To be clear, the Waco-Temple-Bryan market is really two markets in one. The stations in Bryan-College Station can't be received in Waco-Temple-Killeen, and vice versa. None of the stations there want to split the market up because the BCS market would be about market 162 and the Waco-Temple-Killeen market would drop into the 100s.
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2 same tv affiliates in One Market
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To be clear, the Waco-Temple-Bryan market is really two markets in one. The stations in Bryan-College Station can't be received in Waco-Temple-Killeen, and vice versa. None of the stations there want to split the market up because the BCS market would be about market 162 and the Waco-Temple-Killeen market would drop into the 100s.
This used to be much more common.
Another example from the past is that in Western Washington there used to be CBS affiliates in Seattle (KIRO-TV) and Bellingham (KVOS-TV) -- but KVOS really served Vancouver, BC, as it's primary market, and it shuffled around the CBS schedule pretty drastically. Over time, the CBS programming steadily phased out until KVOS was pretty much an independent station.
And until the early eighties, Harrisburg/Lebanon/Lancaster/York, PA used to have *three* CBS affiliates -- WLYH-15 in Lebanon, WHP-21 in Harrisburg, and WSBA-43 in York. Hartford/New Haven, CT had two NBC affiliates -- WATR-20 in Waterbury and WHNB-30 (later WVIT) in New Britain/Hartford.
Another example from the past is that in Western Washington there used to be CBS affiliates in Seattle (KIRO-TV) and Bellingham (KVOS-TV) -- but KVOS really served Vancouver, BC, as it's primary market, and it shuffled around the CBS schedule pretty drastically. Over time, the CBS programming steadily phased out until KVOS was pretty much an independent station.
And until the early eighties, Harrisburg/Lebanon/Lancaster/York, PA used to have *three* CBS affiliates -- WLYH-15 in Lebanon, WHP-21 in Harrisburg, and WSBA-43 in York. Hartford/New Haven, CT had two NBC affiliates -- WATR-20 in Waterbury and WHNB-30 (later WVIT) in New Britain/Hartford.
From 1995 to 2010, the Greenville/Spartanburg SC/Asheville NC DMA had two CBS affiliates. The primary was WSPA/channel 7 in Spartanburg. The other was WNEG/channel 32 from Toccoa GA (now Me-TV outlet WGTA and reassigned to the Atlanta DMA) which was instated after WAGA/channel 5 in Atlanta switched to Fox in 1994 and northeast Georgia viewers couldn't get the new Atlanta CBS outlet WGNX/channel 46 (now WGCL) adequately.
I remembered this later. Florence's CBS station also aired ABC programs until the full-time ABC affiliate signed on.
would having 2 different markets overlap each other count, if so then consider this
the southern half of the Sherman/Denison, TX/Ada/Ardmore, OK and the norther half of the Dallas-Fort Worth market overlaps each other so for those counties (the counties that are on the Texas/Oklahoma state line)
NBC: KXAS 5 (DFW) and KTEN 10.1(SDTXAAOK)
CBS: KTVT 11 (DFW) and KXII 12.1 (SDTXAAOK)
ABC: WFAA 8 (DFW) and KTEN 10.3 (SDTXAAOK)
FOX: KDFW 4 (DFW) and KXII 12.2 (SDTXAAOK)
CW: KDAF 33 (DFW) and KTEN 10.2 (SDTXAAOK)
My Network TV: KDFI 27 (DFW) and KXII 12.2 (SDTXAAOK)
Ion: KPXD 68 (DFW) and KXII 12.4 (SDTXAAOK)
all of those affiliated stations except 2 in Sherman/Denison, TX/Ada/Ardmore, OK market are on the subchannel while the 2 others are the main channels of those stations.
the southern half of the Sherman/Denison, TX/Ada/Ardmore, OK and the norther half of the Dallas-Fort Worth market overlaps each other so for those counties (the counties that are on the Texas/Oklahoma state line)
NBC: KXAS 5 (DFW) and KTEN 10.1(SDTXAAOK)
CBS: KTVT 11 (DFW) and KXII 12.1 (SDTXAAOK)
ABC: WFAA 8 (DFW) and KTEN 10.3 (SDTXAAOK)
FOX: KDFW 4 (DFW) and KXII 12.2 (SDTXAAOK)
CW: KDAF 33 (DFW) and KTEN 10.2 (SDTXAAOK)
My Network TV: KDFI 27 (DFW) and KXII 12.2 (SDTXAAOK)
Ion: KPXD 68 (DFW) and KXII 12.4 (SDTXAAOK)
all of those affiliated stations except 2 in Sherman/Denison, TX/Ada/Ardmore, OK market are on the subchannel while the 2 others are the main channels of those stations.
Adelphia Cable now Comcast did put WNDU NBC WSBT CBS from South Bend and WSYM Fox47 in Lansing all got rid of in Jan 2000. Comcast added WZZM in Jan 2006 I read an article on that Comcast is just in a small part mainly on the West Side of Kazoo in the older neighborhoods otherwise Charter Spectrum is the big cable company in Kazoo when it was Cablevision always had WZZM. Kinda surprised that ABC is fine that they have 2 ABC stations in the same market surprised they haven't yanked one of them.
I was born i Triadelphia, WV and spent my first 18 years watching TV there from the 60's to 1980.
Then you no doubt remember those awful "Mr. Cost Plus" ads for that car dealership which
ran on WSTV/WTOV. Those were worth tuning in for.
Keep in mind that Yakima and Tri Cities (Richmond-Kennewick) are considered separate markets. "Central Washington", isn't a market.
Separate 'but equal'. Come on over here to Ellensburg and watch news pertaining to Kennewick and Pasco. In 'Yakima' DMA. Who in this area cares about who won the Kamiakin HS basketball game? I don't.
Yeah, Mariano Morales may sell local ads for the Yakima side of the simulcast, but besides one hour of poor-quality local news on weeknights (at KIMA...ahem, about 4-5 minutes of local news and the rest is Sinclair crap, weather PRE-TAPED in Pasco, or KOMO-fed stuff), you wouldn't even know separate Yakima stations existed. Even KAPP now has both them and KVEW in the TOH IDs, and Mariano's ads have ran on KVEW's feed, even though a Kennewick car accident victim likely won't call this Yakima lawyer.
Which is why I said in the 2020 TV prediction thread, that I predict Yakima will be the next U.S. city with no local news department. I'm sure Sinclair wants to shut down KIMA sooner than later, and either lay off reporters or transfer them to KEPR. The only good thing about KIMA's news, is Alan Sillence's sports segment. He does a wonderful job highlighting local HS sports, even those in Ellensburg and Kittitas. Often he'll show up at signing days for colleges, and just about any HS sport whether it's football/basketball, or even bowling/swim & dive/softball. Whenever he hangs it up is probably when KIMA's news department vanishes for good.
Yakima/Tri-Cities is the DMA market. Currently ranked #119.
https://www.truckads.com/Designated-Market/Yakima-Pasco-Richland-Kennewick.htm
https://www.truckads.com/Designated-Market/Yakima-Pasco-Richland-Kennewick.htm
I stand corrected. It used to be that they were considered separate. In fact, I see (from a different ranking site) that YPRK moved up to Market 118. Frankly, doesn't say much for other markets below 118. Yikes!
It's no wonder the station owners won't program the stations with separate newscasts. Too costly for a single market, with ever-decreasing revenue out of the merged market. Won't be long before they start using news out of Spokane or Seattle on those stations.
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WXBU-TV is the former WLYH-TV channel 15 of Lancaster, PA. WPMT-TV (FOX) channel 43 of York, PA was also a CBS affiliate once.
WCCT-TV (CW) channel 20 of Waterbury, CT was NBC affiliate WATR-TV until early 1982. That was due to a weaker signal from WVIT-TV (NBC) channel 30 of New Britain not covering the whole market. They increased their signal in 1978, largely making WATR-TV redundant. It helped during football season, as the Jets would often air on channel 20 and the Patriots would air on channel 30 (back when NBC had the AFC conference package).
Sounds like me and the cable for Arlington, VA. It was August 1989. I was on an escorted weekend trip to Washington DC with my brother. We stayed at a hotel in the Rosslyn section by the Key Bridge. The "Big 4" and Maryland Public Television from either Annapolis or Baltimore were on the system. I know that WWOR-TV was also there, as they aired the Mets vs Padres game that given Friday night. I was flipping back and forth with David Letterman's NBC program on channel 4 of Washington and then-NBC channel 2 of Baltimore.
You have to take in account size of the market. For instance, the Nebraska example mentioned needs the two stations to cover all the main cities of the market.
So those two stations existing will never go away.
And I see Grand Island/Hastings/Kearney being listed as their own market, so not quite sure what you mean with this example. KHGI's grade B contour does not reach Lincoln.
I have not thought about those for 30+ years.
No prob, Kelly. I know you are familiar with the thread in the Washington State TV section. It is really dismal over here, but still some bright lights with good effort and some rising stars who you just know are waiting for that big break. Tri-Cities has always had very beautiful (and skilled) anchors, both male and female, that are just here for the next step. Welcome to how it works in TV today! (I guess it always has). But as a veteran of major market (s), I find the errors comedic. But they have to learn somewhere I guess.
FreddieE1977 wrote...
When I lived in southern Michigan, eons ago, my cable had:
3 Fox affiliates (Grand Rapids, Detroit, Toledo)
3 CBS affiliates (Lansing, Detroit, Toledo)
2 ABC affiliates (Battle Creek, Detroit)
3 NBC affiliates (Detroit, Toldeo, Jackson/Lansing)
I presume that since the Syndex rules came into being most of those are gone now.
I also remember visiting friends in Jackson, in So. Mich, in the 1990s. They got the four major networks from...
Lansing
Battle Creek-Kalamazoo
Detroit
There were also a couple of independents from Detroit, PBS from both Detroit and Lansing, WGN-TV Chicago and CKLW-TV or was it CBET from Windsor, Ont.
The cable company made sure the local Lansing channels were in the 2-13 range. The Battle Creek-Kalamazoo stations and Detroit stations were up in the 60s, 70s and 80s. So they were there if you wanted them. But if you just tuned between 2 and 13, you'd get Lansing stations. Maybe CKLW/CBET was at its real Channel 9. In those days, it would not run any U.S. shows, even if the rest of the CBC Network were carrying them, because it was so widely seen in Michigan and Ohio.
When I lived in southern Michigan, eons ago, my cable had:
3 Fox affiliates (Grand Rapids, Detroit, Toledo)
3 CBS affiliates (Lansing, Detroit, Toledo)
2 ABC affiliates (Battle Creek, Detroit)
3 NBC affiliates (Detroit, Toldeo, Jackson/Lansing)
I presume that since the Syndex rules came into being most of those are gone now.
I also remember visiting friends in Jackson, in So. Mich, in the 1990s. They got the four major networks from...
Lansing
Battle Creek-Kalamazoo
Detroit
There were also a couple of independents from Detroit, PBS from both Detroit and Lansing, WGN-TV Chicago and CKLW-TV or was it CBET from Windsor, Ont.
The cable company made sure the local Lansing channels were in the 2-13 range. The Battle Creek-Kalamazoo stations and Detroit stations were up in the 60s, 70s and 80s. So they were there if you wanted them. But if you just tuned between 2 and 13, you'd get Lansing stations. Maybe CKLW/CBET was at its real Channel 9. In those days, it would not run any U.S. shows, even if the rest of the CBC Network were carrying them, because it was so widely seen in Michigan and Ohio.
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