1480 WEEO Shippensburg

[travis]

I see WEEO was bought by the son of WIOO's owner. Any simulcast plans in the future or is 1480 sticking with ESPN?

 

[BL40Modulimiter]

Last I knew they were running oldies from VHS tapes. No one home. I did hear it was sold.

I see WEEO was bought by the son of WIOO's owner. Any
> simulcast plans in the future or is 1480 sticking with ESPN?
>

 

[penandpad]

> I see WEEO was bought by the son of WIOO's owner. Any
> simulcast plans in the future or is 1480 sticking with ESPN?

Are they even on the air nowadays? I can't pick 'em up here in Carlisle.

And yeah, I thought they had flipped to oldies/standards/something else.

 

[listner2]

> Last I knew they were running oldies from VHS tapes. No one
> home. I did hear it was sold.
>
> I see WEEO was bought by the son of WIOO's owner. Any
> > simulcast plans in the future or is 1480 sticking with
> ESPN?
> >
>
Good luck to em! I've been involved with take overs of two of Simpson's AMs. They are disasters! Wires twisted together. Transmitters rigged to stay on without parts that are supposed to be there. A bunch of relays and cart machines for a satellite automation system. The last one had NO peak processing or NRSC limiting. Needless to say, they had to run it at 30% mod to keep the xmtr from overloading. One of them had BED POSTS for an arc gap on the tower. That may still be there if the tower hasn't fallen over yet. It was all twisted. Simpsons are great guys, but they apparently woudn't spend anything on the am's.

 

[BL40Modulimiter]

> > Last I knew they were running oldies from VHS tapes. No
> one
> > home. I did hear it was sold.
> >
> > I see WEEO was bought by the son of WIOO's owner. Any
> > > simulcast plans in the future or is 1480 sticking with
> > ESPN?
> > >
> >
> Good luck to em! I've been involved with take overs of two
> of Simpson's AMs. They are disasters! Wires twisted
> together. Transmitters rigged to stay on without parts that
> are supposed to be there. A bunch of relays and cart
> machines for a satellite automation system. The last one had
> NO peak processing or NRSC limiting. Needless to say, they
> had to run it at 30% mod to keep the xmtr from overloading.
> One of them had BED POSTS for an arc gap on the tower. That
> may still be there if the tower hasn't fallen over yet. It
> was all twisted. Simpsons are great guys, but they
> apparently woudn't spend anything on the am's.

This one's not quite that bad---there's a Harris MW1 solid-state transmitter---and a new Valcom antenna. But the signal really is awful, I'm guessing audio processing---as in, there isn't any. I've heard legendary descriptions of his stations, though---but he IS a really good guy from what I hear. Seemed very nice when I talked to him.

Cheers!

>

 

[mountaineer]

Look for a power boost

This little piece of s--- property might turn into something. Here's my reasoning. Before Simpson bought it & flipped the calls to WEEO (old calls from the Waynesboro Top 40 gun of the 70s), 1480 was WSHP and was owned for 30+ years by Art Greiner--a guy cut from Simpson's cloth. Held it together with clothespins & rubber bands. Long after AM daytimers had either upgraded or died, Art held firm on spending zero dollars and kept it at 500 watts, non-directional, daytime-only. Lot of us old engineers thought he had plenty of clearance to kick it up to 1-kw or 5-kw fulltime with a 3-or-4 tower rig. But as time went on and AM became less viable, nobody had the balls or motivation to buy it and do the upgrade. Swidler does. They've been trying for years to upgrade WIOO--have spent a good bit of time & money on it--but keep getting blocked. My guess is they'll move it halfway (Newville?) to Carlisle, maybe even closer, and fire up a 5,000-watter with the primary lobe shooting at Ship and the back lobe covering Carlisle. Could possibly diplex it with WIOO to give the ol' "flagship" a stronger signal. Or just let 1480 replace 1000--and sell the calls to a major-market FM @ 100-point-something and make an easy million.


> > Good luck to em! I've been involved with take overs of two
>
> > of Simpson's AMs. They are disasters! Wires twisted
> > together. Transmitters rigged to stay on without parts
> that
> > are supposed to be there. A bunch of relays and cart
> > machines for a satellite automation system. The last one
> had
> > NO peak processing or NRSC limiting. Needless to say, they
>
> > had to run it at 30% mod to keep the xmtr from
> overloading.
> > One of them had BED POSTS for an arc gap on the tower.
> That
> > may still be there if the tower hasn't fallen over yet. It
>
> > was all twisted. Simpsons are great guys, but they
> > apparently woudn't spend anything on the am's.
>
> This one's not quite that bad---there's a Harris MW1
> solid-state transmitter---and a new Valcom antenna. But the
> signal really is awful, I'm guessing audio processing---as
> in, there isn't any. I've heard legendary descriptions of
> his stations, though---but he IS a really good guy from what
> I hear. Seemed very nice when I talked to him.
>
> Cheers!
>
> >
>

 

[jabberjacker]

> Good luck to em! I've been involved with take overs of two
> of Simpson's AMs. They are disasters! Wires twisted
> together. Transmitters rigged to stay on without parts that
> are supposed to be there. A bunch of relays and cart
> machines for a satellite automation system. The last one had
> NO peak processing or NRSC limiting. Needless to say, they
> had to run it at 30% mod to keep the xmtr from overloading.
> One of them had BED POSTS for an arc gap on the tower. That
> may still be there if the tower hasn't fallen over yet. It
> was all twisted. Simpsons are great guys, but they
> apparently woudn't spend anything on the am's.
>

HA! This is TOO FUNNY.
Simpson is a wonderful, sweet, caring individual ...UNTIL YOU WORK FOR HIM.

I've seen my share of shoe strings with him. he runs his stations budgets and his equipment on the same thing.<P ID="signature">______________
JabberJacker</P>

 

[BL40Modulimiter]

Re: Look for a power boost

I actually considered going for that one---you'd need a Carlisle signal to be viable. With 1480 in Shamokin being dark, I'd think 1kw should be pretty easy, maybe even non-D, and more night power as well. Not sure about 5kw toward Shippensburg---there's Latrobe to worry about that direction---but if you moved it west of town and beamed 5kw east through Ship and Carlisle, that'd be viable!

This little piece of s--- property might turn into
> something. Here's my reasoning. Before Simpson bought it &
> flipped the calls to WEEO (old calls from the Waynesboro Top
> 40 gun of the 70s), 1480 was WSHP and was owned for 30+
> years by Art Greiner--a guy cut from Simpson's cloth. Held
> it together with clothespins & rubber bands. Long after AM
> daytimers had either upgraded or died, Art held firm on
> spending zero dollars and kept it at 500 watts,
> non-directional, daytime-only. Lot of us old engineers
> thought he had plenty of clearance to kick it up to 1-kw or
> 5-kw fulltime with a 3-or-4 tower rig. But as time went on
> and AM became less viable, nobody had the balls or
> motivation to buy it and do the upgrade. Swidler does.
> They've been trying for years to upgrade WIOO--have spent a
> good bit of time & money on it--but keep getting blocked. My
> guess is they'll move it halfway (Newville?) to Carlisle,
> maybe even closer, and fire up a 5,000-watter with the
> primary lobe shooting at Ship and the back lobe covering
> Carlisle. Could possibly diplex it with WIOO to give the ol'
> "flagship" a stronger signal. Or just let 1480 replace
> 1000--and sell the calls to a major-market FM @
> 100-point-something and make an easy million.
>
>
> > > Good luck to em! I've been involved with take overs of
> two
> >
> > > of Simpson's AMs. They are disasters! Wires twisted
> > > together. Transmitters rigged to stay on without parts
> > that
> > > are supposed to be there. A bunch of relays and cart
> > > machines for a satellite automation system. The last one
>
> > had
> > > NO peak processing or NRSC limiting. Needless to say,
> they
> >
> > > had to run it at 30% mod to keep the xmtr from
> > overloading.
> > > One of them had BED POSTS for an arc gap on the tower.
> > That
> > > may still be there if the tower hasn't fallen over yet.
> It
> >
> > > was all twisted. Simpsons are great guys, but they
> > > apparently woudn't spend anything on the am's.
> >
> > This one's not quite that bad---there's a Harris MW1
> > solid-state transmitter---and a new Valcom antenna. But
> the
> > signal really is awful, I'm guessing audio processing---as
>
> > in, there isn't any. I've heard legendary descriptions of
>
> > his stations, though---but he IS a really good guy from
> what
> > I hear. Seemed very nice when I talked to him.
> >
> > Cheers!
> >
> > >
> >
>

 

[mountaineer]

Carlisle-Ship-Chambersburg

Well, you'd certainly WANT a Carlisle signal--especially if you're Swidler; but a 5-KW fulltimer blasting to the southwest would blanket Chambersburg, one of the most under-radioed markets in America. Savadove plunked down his $22 million to snag a virtual monopoly there. No, a standalone AM wouldn't cause him to lose any sleep--but there IS plenty of room for another player. Carve out a quarter-million from Chambersburg and a quarter-million from Carlisle... and another quarter-million from Shippensburg... and you've got a nice little property. Maybe even enough to pay off the construction debt. Without diving into a legitimate technical study, I'm guessing the trick is a 3-tower array between Newville & Carlisle shooting the main lobe along I-81 away from the 1460 site--but still enough back-end to bring in Carlisle. That would take the signal west of Hagerstown (1490) and southeast of Latrobe (1480). The mountains help a lot with Latrobe, too.

> I actually considered going for that one---you'd need a
> Carlisle signal to be viable. With 1480 in Shamokin being
> dark, I'd think 1kw should be pretty easy, maybe even non-D,
> and more night power as well. Not sure about 5kw toward
> Shippensburg---there's Latrobe to worry about that
> direction---but if you moved it west of town and beamed 5kw
> east through Ship and Carlisle, that'd be viable!
>
> This little piece of s--- property might turn into
> > something. Here's my reasoning. Before Simpson bought it &
>
> > flipped the calls to WEEO (old calls from the Waynesboro
> Top
> > 40 gun of the 70s), 1480 was WSHP and was owned for 30+
> > years by Art Greiner--a guy cut from Simpson's cloth. Held
>
> > it together with clothespins & rubber bands. Long after AM
>
> > daytimers had either upgraded or died, Art held firm on
> > spending zero dollars and kept it at 500 watts,
> > non-directional, daytime-only. Lot of us old engineers
> > thought he had plenty of clearance to kick it up to 1-kw
> or
> > 5-kw fulltime with a 3-or-4 tower rig. But as time went on
>
> > and AM became less viable, nobody had the balls or
> > motivation to buy it and do the upgrade. Swidler does.
> > They've been trying for years to upgrade WIOO--have spent
> a
> > good bit of time & money on it--but keep getting blocked.
> My
> > guess is they'll move it halfway (Newville?) to Carlisle,
> > maybe even closer, and fire up a 5,000-watter with the
> > primary lobe shooting at Ship and the back lobe covering
> > Carlisle. Could possibly diplex it with WIOO to give the
> ol'
> > "flagship" a stronger signal. Or just let 1480 replace
> > 1000--and sell the calls to a major-market FM @
> > 100-point-something and make an easy million.
> >
> >
> > > > Good luck to em! I've been involved with take overs of
>
> > two
> > >
> > > > of Simpson's AMs. They are disasters! Wires twisted
> > > > together. Transmitters rigged to stay on without parts
>
> > > that
> > > > are supposed to be there. A bunch of relays and cart
> > > > machines for a satellite automation system. The last
> one
> >
> > > had
> > > > NO peak processing or NRSC limiting. Needless to say,
> > they
> > >
> > > > had to run it at 30% mod to keep the xmtr from
> > > overloading.
> > > > One of them had BED POSTS for an arc gap on the tower.
>
> > > That
> > > > may still be there if the tower hasn't fallen over
> yet.
> > It
> > >
> > > > was all twisted. Simpsons are great guys, but they
> > > > apparently woudn't spend anything on the am's.
> > >
> > > This one's not quite that bad---there's a Harris MW1
> > > solid-state transmitter---and a new Valcom antenna. But
>
> > the
> > > signal really is awful, I'm guessing audio
> processing---as
> >
> > > in, there isn't any. I've heard legendary descriptions
> of
> >
> > > his stations, though---but he IS a really good guy from
> > what
> > > I hear. Seemed very nice when I talked to him.
> > >
> > > Cheers!
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

 

[BL40Modulimiter]

Re: Carlisle-Ship-Chambersburg

If I thought there was $250,000 in ad biz in Ship, I'd have bought it! You'd be lucky to get $100K from there. Chambersburg is a pretty small market---and you won't have Hagerstown, which is much larger. I think that station could do MAYBE $150,000 a year total in the foreseeable future.

> Well, you'd certainly WANT a Carlisle signal--especially if
> you're Swidler; but a 5-KW fulltimer blasting to the
> southwest would blanket Chambersburg, one of the most
> under-radioed markets in America. Savadove plunked down his
> $22 million to snag a virtual monopoly there. No, a
> standalone AM wouldn't cause him to lose any sleep--but
> there IS plenty of room for another player. Carve out a
> quarter-million from Chambersburg and a quarter-million from
> Carlisle... and another quarter-million from Shippensburg...
> and you've got a nice little property. Maybe even enough to
> pay off the construction debt. Without diving into a
> legitimate technical study, I'm guessing the trick is a
> 3-tower array between Newville & Carlisle shooting the main
> lobe along I-81 away from the 1460 site--but still enough
> back-end to bring in Carlisle. That would take the signal
> west of Hagerstown (1490) and southeast of Latrobe (1480).
> The mountains help a lot with Latrobe, too.
>
> > I actually considered going for that one---you'd need a
> > Carlisle signal to be viable. With 1480 in Shamokin being
>
> > dark, I'd think 1kw should be pretty easy, maybe even
> non-D,
> > and more night power as well. Not sure about 5kw toward
> > Shippensburg---there's Latrobe to worry about that
> > direction---but if you moved it west of town and beamed
> 5kw
> > east through Ship and Carlisle, that'd be viable!
> >
> > This little piece of s--- property might turn into
> > > something. Here's my reasoning. Before Simpson bought it
> &
> >
> > > flipped the calls to WEEO (old calls from the Waynesboro
>
> > Top
> > > 40 gun of the 70s), 1480 was WSHP and was owned for 30+
> > > years by Art Greiner--a guy cut from Simpson's cloth.
> Held
> >
> > > it together with clothespins & rubber bands. Long after
> AM
> >
> > > daytimers had either upgraded or died, Art held firm on
> > > spending zero dollars and kept it at 500 watts,
> > > non-directional, daytime-only. Lot of us old engineers
> > > thought he had plenty of clearance to kick it up to 1-kw
>
> > or
> > > 5-kw fulltime with a 3-or-4 tower rig. But as time went
> on
> >
> > > and AM became less viable, nobody had the balls or
> > > motivation to buy it and do the upgrade. Swidler does.
> > > They've been trying for years to upgrade WIOO--have
> spent
> > a
> > > good bit of time & money on it--but keep getting
> blocked.
> > My
> > > guess is they'll move it halfway (Newville?) to
> Carlisle,
> > > maybe even closer, and fire up a 5,000-watter with the
> > > primary lobe shooting at Ship and the back lobe covering
>
> > > Carlisle. Could possibly diplex it with WIOO to give the
>
> > ol'
> > > "flagship" a stronger signal. Or just let 1480 replace
> > > 1000--and sell the calls to a major-market FM @
> > > 100-point-something and make an easy million.
> > >
> > >
> > > > > Good luck to em! I've been involved with take overs
> of
> >
> > > two
> > > >
> > > > > of Simpson's AMs. They are disasters! Wires twisted
> > > > > together. Transmitters rigged to stay on without
> parts
> >
> > > > that
> > > > > are supposed to be there. A bunch of relays and cart
>
> > > > > machines for a satellite automation system. The last
>
> > one
> > >
> > > > had
> > > > > NO peak processing or NRSC limiting. Needless to
> say,
> > > they
> > > >
> > > > > had to run it at 30% mod to keep the xmtr from
> > > > overloading.
> > > > > One of them had BED POSTS for an arc gap on the
> tower.
> >
> > > > That
> > > > > may still be there if the tower hasn't fallen over
> > yet.
> > > It
> > > >
> > > > > was all twisted. Simpsons are great guys, but they
> > > > > apparently woudn't spend anything on the am's.
> > > >
> > > > This one's not quite that bad---there's a Harris MW1
> > > > solid-state transmitter---and a new Valcom antenna.
> But
> >
> > > the
> > > > signal really is awful, I'm guessing audio
> > processing---as
> > >
> > > > in, there isn't any. I've heard legendary
> descriptions
> > of
> > >
> > > > his stations, though---but he IS a really good guy
> from
> > > what
> > > > I hear. Seemed very nice when I talked to him.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers!
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>