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2 same tv affiliates in One Market

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Currently, there are only few tv stations in the US have duplicates affiliates. I wonder how long will it last.

Tampa St. Petersburg - WFTS ABC 28 / Sarasota WWSB ABC 40

Spokane Wa - KREM CBS 2 / Lewiston ID KLEW CBS 3 (semi-satellite of KIMA/KEPR Yakima/Tri-Cities WA)

Grand Rapids - Battle Creek WZZM ABC 13 / Kalamazoo MI WOTV ABC 41

Lincoln NE KLKN ABC 8 / Kearny-Hastings-Grand Island NE KHGI ABC 13

Boston WCVB ABC 5 / Manchester NH WMUR ABC 9 (Even both stations are owned by Hearst, they treat the station as separate, not satellite).

I know that the NBC stations in Atlantic City NJ (WMGM 40) / Elko NV (KENV 10) / Hagerstown MD (WHAG 25) have drop their affiliates in recent years that NBC already has an affiliate in the same market.

Is there any others duplicate affiliates in the same market that I missed?
 
RadioPatrol said:
Does PBS Affiliates count such as KQED-TV and KQEH-TV San Francisco are PBS Affiliates for the Bay Area.
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If they're under different owners, then OK. For example:

Chicago: WTTW/11 Chicago and WYIN/56 Gary IN
Indianapolis: WFYI/20 Indy, WTIU/30 Bloomington, and WIPB/49 Muncie
 
Central WA - KIMA 29 / KEPR 19 (CBS)
KNDU 25 / KNDO 23 (NBC)
KAPP 35 / KVEW 42 (ABC)
KFFX 11 / KCYU-LD 41 (FOX)

The latter three simulcast each other except for local commercials and IDs. KIMA breaks off at 5/6pm weeknights for local nx, and a prerecorded blurb from KEPR on Yakima-area news and Alan Sillence's sports at 11:00 (half of the news is simulcasted). Morning and weekend originate from Tri. Local ads are different on 29 and 19 of course.
 
San Jose used to have 2 ABC affiliates prior to 1999.
KGO-TV ABC O&O and KNTV San Jose and Monterey ABC Affiliate at the time. This was prior to Granite dropping the ABC affiliation and was in negotiations to sell KNTV to NBC as part of a deal to get NBC to have a new Bay Area Outlet when KRON-TV affiliation contract expires. Note this was happening around the same time KRON was going to become a Young Broadcasting outlet for San Francisco when NBC was negotiating with Granite to take over KNTV 11 San Jose.

Another one is KRCB Santa Rosa/San Francisco its a PBS affiliate in the Bay Area but its owned by Public Media Northern California a different entity from KQED inc (The Primary PBS affiliate).
 
It sort of depends on how the market is defined.

Pittsburgh has an NBC Affiliate, WPXI. And a CBS Affiliate, KDKA.

However, 35 miles away in Steubenville, Ohio is another NBC affiliate, WTOV.
And 55 miles away in Wheeling, WV is another CBS affiliate, WTRF. Both are
easily viewable over the air here, provided you aren't buried down in some valley.

Wheeling/Steubenville is technically considered a separate market, but in many cases
35-55 miles would easily fit into one market area.
 
Waco Texas has a history of having duplicate affiliations for their affiliates

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KWKT-TV

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KYLE-TV
KWKT-TV and KYLE-TV shared a Fox affiliation until 2015.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KWTX-TV
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KBTX-TV
KWTX and KBTX Waco share a CBS affiliation


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KCEN-TV
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KAGS-LD

KCEN and KAGS share NBC affiliation in Waco

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KXXV

KXXV and KRHD-TV share ABC Affiliation in the market.
 
crainbebo said:
Central WA - KIMA 29 / KEPR 19 (CBS)
KNDU 25 / KNDO 23 (NBC)
KAPP 35 / KVEW 42 (ABC)
KFFX 11 / KCYU-LD 41 (FOX)

The latter three simulcast each other except for local commercials and IDs. KIMA breaks off at 5/6pm weeknights for local nx, and a prerecorded blurb from KEPR on Yakima-area news and Alan Sillence's sports at 11:00 (half of the news is simulcasted). Morning and weekend originate from Tri. Local ads are different on 29 and 19 of course.
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KLEW in Lewiston is part of the Sinclair group, but last I checked they still run local newscasts. Kind of a rarity in such a small market. Lewiston also carries the Spokane affiliates. So you have two CBS affiliated in that market. Not sure if anything is blacked out.
 
Of the markets mentioned in the first post, Grand Rapids is the only one where both affiliates (ABC) have nearly full market coverage. Most of the market gets both WZZM and WOTV on cable. Sturgis and Coldwater get only WOTV on cable while Hesperia, White Cloud, Newaygo, Grant, and Lakeview (all small communities in the northern portion of the market) get only WZZM on cable. Until recently, WZZM used to serve as the default ABC affiliate for the southwest portion of the Traverse City-Cadillac market (basically south and west of a line from Manistee to Marion to Remus)
 
ftballfan said:
Of the markets mentioned in the first post, Grand Rapids is the only one where both affiliates (ABC) have nearly full market coverage. Most of the market gets both WZZM and WOTV on cable. Sturgis and Coldwater get only WOTV on cable while Hesperia, White Cloud, Newaygo, Grant, and Lakeview (all small communities in the northern portion of the market) get only WZZM on cable. Until recently, WZZM used to serve as the default ABC affiliate for the southwest portion of the Traverse City-Cadillac market (basically south and west of a line from Manistee to Marion to Remus)
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When I lived in southern Michigan, eons ago, my cable had:

3 Fox affiliates (Grand Rapids, Detroit, Toledo)
3 CBS affiliates (Lansing, Detroit, Toledo)
2 ABC affiliates (Battle Creek, Detroit)
3 NBC affiliates (Detroit, Toldeo, Jackson/Lansing)

I presume that since the Syndex rules came into being most of those are gone now.
 
Within the past several years, NBC has yanked its affiliation from WHAG (Hagerstown, MD), WMGM (Wildwood, NJ), and KENV (Elko, NV) because of signal overlap with WRC (Washington, D.C.), WCAU (Philadelphia, PA), and KSL (Salt Lake City, UT), respectively.
 
Washington DC and Baltimore are separate markets in spite of being 35 miles from each other, but back in the day whatever got blacked out in one market on the networks (2, 11, and 13 in Baltimore for example) could likely be seen in the other's (4, 7 and 9 in Washington DC) using good aerials.
 
Kemosabe said:
Within the past several years, NBC has yanked its affiliation from WHAG (Hagerstown, MD), WMGM (Wildwood, NJ), and KENV (Elko, NV) because of signal overlap with WRC (Washington, D.C.), WCAU (Philadelphia, PA), and KSL (Salt Lake City, UT), respectively.
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well in the first two cases it has to do with Comcast (O&O) owned NBC stations so they told the smaller affiliates they were not allowing them to renew NBC to their station when the current agreement ended.

And WHAG is now WDVM
 
FreddyE1977 said:
When I lived in southern Michigan, eons ago, my cable had:

3 Fox affiliates (Grand Rapids, Detroit, Toledo)
3 CBS affiliates (Lansing, Detroit, Toledo)
2 ABC affiliates (Battle Creek, Detroit)
3 NBC affiliates (Detroit, Toldeo, Jackson/Lansing)

I presume that since the Syndex rules came into being most of those are gone now.
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Back in the 70's my family made almost yearly trips to Grand Rapids to see my father's mother. I was only a teen, but noticed that it seemed the Grand Rapids stations were all coming from different towns. One was from GR, one from Battle Creek, one from Kalamazoo. I never really understood it back then, but it makes more sense today with the overlapping markets.
 
Ccook55 said:
Washington DC and Baltimore are separate markets in spite of being 35 miles from each other, but back in the day whatever got blacked out in one market on the networks (2, 11, and 13 in Baltimore for example) could likely be seen in the other's (4, 7 and 9 in Washington DC) using good aerials.
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I stayed in Rockville, Maryland at a hotel that had the full boat from both Washington and Baltimore. Circa 1989.
 
Seattle market has two separately owned PBS affiliates, both full power. KCTS Seattle and KBTC Tacoma. Kind of goes with the two full powered NPR affiliates, KUOW Seattle and KNKX Tacoma. Enough support in this corner of the world to easily support all of them.
 
seatownmedia said:
Back in the 70's my family made almost yearly trips to Grand Rapids to see my father's mother. I was only a teen, but noticed that it seemed the Grand Rapids stations were all coming from different towns. One was from GR, one from Battle Creek, one from Kalamazoo. I never really understood it back then, but it makes more sense today with the overlapping markets.
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Having lived in Michigan I can tell you that the broadcasters there all like to try and combine markets, since outside of Detroit the place is basically a scattering of medium sized cities.

When I lived in Flint the local stations all ID'd themselves as coming from "Bay City-Saginaw-Midland-Flint".
Move a bit west and you encounter "Jackson-Lansing-Battle Creek".

For a time when people asked where I lived I jokingly told them "In the mythical city of Baycitysaginawmidlandflint".
 
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KCET Los Angeles, KOCE Los Angeles, KLCS Los Angeles and KVCR Riverside/San Bernardino are PBS Affiliates for Southern California but are owned by different entities



KCET is now a PBS affiliate again and is now owned co-owned by PBS SoCal and are both primary PBS affiliates for Los Angeles and Palm Springs.

KLCS and KVCR are Secondary PBS affiliates in SOcal but are owned by Los Angeles Unified School District and San Bernardino Community College.
 
Many years ago Roanoke-Lynchburg VA had two ABC affiliates, one on Channel 13 and one on Channel 27. Channel 27 is now Fox, I believe.

Greenville-Spartanburg-Asheville NC/SC had WAIM, an affiliate of both ABC and CBS, in addition to the full-time WSPA (CBS) and WLOS (ABC). Now what was WAIM is My.

Motels in Myrtle Beach SC once had NBC from both Wilmington and Charleston (as well as Columbia), CBS from Florence and Charleston, and ABC from Wilmington and Charleston. Wilmington had no CBS, Florence no ABC or NBC (although Columbia's NBC probably covered them).

Myrtle Beach-Florence finally got NBC just in time for the digital era, and ABC long before that. Fox, WB and UPN came later. For some odd reason My is a subchannel and the UPN station is CW.
 
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