest is what the public is interested in."

I think, perhaps, the OP is confusing "serving the public interest" with the long-abandoned idea that this includes providing specific formats even if it is not financially viable.

I would politely suggest that he go to World Radio History and search on "WNCN" in Broadcasting to see how the FCC essentially was forced to drop that idea.
 
It was sarcasm.

Please be so kind as to identify any future such comments as such. Anytime you can get both me and BigA to come up with the same misinterpretation, the sarcasm is unclear.

A simple /s at the end is current Netiquette for such statements, FYI.
 
Saul is an old friend, both figuratively and physically (he's pushing 100). I believe the reason we are friends is that I understand him and have never criticized his decisions while still offering positive suggestions on same. He, in turn, has always replied to my input in a positive way even if he didn't think it was something he wanted to consider. I respect that about him.

The other thing I respect about him is that he is pretty much the last of the independents. He is the original licensee of 105.1 and put it on the air himself back in 1959. His company is 100% Levine-owned (himself and his two adult children, both of whom are active in the business).

I am offended on his behalf about your comment re public service. You have no idea how much he has done over the years.
Once, long ago there was an article titled “Independent and Incompetent” which painted independent owners in a not so flattering light. I don’t think Saul would fit into that description but I also don’t think it’s very special being independent in 2024. He has been successful, nobody can argue that. He’s old, good for him still working.

It gets stale how you’re always talking about how much money he has, and how he can do what he wants, etc. We all get it!

It just seems like weird fanboy defensiveness.

Back to the topic at hand, 1260 and the wild wheel of indecisiveness. If old country doesn’t work, which nothing does except KSurf maybe, what’s next?
 
It gets stale how you’re always talking about how much money he has, and how he can do what he wants, etc. We all get it!

I just think Saul gets a bad rap around here and undeservedly so. Because I happen to know and respect him, I admit to being quick to come to his defense when that happens.

Back to the topic at hand, 1260 and the wild wheel of indecisiveness. If old country doesn’t work, which nothing does except KSurf maybe, what’s next?

Whatever he decides.
 
In ancient times I remember reading in an article about 50 kW WWL 870 concerning certain religious broadcasters leasing time on that station and claiming they were effectively reaching an audience in Cuba. (Wondering if that was ever actually true ?)
Yes, it was. WWL put a decent night signal over at least the Western part of Cuba from around La Habana to Pinar del Río and could be heard before Cuba decided that they had to put something on every AM channel to keep non-Cuban perspectives away from the people. And that went as much for signals from Venezuela and Colombia as from the US.
 
Yes, it was. WWL put a decent night signal over at least the Western part of Cuba from around La Habana to Pinar del Río and could be heard before Cuba decided that they had to put something on every AM channel to keep non-Cuban perspectives away from the people. And that went as much for signals from Venezuela and Colombia as from the US.
I remember from way back when, that KSL complained that a Cuban "jammer" or other type of signal on 1160 was obliterating some of their normal night time coverage to the east of Utah.
 
If you do a search at World Radio History for "Cuba jamming" under Broadcasting you will find that this was a concern as far back as 1949.
 
I remember from way back when, that KSL complained that a Cuban "jammer" or other type of signal on 1160 was obliterating some of their normal night time coverage to the east of Utah.
That was because of Radio Americas / Radio Swan, a 50 kw anti-Castro station operated first on 1165 and then on 1160 with virulent anticastro propaganda. The station was "owned" by the Gibraltar Steamship Company and had a Miami office right off Flagler, on 2nd IIRC, which it shared with the offices of the Interamerican Association of Radio (AIR) which was the group that united all the local broadcaster associations in Latin America.

It ran 50 kw from a directional system on Swan Island, a joint US/Honduras possession to the SW of the Caymans. Cuba was not really well prepared to jam stations in the 1961 period, so for a while Radio Swan got into Cuba very well.
 
That was because of Radio Americas / Radio Swan, a 50 kw anti-Castro station operated first on 1165 and then on 1160 with virulent anticastro propaganda. The station was "owned" by the Gibraltar Steamship Company and had a Miami office right off Flagler, on 2nd IIRC, which it shared with the offices of the Interamerican Association of Radio (AIR) which was the group that united all the local broadcaster associations in Latin America.

It ran 50 kw from a directional system on Swan Island, a joint US/Honduras possession to the SW of the Caymans. Cuba was not really well prepared to jam stations in the 1961 period, so for a while Radio Swan got into Cuba very well.
Thanks for the info...
 
Thanks for the info...
I visited the office of Radio Americas when I went to Miami on my school Spring Break in about 1962, I think. I met the head of the AIR, a guy named Goicochea.

I got an invitation to join the supply flight to Swan a few nights later and, like a dumb 15-year-old, accepted. The flight wsa done all at nigh... left an airport at Hialeah, flew in, dropped off supplies and rotated staff and flew out. I did not know enough about technical stuff to even know the kind of transmitter and the directional antenna configuration, but it was one of those "I flew with a bunch of spies and CIA guys" experiences that was cool for a kid.

About 7 or 8 years later, the AIR was to have its annual meeting in Quito. By then, I owned a half-dozen stations there and somehow Goicochea connected with me in advance because the local AER, Asociación Ecuatoriana de Radiodifusión, was not doing its job to organize. Goicochea asked me to handle a bunch of facets of the convention and I pitched in and did my best for a 21-year-old. I made a bunch of friends who were major owners of stations in the Americas as a result, the most interesting being Arch Madsen, the head of Bonneville, who I took on a drive around the Andes and banana areas and he became a good friend.
 
I visited the office of Radio Americas when I went to Miami on my school Spring Break in about 1962, I think. I met the head of the AIR, a guy named Goicochea.

I got an invitation to join the supply flight to Swan a few nights later and, like a dumb 15-year-old, accepted. The flight wsa done all at nigh... left an airport at Hialeah, flew in, dropped off supplies and rotated staff and flew out. I did not know enough about technical stuff to even know the kind of transmitter and the directional antenna configuration, but it was one of those "I flew with a bunch of spies and CIA guys" experiences that was cool for a kid.

About 7 or 8 years later, the AIR was to have its annual meeting in Quito. By then, I owned a half-dozen stations there and somehow Goicochea connected with me in advance because the local AER, Asociación Ecuatoriana de Radiodifusión, was not doing its job to organize. Goicochea asked me to handle a bunch of facets of the convention and I pitched in and did my best for a 21-year-old. I made a bunch of friends who were major owners of stations in the Americas as a result, the most interesting being Arch Madsen, the head of Bonneville, who I took on a drive around the Andes and banana areas and he became a good friend.
And it's Bonneville that owns KSL...
 
That was because of Radio Americas / Radio Swan, a 50 kw anti-Castro station operated first on 1165 and then on 1160 with virulent anticastro propaganda. The station was "owned" by the Gibraltar Steamship Company and had a Miami office right off Flagler
What kind of propaganda was it? Do you remember much about the messaging? Were they broadcasting outright lies, like classical agitprop? Or was it primarily white propaganda (truths the Cuban government rather its people not hear)?

Also as soon as I saw your quotes on the word "owned", I instantly thought to ask whether you felt it may have been a CIA front. But your answer came as soon as I read your subsequent post. Sounds like the kind of adventure that would have been fun as a kid in deed, but a little alarming to think back to from the perspective of an older, wiser adult.
If you do a search at World Radio History for "Cuba jamming" under Broadcasting you will find that this was a concern as far back as 1949.
Do you suppose it goes without saying that anything Cuba had for successfully interfering with American broadcasts was being supplied by the Soviets?
 
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