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yeoldeschool said:
I love how the first guy to like Michael's post above is called "High Standards."

Also, I thought most classical music people were audiophiles, or semi-audiophiles. Does it make sense to divide IBOC's measly bandwidth three ways to offer something intended for very choosy listeners twice, with the only difference being announcers? I'm thinking that puts each classical subchannel at around 32 kbit/s ... at that rate, I would almost prefer the AM.
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Only the most snobbish are audiophiles. I care more about how it’s programmed, and KMozart is heavy on romantic era and later, with very little baroque era, or if they do play it they avoid the versions on period instruments like the abomination known as harpsichord.

Their stream is decent for audio quality but admittedly could be better. I have heard plenty of public outlets make classical shine on HD radio. The world evolved long ago with how we can get decent audio at low bitrates.

And my handle is a reference to standards music, so there’s that.
 
TheBigA said:
Hmmm, they were over-regulated out of business. Is that what you want? The equivalent would be the FCC forcing radio to do certain formats.
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Sorry, I was talking about the late 19th century railroads and thought it would be obvious that I couldn't have meant a later period (where paved roads and trucking made viable freight competition finally viable). With respect to the late 19th century, before trucking or paved roads, the railroads were famous for being able to make or break industries or even entire towns. That is the level of control I oppose. If there is only one combine setting music rates and they decide to set them so high only the deepest pockets can deal with them, society has a choice: break up those combines or let all the little players be bankrupted.

So no I'm not in favor of horrible overreach like the federal government dictating formats. I just want enough safeguards in place so those who're not financial giants can afford to have their own formats. If an independent owner, Saul, cannot stream K-Surf because it would put him in the red, we're in old timey railroad country for sure.
 
HighStandards said:
Only the most snobbish are audiophiles. I care more about how it’s programmed, and KMozart is heavy on romantic era and later, with very little baroque era, or if they do play it they avoid the versions on period instruments like the abomination known as harpsichord.
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My father was a co-founder of the Cleveland Symphony. My mother was on the board after his death, as was my sister. I managed one classical station and owned another, and even traveled from South America to Europe to attend concerts.

Nobody in my family, self included, and none of my classical music follower friends was particularly into high end audio. Yes, they wanted "good" sound but the content, not the equipment, was the obsession.
 
HighStandards said:
Only the most snobbish are audiophiles. I care more about how it’s programmed, and KMozart is heavy on romantic era and later, with very little baroque era, or if they do play it they avoid the versions on period instruments like the abomination known as harpsichord.
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I once showed an old friend, a classical music lover far from the Los Angeles area, the KUSC stream. He seemed to think they were only playing the "top 40" of the genre and turned his nose up at it. I wonder how he would look at K-Mozart.

Their stream is decent for audio quality but admittedly could be better. I have heard plenty of public outlets make classical shine on HD radio. The world evolved long ago with how we can get decent audio at low bitrates.
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I'm listening to http://playerservices.streamtheworld.com/api/livestream-redirect/KKGOHD2AAC_SC (64 kbit/s HE-AAC) and it is much better than the IBOC stream. I still wish that I could live in a universe where nobody streamed at less than 256 kbit/s AAC-LC, however. I don't consider myself a snob, but I was someone whose ears were very sensitive in his youth and I learned to loathe the sound of lossy coding very early on. I can no longer hear 19 kHz pilot tones leaking out of cheaply designed FM tuners (a blessing of sorts), but I still hear spectral band replication and general lossy coding artifacts.

And my handle is a reference to standards music, so there’s that.
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Eh, I just thought it was funny that someone named "High Standards" liked another person's threatening of his tuner with a violent death for the dearth of quality listening material. :)
 
yeoldeschool said:
I once showed an old friend, a classical music lover far from the Los Angeles area, the KUSC stream. He seemed to think they were only playing the "top 40" of the genre and turned his nose up at it. I wonder how he would look at K-Mozart.
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When my market had only 2 FMs, one of them was classical (actually, classical after 4 PM and paid embassy programs the rest of the day). If I selected anything baroque or anything composed after the later 1880's, I'd get phone calls or, even, people approaching me in restaurants to tell me of their discontent.

Since both of my FMs were commercial, and not run by a cultural enrichment group, I listened to them and played "the hits".

And this was in the later 60's, yet both stations were profitable... the other FM with a Latin Beautiful Music format was immensely profitable, in fact. The classical station made most of its money from the paid embassy shows, but overall was very worth while.
 
yeoldeschool said:
I once showed an old friend, a classical music lover far from the Los Angeles area, the KUSC stream. He seemed to think they were only playing the "top 40" of the genre and turned his nose up at it. I wonder how he would look at K-Mozart.


I'm listening to http://playerservices.streamtheworld.com/api/livestream-redirect/KKGOHD2AAC_SC (64 kbit/s HE-AAC) and it is much better than the IBOC stream. I still wish that I could live in a universe where nobody streamed at less than 256 kbit/s AAC-LC, however. I don't consider myself a snob, but I was someone whose ears were very sensitive in his youth and I learned to loathe the sound of lossy coding very early on. I can no longer hear 19 kHz pilot tones leaking out of cheaply designed FM tuners (a blessing of sorts), but I still hear spectral band replication and general lossy coding artifacts.


Eh, I just thought it was funny that someone named "High Standards" liked another person's threatening of his tuner with a violent death for the dearth of quality listening material. :)
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It’s fascinating how what’s old is new again in many ways. We started with mono AM, and then stereo was everything until we came along with iPhones that were originally mono, and Sonos speakers at a premium price in mono, unless you buy a set. Whether the medium or quality, my ears / brain adjust. But I’m with you when it comes to the super low bitrate audio - the swirly sound can be aggravating and awful.

I used to hear the high pitched noise from old CRT TVs and computer monitors. 😬 glad those fell from favor
 
DavidEduardo said:
When my market had only 2 FMs, one of them was classical (actually, classical after 4 PM and paid embassy programs the rest of the day). If I selected anything baroque or anything composed after the later 1880's, I'd get phone calls or, even, people approaching me in restaurants to tell me of their discontent.
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In restaurants? How on earth did they know you were the guy on (or programming) the radio? :eek:
 
yeoldeschool said:
If there is only one combine setting music rates and they decide to set them so high only the deepest pockets can deal with them, society has a choice: break up those combines or let all the little players be bankrupted.
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This is what radio is telling congress. If you impose this royalty on radio, you can't force rates to be set by unelected judges. There will need to be competition in rates the way there are in publishing. The music industry refuses to sign on to that deal. So we're at a stalemate. The digital law was written in such a way that there is no competition. It's a legal monopoly. For now.
 
yeoldeschool said:
In restaurants? How on earth did they know you were the guy on (or programming) the radio? :eek:
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I was the owner of the two stations as well as seven other stations in the market, and very well known by the kind of people who went to the restaurants and clubs I went to. It was not uncommon for people to make program remarks to me on such occasions.

Or "I just heard my ad an think it is time to change. Have your salesman come by this week". Of course, I would not be expected to deal with a contract or copy as I was the owner.

I ran the first FM non-commercial for a year. When one client convinced me to accept his ads over a lunch, I agreed finally and he said "so send your representative with a contract". While we had agreed on terms, we'd never to the paperwork ourselves. And when I ran into him a few weeks later at Le Chalet Suisse, he even sent a bottle of wine to my table!
 
Keep in mind kkgo flips to all Christmas Thanksgiving weekend so saul doesn't have much time to make a dent in the shares only 2 months and my understanding is the all Christmas music will be country based artist no other genres
 
30james said:
Keep in mind kkgo flips to all Christmas Thanksgiving weekend so saul doesn't have much time to make a dent in the shares only 2 months and my understanding is the all Christmas music will be country based artist no other genres
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Have we really gone 111 posts without at least four of us pointing out that this is not about ratings? At most, it's a value-added combo ad situation, but likely won't even be that because....1260 AM in Los Angeles in 2024.








We have said that, right? More than once?
 
TheBigA said:
Hmmm, they were over-regulated out of business. Is that what you want? The equivalent would be the FCC forcing radio to do certain formats.

That's what we're about to see with tech companies. Government wants to break up Google. We'll see where that goes.
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The government doesn't want to tell Google what to do. Google is an effective monopoly in several areas and is in violation of anti-trust laws. The government simply wants to restore legitimate competition to the marketplace.
 
michael hagerty said:
Have we really gone 111 posts without at least four of us pointing out that this is not about ratings? At most, it's a value-added combo ad situation, but likely won't even be that because....1260 AM in Los Angeles in 2024.

We have said that, right? More than once?
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Yes, but certain people here read ratings (or lack of same) differently than the rest of us.

Post #115.
 
michael hagerty said:
Have we really gone 111 posts without at least four of us pointing out that this is not about ratings? At most, it's a value-added combo ad situation, but likely won't even be that because....1260 AM in Los Angeles in 2024.








We have said that, right? More than once?
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I predict 1260 will get a 0.5 or 1 sometime this year in the ratings
 
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