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1480 KPHX: No Laughing Matter
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mr_carlson
Guest
> Sometime yesterday KPHX switched to Music Of Your Life. No
> magic liners or anything, just the format so far.
>
Let me be the first to welcome "Music of Your Death" back to Valley airwaves.
> magic liners or anything, just the format so far.
>
Let me be the first to welcome "Music of Your Death" back to Valley airwaves.
> > Sometime yesterday KPHX switched to Music Of Your Life. No
>
> > magic liners or anything, just the format so far.
> >
> Let me be the first to welcome "Music of Your Death" back to
> Valley airwaves.
>
I kinda liked All Comedy Radio. Ironically, it was best when it started to tank. They were starting to mostly play stand-up bits. No more Gary Coleman and almost none of those painfully unfunny prank phone calls. Just lots of jokes. Oh well.
>
> > magic liners or anything, just the format so far.
> >
> Let me be the first to welcome "Music of Your Death" back to
> Valley airwaves.
>
I kinda liked All Comedy Radio. Ironically, it was best when it started to tank. They were starting to mostly play stand-up bits. No more Gary Coleman and almost none of those painfully unfunny prank phone calls. Just lots of jokes. Oh well.
M
mr_carlson
Guest
Since All Comedy gave way to something even worse...
> > > Sometime yesterday KPHX switched to Music Of Your Life.
> No
> >
> > > magic liners or anything, just the format so far.
> > >
> > Let me be the first to welcome "Music of Your Death" back
> to
> > Valley airwaves.
> >
>
>
> I kinda liked All Comedy Radio. Ironically, it was best
> when it started to tank. They were starting to mostly play
> stand-up bits. No more Gary Coleman and almost none of
> those painfully unfunny prank phone calls. Just lots of
> jokes. Oh well.
>
If you want to listen to a lot of comedy bits, both XM and Sirius have great comedy channels, far better than the repetition of bad promos and TERRIBLE spots the KPHX had.
Even though I think Sirius is a better product overall, XM's comedy channel is much better. Sirius spends too much time playing the monumentally unfunny Jim Brewer Show (3 hours 2x/day) and The Wise Guys.
> > > Sometime yesterday KPHX switched to Music Of Your Life.
> No
> >
> > > magic liners or anything, just the format so far.
> > >
> > Let me be the first to welcome "Music of Your Death" back
> to
> > Valley airwaves.
> >
>
>
> I kinda liked All Comedy Radio. Ironically, it was best
> when it started to tank. They were starting to mostly play
> stand-up bits. No more Gary Coleman and almost none of
> those painfully unfunny prank phone calls. Just lots of
> jokes. Oh well.
>
If you want to listen to a lot of comedy bits, both XM and Sirius have great comedy channels, far better than the repetition of bad promos and TERRIBLE spots the KPHX had.
Even though I think Sirius is a better product overall, XM's comedy channel is much better. Sirius spends too much time playing the monumentally unfunny Jim Brewer Show (3 hours 2x/day) and The Wise Guys.
Re: Since All Comedy gave way to something even worse...
> If you want to listen to a lot of comedy bits, both XM and
> Sirius have great comedy channels, far better than the
> repetition of bad promos and TERRIBLE spots the KPHX had.
>
> Even though I think Sirius is a better product overall, XM's
> comedy channel is much better. Sirius spends too much time
> playing the monumentally unfunny Jim Brewer Show (3 hours
> 2x/day) and The Wise Guys.
XM's uncensored comedy channel is hilarious, as is the new Canadian uncensored channel. Granted KPHX couldn't compete with that, but the ACR format is much better suited for filling that extra two hours on the weekend, or overnights, than as a 24/7 format. Maybe they'll cut a deal with KZON for weekend overnights or something similar to maintain a Phoenix clearance, although since the February check never arrived, I'm sure that's the least of their worries.
> If you want to listen to a lot of comedy bits, both XM and
> Sirius have great comedy channels, far better than the
> repetition of bad promos and TERRIBLE spots the KPHX had.
>
> Even though I think Sirius is a better product overall, XM's
> comedy channel is much better. Sirius spends too much time
> playing the monumentally unfunny Jim Brewer Show (3 hours
> 2x/day) and The Wise Guys.
XM's uncensored comedy channel is hilarious, as is the new Canadian uncensored channel. Granted KPHX couldn't compete with that, but the ACR format is much better suited for filling that extra two hours on the weekend, or overnights, than as a 24/7 format. Maybe they'll cut a deal with KZON for weekend overnights or something similar to maintain a Phoenix clearance, although since the February check never arrived, I'm sure that's the least of their worries.
Re: Since All Comedy gave way to something even worse...
> XM's uncensored comedy channel is hilarious, as is the new
> Canadian uncensored channel. Granted KPHX couldn't compete
> with that, but the ACR format is much better suited for
> filling that extra two hours on the weekend, or overnights,
> than as a 24/7 format. Maybe they'll cut a deal with KZON
> for weekend overnights or something similar to maintain a
> Phoenix clearance, although since the February check never
> arrived, I'm sure that's the least of their worries.
Another sign of ACR's pending demise is the fact that its Vice President of Affiliate Relations landed a PD job with Bonneville in Chicago last week.
Now, can we start speculating if the MoYL network on 1480 is just a placeholder until the owners of KPHX can finalize a deal with Air America Phoenix? I didn't even hear the required top-of-the-hour ID's during my short time listening to 1480 today.
> XM's uncensored comedy channel is hilarious, as is the new
> Canadian uncensored channel. Granted KPHX couldn't compete
> with that, but the ACR format is much better suited for
> filling that extra two hours on the weekend, or overnights,
> than as a 24/7 format. Maybe they'll cut a deal with KZON
> for weekend overnights or something similar to maintain a
> Phoenix clearance, although since the February check never
> arrived, I'm sure that's the least of their worries.
Another sign of ACR's pending demise is the fact that its Vice President of Affiliate Relations landed a PD job with Bonneville in Chicago last week.
Now, can we start speculating if the MoYL network on 1480 is just a placeholder until the owners of KPHX can finalize a deal with Air America Phoenix? I didn't even hear the required top-of-the-hour ID's during my short time listening to 1480 today.
K
KeithE
Guest
KPHX is a poor choice for Air America
> Now, can we start speculating if the MoYL network on 1480 is
> just a placeholder until the owners of KPHX can finalize a
> deal with Air America Phoenix? I didn't even hear the
> required top-of-the-hour ID's during my short time listening
> to 1480 today.
I could just barely hear KPHX after 6 PM while driving from Scottsdale, thru Tempe, and into Ahwahtukee tonight. 500 watts with a pattern that mostly covers the city won't cut it. If Air American can't reach its potential audience near ASU and in Scottsdale, then why bother? They're barely audible where I live, near I-10 & Ray Rd.
Even their daytime pattern has problems in north Scottsdale, although it should be OK in the rest of the valley. But they might have the same problem that ACR had: Who knows they're there? They'll really need to promote a move to 1480 should that happen.
> Now, can we start speculating if the MoYL network on 1480 is
> just a placeholder until the owners of KPHX can finalize a
> deal with Air America Phoenix? I didn't even hear the
> required top-of-the-hour ID's during my short time listening
> to 1480 today.
I could just barely hear KPHX after 6 PM while driving from Scottsdale, thru Tempe, and into Ahwahtukee tonight. 500 watts with a pattern that mostly covers the city won't cut it. If Air American can't reach its potential audience near ASU and in Scottsdale, then why bother? They're barely audible where I live, near I-10 & Ray Rd.
Even their daytime pattern has problems in north Scottsdale, although it should be OK in the rest of the valley. But they might have the same problem that ACR had: Who knows they're there? They'll really need to promote a move to 1480 should that happen.
Re: KPHX is a poor choice for Air America
> > I didn't even hear the
> > required top-of-the-hour ID's during my short time
> listening
> > to 1480 today.
Nor did I, at 3pm or 4pm.
> I could just barely hear KPHX after 6 PM while driving from
> Scottsdale, thru Tempe, and into Ahwahtukee tonight. 500
> watts with a pattern that mostly covers the city won't cut
> it. If Air American can't reach its potential audience near
> ASU and in Scottsdale, then why bother? They're barely
> audible where I live, near I-10 & Ray Rd.
>
> Even their daytime pattern has problems in north Scottsdale,
> although it should be OK in the rest of the valley. But
> they might have the same problem that ACR had: Who knows
> they're there? They'll really need to promote a move to
> 1480 should that happen.
Well, that's their only real choice short of coming up with $4-5 million. While the folks over at 1480 don't think libtalk would be a huge moneymaker, they'd surely be thrilled to get the same lease payment that ACR stopped making as of yesterday. I've easily gotten KPHX during the day in Cave Creek and Carefree, and have found that they die, to the northeast, around Desert Ridge at night. Considering their tower is around 29th Ave and Roeser, I'd say that's not too bad.
Those who are (soon to be) homeless can't demand top-floor Orpheum Lofts.
> > I didn't even hear the
> > required top-of-the-hour ID's during my short time
> listening
> > to 1480 today.
Nor did I, at 3pm or 4pm.
> I could just barely hear KPHX after 6 PM while driving from
> Scottsdale, thru Tempe, and into Ahwahtukee tonight. 500
> watts with a pattern that mostly covers the city won't cut
> it. If Air American can't reach its potential audience near
> ASU and in Scottsdale, then why bother? They're barely
> audible where I live, near I-10 & Ray Rd.
>
> Even their daytime pattern has problems in north Scottsdale,
> although it should be OK in the rest of the valley. But
> they might have the same problem that ACR had: Who knows
> they're there? They'll really need to promote a move to
> 1480 should that happen.
Well, that's their only real choice short of coming up with $4-5 million. While the folks over at 1480 don't think libtalk would be a huge moneymaker, they'd surely be thrilled to get the same lease payment that ACR stopped making as of yesterday. I've easily gotten KPHX during the day in Cave Creek and Carefree, and have found that they die, to the northeast, around Desert Ridge at night. Considering their tower is around 29th Ave and Roeser, I'd say that's not too bad.
Those who are (soon to be) homeless can't demand top-floor Orpheum Lofts.
Re: KPHX is a poor choice for Air America
> Well, that's their only real choice short of coming up with
> $4-5 million. While the folks over at 1480 don't think
> libtalk would be a huge moneymaker, they'd surely be
> thrilled to get the same lease payment that ACR stopped
> making as of yesterday. I've easily gotten KPHX during the
> day in Cave Creek and Carefree, and have found that they
> die, to the northeast, around Desert Ridge at night.
> Considering their tower is around 29th Ave and Roeser, I'd
> say that's not too bad.
Was Air America Phoenix overexaggerating by saying they've become profitable in a matter of months? If not, there shouldn't be a problem for them to carry that over to KPHX. Sure, they'd lose the coverage area which they've enjoyed during the day with the 1010 frequency, including coverage in Prescott and other parts of North Central Arizona, but even a move to 1480 will make a good deal of their fans happy.
Besides, if very few Hispanics listen to Spanish-language formats on the AM dial, how are they supposed to make money by reverting back to one?
> Well, that's their only real choice short of coming up with
> $4-5 million. While the folks over at 1480 don't think
> libtalk would be a huge moneymaker, they'd surely be
> thrilled to get the same lease payment that ACR stopped
> making as of yesterday. I've easily gotten KPHX during the
> day in Cave Creek and Carefree, and have found that they
> die, to the northeast, around Desert Ridge at night.
> Considering their tower is around 29th Ave and Roeser, I'd
> say that's not too bad.
Was Air America Phoenix overexaggerating by saying they've become profitable in a matter of months? If not, there shouldn't be a problem for them to carry that over to KPHX. Sure, they'd lose the coverage area which they've enjoyed during the day with the 1010 frequency, including coverage in Prescott and other parts of North Central Arizona, but even a move to 1480 will make a good deal of their fans happy.
Besides, if very few Hispanics listen to Spanish-language formats on the AM dial, how are they supposed to make money by reverting back to one?
L
legend_city
Guest
Damn.
Gotta program another station on my AM.
Any suggestions?
Probably gonna be 1510.
Gotta program another station on my AM.
Any suggestions?
Probably gonna be 1510.
Re: KPHX is a poor choice for Air America
> Was Air America Phoenix overexaggerating by saying they've
> become profitable in a matter of months? If not, there
> shouldn't be a problem for them to carry that over to KPHX.
> Sure, they'd lose the coverage area which they've enjoyed
> during the day with the 1010 frequency, including coverage
> in Prescott and other parts of North Central Arizona, but
> even a move to 1480 will make a good deal of their fans
> happy.
Seeing that they don't show up in the Flagstaff-Prescott book, I'd say the coverage is basically a novelty. They're a Phoenix station. Maybe it matters if you're KFNX and the coverage in Tucson and other points south serves as a "wow" factor for closing show hosts with egos, but otherwise, nope.
> Besides, if very few Hispanics listen to Spanish-language
> formats on the AM dial, how are they supposed to make money
> by reverting back to one?
Why does Salem run Christian teaching stations? Because that's what they know. The KPHX ownership has owned a number of Spanish language stations in the western U.S. and has slowly sold them to Clear Channel and similar operators (he once owned two stations in Albuquerque which were sold to CC, one of which is now libtalk). Why should they try to screw around with a format they don't know to make a few extra bucks? The station is paid for and the out-of-state owners don't really care about making huge amounts of money.
> Was Air America Phoenix overexaggerating by saying they've
> become profitable in a matter of months? If not, there
> shouldn't be a problem for them to carry that over to KPHX.
> Sure, they'd lose the coverage area which they've enjoyed
> during the day with the 1010 frequency, including coverage
> in Prescott and other parts of North Central Arizona, but
> even a move to 1480 will make a good deal of their fans
> happy.
Seeing that they don't show up in the Flagstaff-Prescott book, I'd say the coverage is basically a novelty. They're a Phoenix station. Maybe it matters if you're KFNX and the coverage in Tucson and other points south serves as a "wow" factor for closing show hosts with egos, but otherwise, nope.
> Besides, if very few Hispanics listen to Spanish-language
> formats on the AM dial, how are they supposed to make money
> by reverting back to one?
Why does Salem run Christian teaching stations? Because that's what they know. The KPHX ownership has owned a number of Spanish language stations in the western U.S. and has slowly sold them to Clear Channel and similar operators (he once owned two stations in Albuquerque which were sold to CC, one of which is now libtalk). Why should they try to screw around with a format they don't know to make a few extra bucks? The station is paid for and the out-of-state owners don't really care about making huge amounts of money.
K
KeithE
Guest
KFNN
> Damn.
>
> Gotta program another station on my AM.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Probably gonna be 1510.
Nah, they actually make money with their business-news (plus O'Reilly & Colmes) format. Besides, KFNN has no nighttime signal outside of far-north Phoenix (100 watts).
I don't see anything changing there. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
> Damn.
>
> Gotta program another station on my AM.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Probably gonna be 1510.
Nah, they actually make money with their business-news (plus O'Reilly & Colmes) format. Besides, KFNN has no nighttime signal outside of far-north Phoenix (100 watts).
I don't see anything changing there. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
A
azradioguy
Guest
> Damn.
>
> Gotta program another station on my AM.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Probably gonna be 1510.
>
I think Elster missed the question you asked. I think he thought you were asking where that format should go. I've been pleasantly surprised with KFNN. Given their limitations signal-wise, they sound tight and sharp.
>
> Gotta program another station on my AM.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Probably gonna be 1510.
>
I think Elster missed the question you asked. I think he thought you were asking where that format should go. I've been pleasantly surprised with KFNN. Given their limitations signal-wise, they sound tight and sharp.
K
KeithE
Guest
Re: KFNN's signal
> I think Elster missed the question you asked. I think he
> thought you were asking where that format should go. I've
> been pleasantly surprised with KFNN. Given their
> limitations signal-wise, they sound tight and sharp.
That is what I thought he was asking.
And, KFNN's daytime signal is fine for what they're doing. Business news is mostly a daytime (business-hours) thing anyway. They could do without O'Reilly, though.
> I think Elster missed the question you asked. I think he
> thought you were asking where that format should go. I've
> been pleasantly surprised with KFNN. Given their
> limitations signal-wise, they sound tight and sharp.
That is what I thought he was asking.
And, KFNN's daytime signal is fine for what they're doing. Business news is mostly a daytime (business-hours) thing anyway. They could do without O'Reilly, though.
L
legend_city
Guest
I don't know if a comedy network can last on over the air radio.
I certainly know "Music of your life" can't last long.
Maybe in 20 years we will be hearing the Rolling Stones on Music of Your Life?
LOL
I certainly know "Music of your life" can't last long.
Maybe in 20 years we will be hearing the Rolling Stones on Music of Your Life?
LOL
M
mr_carlson
Guest
> I don't know if a comedy network can last on over the air
> radio.
>
> I certainly know "Music of your life" can't last long.
>
> Maybe in 20 years we will be hearing the Rolling Stones on
> Music of Your Life?
>
> LOL
>
No kidding. The few MOYL listeners that still breath without rolling oxygen tanks make KOY listeners look like immature ruffians.
Yep, when we're that old, MOYL will be playing Stones, Floyd, The Beatles & The Moody Blues. KOY will be playing Van Halen, Styx, Elton John and U2.
> radio.
>
> I certainly know "Music of your life" can't last long.
>
> Maybe in 20 years we will be hearing the Rolling Stones on
> Music of Your Life?
>
> LOL
>
No kidding. The few MOYL listeners that still breath without rolling oxygen tanks make KOY listeners look like immature ruffians.
Yep, when we're that old, MOYL will be playing Stones, Floyd, The Beatles & The Moody Blues. KOY will be playing Van Halen, Styx, Elton John and U2.
Re: KFNN
> Nah, they actually make money with their business-news (plus
> O'Reilly & Colmes) format. Besides, KFNN has no nighttime
> signal outside of far-north Phoenix (100 watts).
Colmes has been gone for quite awhile; paid financial talk 'til 9, and Bruce Williams, the alleged crown jewel of their nighttime lineup, 'til midnight.
They do come in relatively OK in the Camelback corridor at night.
> Nah, they actually make money with their business-news (plus
> O'Reilly & Colmes) format. Besides, KFNN has no nighttime
> signal outside of far-north Phoenix (100 watts).
Colmes has been gone for quite awhile; paid financial talk 'til 9, and Bruce Williams, the alleged crown jewel of their nighttime lineup, 'til midnight.
They do come in relatively OK in the Camelback corridor at night.
M
maximumradio
Guest
Re: kphx acn
> i'm gonna miss miss kerri kasem
>
> > http://www.kerrikasem.com/
I would have thought that picking up The Touch from ABC would have been the logical shift giving the market it's only Urban Adult format in years and something that when it was on 1230 generated numbers even when competing with 106.9. By the way- I believe that KPHX was one of three stations owned and operated by ACR. They sold Kansas City a few months ago but still have something else as an o&o-perhaps Portland.
>
> i'm gonna miss miss kerri kasem
>
> > http://www.kerrikasem.com/
I would have thought that picking up The Touch from ABC would have been the logical shift giving the market it's only Urban Adult format in years and something that when it was on 1230 generated numbers even when competing with 106.9. By the way- I believe that KPHX was one of three stations owned and operated by ACR. They sold Kansas City a few months ago but still have something else as an o&o-perhaps Portland.
>
Re: kphx acn
> I would have thought that picking up The Touch from ABC
> would have been the logical shift giving the market it's
> only Urban Adult format in years and something that when it
> was on 1230 generated numbers even when competing with
> 106.9. By the way- I believe that KPHX was one of three
> stations owned and operated by ACR. They sold Kansas City a
> few months ago but still have something else as an
> o&o-perhaps Portland.
MOYL is filler, and probably easier to dump contractually when a lessee comes check in hand. If it weren't for FreeFM, I'm pretty sure KPHX would have tried to minimize losses by filling with some of those type of talk shows and billing ACR for fewer hours. Although, how much is left in the comedy coffers is, of course, unknown.
ACR did not own KPHX; they leased it. Hence the quick exit - no payment, new locks. KCMD/Portland is also not an O&O; it's owned by CBS. Presumably, the network is paying for the hours they get, however, local programmers put WW1 product Tom Leykis on live, followed by Phil Hendrie, both casualties of hot talker MAX 910. KCKN/Kansas City WAS owned by the network, but they sold it and, AFAIK, are leasing it back. It's still 24/7 ACR, but they got a couple million to bank.
So, ACR owned one station, owns none now, just lost it's biggest fulltime presence, and as icing on the cake, a quick check of their parttime affiliate list shows that about half of those stations have flipped from the formats where it made sense to run comedy. The ticking seems to be getting louder...
> I would have thought that picking up The Touch from ABC
> would have been the logical shift giving the market it's
> only Urban Adult format in years and something that when it
> was on 1230 generated numbers even when competing with
> 106.9. By the way- I believe that KPHX was one of three
> stations owned and operated by ACR. They sold Kansas City a
> few months ago but still have something else as an
> o&o-perhaps Portland.
MOYL is filler, and probably easier to dump contractually when a lessee comes check in hand. If it weren't for FreeFM, I'm pretty sure KPHX would have tried to minimize losses by filling with some of those type of talk shows and billing ACR for fewer hours. Although, how much is left in the comedy coffers is, of course, unknown.
ACR did not own KPHX; they leased it. Hence the quick exit - no payment, new locks. KCMD/Portland is also not an O&O; it's owned by CBS. Presumably, the network is paying for the hours they get, however, local programmers put WW1 product Tom Leykis on live, followed by Phil Hendrie, both casualties of hot talker MAX 910. KCKN/Kansas City WAS owned by the network, but they sold it and, AFAIK, are leasing it back. It's still 24/7 ACR, but they got a couple million to bank.
So, ACR owned one station, owns none now, just lost it's biggest fulltime presence, and as icing on the cake, a quick check of their parttime affiliate list shows that about half of those stations have flipped from the formats where it made sense to run comedy. The ticking seems to be getting louder...
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