X
X-Nooz
Guest
Anywhere CAP III goes, controversy follows.
-
Get involved.
We want your input!
Apply for Membership and join the conversations about everything related to broadcasting.
After we receive your registration, a moderator will review it. After your registration is approved, you will be permitted to post.
If you use a disposable or false email address, your registration will be rejected.
After your membership is approved, please take a minute to tell us a little bit about yourself.
https://www.radiodiscussions.com/forums/introduce-yourself.1088/
Thanks in advance and have fun!
RadioDiscussions Administrators
1520 Canton
- Thread starter pwayne1
- Start date
Re: 1520 Canton... now on 900!
Curtis Perry has revived WINW... with a twist.
Looks like he is now leasing WCER/900 from Melodynamic Broadcasting effective immediately. This stream from WCER's now-dead website confirms this.
The station is taking WINW's format and "Joy" handle, but is now known as "Joy 900 WCER."
Curtis Perry has revived WINW... with a twist.
Looks like he is now leasing WCER/900 from Melodynamic Broadcasting effective immediately. This stream from WCER's now-dead website confirms this.
The station is taking WINW's format and "Joy" handle, but is now known as "Joy 900 WCER."
Got a tip about this, and early this evening (before sunset), I heard this as well...with a voice I assume to be Curtis Perry asking people to spread the word about the New Joy 900 WCER, saying, "we just acquired it".
(Like Nathan, I assume that's another time buy/LMA deal. So what about the $300K he told the Repository he shoveled into WINW?)
No, Curtis, you are not the "owner" of WINW in the eyes of the FCC...Patrick Barb's Pinebrook Corporation is the licensee. Mr. Barb apparently didn't feel the need to validate the TBA-to-purchase deal by filing any license transfer.
Meanwhile, this new LMA is no surprise. Remember, WCER was hanging by a thread one day recently. Jack Ambrozic probably convinced his local partner that it was much less messy to keep the station on-air until, well, now, when a new party was found to lease/own it.
Despite being 500 watts vs. WINW's 1000 watts, WCER is a MUCH better facility. Even its 75 watt night power (which 1520 will never have) can reach inner city Canton and Massillon. And that 500 watts is lower on the dial and non-directional, as opposed to that tight directional pattern WINW has in the direction of Kent.
Add to that all the money it would cost to turn WINW into a decently performing facility, and, well, smart move by Curtis Perry.
Listening to that stream now (thanks, Nathan!) and it sounds horrible, with a pronounced buzz. Of course, it's still up (and WCER's website isn't) because it's part of the station's deal with Christian Netcast. I'll assume that goes away by August 1st, if not sooner, unless CAP renews that deal. He never had a website for WINW, no?
(Like Nathan, I assume that's another time buy/LMA deal. So what about the $300K he told the Repository he shoveled into WINW?)
No, Curtis, you are not the "owner" of WINW in the eyes of the FCC...Patrick Barb's Pinebrook Corporation is the licensee. Mr. Barb apparently didn't feel the need to validate the TBA-to-purchase deal by filing any license transfer.
Meanwhile, this new LMA is no surprise. Remember, WCER was hanging by a thread one day recently. Jack Ambrozic probably convinced his local partner that it was much less messy to keep the station on-air until, well, now, when a new party was found to lease/own it.
Despite being 500 watts vs. WINW's 1000 watts, WCER is a MUCH better facility. Even its 75 watt night power (which 1520 will never have) can reach inner city Canton and Massillon. And that 500 watts is lower on the dial and non-directional, as opposed to that tight directional pattern WINW has in the direction of Kent.
Add to that all the money it would cost to turn WINW into a decently performing facility, and, well, smart move by Curtis Perry.
Listening to that stream now (thanks, Nathan!) and it sounds horrible, with a pronounced buzz. Of course, it's still up (and WCER's website isn't) because it's part of the station's deal with Christian Netcast. I'll assume that goes away by August 1st, if not sooner, unless CAP renews that deal. He never had a website for WINW, no?
Verrry interesting. Prior to WCER's recent "we're-signing-off" stunt, I had heard some credible sources tell of a pending sale...but nothing mentioning any kind of deal involving CAP.
static_cling said:
I heard the same...heard that WCER stayed on at the last minute, because there may have been a potential sale. CAP III could have been kicking the tires, but he was actively trying to revitalize (D)WINW as recently as that Repository article. Don't know the timeline on the deal, or if he was trying to hammer it out while talking about 1520's effort to return.
Publicity, I guess. The TBA hadn't been finalized until last week, but even if he knew it was coming, it gets his station in the paper.
DX-midAMerica.com reports WINW is back w/Gospel as of yesterday (11-25).
There are trade reports that WINW is back, but listeners in the area (as Tim noted) are hearing nothing on 1520. I can't get them up here.
Did they briefly light up and go dark again? I have no evidence they were on at all.
And where is CAP III, anyway? Maybe I oughta drop in on downtown Canton again and see if his rented studio on West Tusc is still locked...
Did they briefly light up and go dark again? I have no evidence they were on at all.
And where is CAP III, anyway? Maybe I oughta drop in on downtown Canton again and see if his rented studio on West Tusc is still locked...
Heard no carrier on 1520 today. Was getting Laura Ingraham I assume from WJMP in Canton.
Possible that WINW was on for only one day so as to keep the license active?
I'm actually surprised that anything was being transmitted, given the multiple times WINW's transmitter was plundered for copper late last year.
I would so love to look into CAP III. There's just something that doesn't sit well with me.
I'm actually surprised that anything was being transmitted, given the multiple times WINW's transmitter was plundered for copper late last year.
I would so love to look into CAP III. There's just something that doesn't sit well with me.
Nathan Obral said:
I got word that a return of WINW was showing up in national databases. I have no idea where that came from. As far as I can tell, the station did not broadcast for any significant time. Supposedly, it was returning as gospel.
No idea where Mr. Perry is. It's not a call I'm going to make, but maybe the folks at the Urban League in Canton would know. He's still on their website as a director, though attached to 1520...
http://starkcountyul.org/?page_id=52
WINW has been reinstated, under STA.
stereolane said:
Old news. The FCC granted the STA basically IN SPITE of Pinebrook Corporation, saying the restoral of WINW was in the public interest. Here's the letter:
http://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/getimportletter_exh.cgi?import_letter_id=28165
The date on the letter in the correspondence folder is September 15th, and it gives Patrick Barb basically a 6 month clock (which would be March 2012) or whenever the pending renewal filed in July is approved, if it is. It strongly hints that Pinebrook will face some sort of sanction for not filing for timely approval.
We knew this months ago, so this is not new. The current question is, did WINW light up even for a moment, enough to trigger radio station databases?
Having gone through something similar with one of my own stations, this one seems to have a few strange twists.
OhioMediaWatch said:
With that in mind, I have but one question. What happens to WCER if WINW in fact comes back from the dead?
What happens with WINW should have no bearing on WCER. The only connection was programming for a short period of time. Bet you could but 900 for less that $50k right now.
OhioMediaWatch said:
This is akin to the "if a tree falls in the forest, and no one is there to hear it..." riddle.
Surely SOMEONE had to have listened to WINW - even if it's just one person, that person HAS to exist! Heck, there had to be someone to turn on the WINW transmitter (assuming it wasn't pilfered for copper yet again).
Then again, few noticed that WINW was still silent until days after the FCC deleted the license.
John Baylor said:
...which is all well and good, but in the apparent absence of any rush to return WCER to the local airwaves, who's looking out for its wellbeing? As a result of Mr. Perry's failed LMA and previous shenanigans at WINW, Canton currently has two stations off the air with no assurances that either one will return to the airwaves anytime soon. In the case of WINW, this may have been inevitable. Daytimer status, lack of revenue and vandals can be a fatal combination for a business. What bothers me about both stations is the apparent lack of responsibility that ultimately forced them off the air. I don't intend that last statement to come across as personal, but sometimes you have to call as you see it, right?
As for WCER, Jack Ambrozic wanted to sell the place long before the "Joy 900" experiment. So who's up for taking a stab at returning 900 to relevance? Anyone? Bueller? I have a hard time seeing a prospective owner in this economy ponying up the necessary cash. It's not a conclusion I'm happy about, but it would be a hard sell without an accompanying FM and/or a recent track record of some significance.
What about the owners of WTIG or WDPN? Would they ever think to add WCER to their stables and increase their reach in the market? A good idea for either party if you ask me.
#rubber chicken: Buying 900 makes sense if you have the money. A stand alone AM like 990 can't be making that much money, and taking $50K or so out of the bank (if you have it, or can get a loan for it) is a big reach for a small station like WTIG. As for Donny Peterson in Alliance, if he's going to spend money on an additional stick, buy an available FM (if you can find one) vs. an AM. With an FM you can still make your money back (and a profit).
When major groups are taking profitable 50kw AM's and moving them to the FM band..that tells me that AM is done. The only folks interested in buying AM properties these days are religious operators, or ethnic programmers for whom ratings and profit don't count. It's tough to make money on a band that 80% of listeners don't listen to. Look at the ratings in most cities...one, maybe 2 AM's show up in the top 10 or 20 stations. (In Cleveland, that would be WTAM and WKNR...the other 15 or so stations get a 1.0 or less...)
When major groups are taking profitable 50kw AM's and moving them to the FM band..that tells me that AM is done. The only folks interested in buying AM properties these days are religious operators, or ethnic programmers for whom ratings and profit don't count. It's tough to make money on a band that 80% of listeners don't listen to. Look at the ratings in most cities...one, maybe 2 AM's show up in the top 10 or 20 stations. (In Cleveland, that would be WTAM and WKNR...the other 15 or so stations get a 1.0 or less...)
- Status